Young Earth/Old Earth

[GeneZ]

Only if Genesis 1 was meant to teach modern science, which it's clearly not (See, "Scientific Concordism vs Divine Accommodation").

What does Genesis teach that contradicts modern science?

 

[TB2]

Genesis 1, written in narrative form, is meant to be believed. If you don't believe it, then why keep it?

I do believe it, wholeheartedly. Genesis 1 is also not strict narrative but combines poetry and prose

 

[TB2]

What does Genesis teach that contradicts modern science?

See, "Scientific Concordism vs Divine Accommodation"

 

[GeneZ]

I do believe it, wholeheartedly. Genesis 1 is also not strict narrative but combines poetry and prose

That's your rationalization.....

The archaic King James may make it look like poetry in a way.
But, its far from poetry.

Example:

The King James here: Isaiah 64:6

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;
and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

It sounds so poetic and Shakespearean.

But, In reality?

Those "filthy rags" in the Hebrew actually speaks of dirty menstrual rags.

 

[David1701]

I do believe it, wholeheartedly. Genesis 1 is also not strict narrative but combines poetry and prose

I've expanded my previous post; but I'll just say here that Gen. 1 is not written in poetic style, but in "This happened, then that happened.", matter-of-fact style.

 

[TB2]

That's your rationalization.....

The archaic King James may make it look like poetry in a way.
But, its far from poetry.

Example:

The King James here: Isaiah 64:6

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;
and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

It sounds so poetic and Shakespearean.

But, In reality?

Those "filthy rags" in the Hebrew actually speaks of dirty menstrual rags.

Not rationalization. Fact that hardly needs to be pointed out. Note for example, the parallelism, the hallmark of Hebrew poetry. The repetitive formulaic "And God said...and there was," and "there was evening and morning day x" It's arranged like a series of stanzas. It is not strict poetry like the Psalms but nor is it strict narrative prose like Joshua. It is a unique genre that's been referred to as "exalted prose" that is a combination of poetry and prose.

Marlowe, W. Creighton. "Patterns, parallels, and poetics in Genesis 1." The Journal of Inductive Biblical Studies 3.1 (2016): 3.

 

[GeneZ]

See, "Scientific Concordism vs Divine Accommodation"

Come one shy boy. Cite something with your own words somethings that contradict Genesis.

I have no idea why you keep doing that. Can you think for yourself?

What does Genesis teach that contradicts modern science?

I want to know that you can think...

Certainly you must be able to tell me a few things without hiding behind the skirt of that link you keep trying to use.


...................... What does Genesis teach that contradicts modern science?


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[GeneZ]

Not rationalization. Fact that hardly needs to be pointed out. Note for example, the parallelism, the hallmark of Hebrew poetry. The repetitive formulaic "And God said...and there was," and "there was evening and morning day x" It's arranged like a series of stanzas. It is not strict poetry like the Psalms but nor is it strict narrative prose like Joshua. It is a unique genre that's been referred to as "exalted prose."

Marlowe, W. Creighton. "Patterns, parallels, and poetics in Genesis 1." The Journal of Inductive Biblical Studies 3.1 (2016): 3.

While stating truth!

The Torah was written for public reading to hold the interest of the people listening.
It was not written to be a collection of some dry reference material.

Sure! Its has some flair in its wording. But unlike poetry?
Its not fiction and fanciful.

That is where those who find the Bible gets in the way of what they want people to think, fail to see why the Bible was written that way.

grace and peace .................

 

[TB2]

Genesis 1, written in narrative form, is meant to be believed. If you don't believe it, then why keep it?

Edit: having read some of the linked post, I'd like to add that Scientific Concordism, which I believe, and Divine Accommodation are not mutually exclusive. You can explain scientific facts in simple language, to youngsters, without giving much detail.

True, but it still ultimately has to be "dumbed down" (don't know if you got that far in the post on that where I give an example and how even trying to "update" Genesis to modern science like with light reflection of the sun off the moon would still require us "dumbing down" to statements that are technically scientifically inaccurate"

 

[TB2]

Come one shy boy. Cite something with your own words somethings that contradict Genesis.

The link I gave you was written by me (!). Look at the third post in that thread for an example I give

 

[TB2]

While stating truth!

The Torah was written for public reading to hold the interest of the people listening.
It was not written to be a collection of some dry reference material.

Sure! Its has some flair in its wording. But unlike poetry?
Its not fiction and fanciful.

That is where those who find the Bible gets in the way of what they want people to think, fail to see why the Bible was written that way.

grace and peace .................

Your mistake is in assuming that poetry = fiction when poetry can be about literal historical events

 

[GeneZ]

The link I gave you was written by me (!). Look at the third post in that thread for an example I give

Then you should be even more able to cite some examples!

Stop being a hypocrite in that case.

Give examples.

 

[TB2]

Then you should be even more able to cite some examples!

Stop being a hypocrite in that case.

Give examples.

GO TO THE LINK I GAVE YOU! (And this example I already discussed extensively on this thread about three pages back!)

 

[GeneZ]

Your mistake is in assuming that poetry = fiction when poetry can be about literal historical events

I am not making that mistake.

Those who wish what the Bible states would just go away, claim its not to be authoritative because its written somewhat to look like prose.

The national anthem.. "The Star Spangled Banner" was written as prose.

Here is what it covered....

 

[TB2]

Those who wish what the Bible states would just go away, claim its not to be authoritative because its written somewhat to look like prose.

Well then you have nothing to worry about since I don't wish what the Bible states to go away. Indeed, I think we need to teach more accurately what it actually says instead of trying to avoid it

 

[Sereni-tea]

You can deduct that because of what it says here...

“How you have fallen from heaven,​

O star of the morning, son of the dawn!​

You have been cut down to the earth,​

You who have weakened the nations!​

Prophesy goes back in time, as well as the future.
Prophets could report on what was prehistoric to the hearers.

If you don't think so? Look ate Genesis One. Moses was there?

I don't have a problem with this.

The concept of nations did not begin with our creation....

At the fall of Adam Satan became the prince of our world.
He took right over like it was something he knew how it was to be done.

But I do have a problem with this. This is a giant leap in your reasoning which I don't think is supported by Scripture. The nations in the verse are human nations.

 

[TB2]

I looked at the link. It was unfair to assume it was an appropriate answer for 99% of the people here.
No one is qualified to see when its wrong.

That's fair. It's an extremely complex topic and difficult to find simplified treatments. Here's an article by the same author that tries to simplify the topic: "Evolution without Accidents"

 

[GeneZ]

But I do have a problem with this. This is a giant leap in your reasoning which I don't think is supported by Scripture. The nations in the verse are human nations.

Jeremiah in the spirit of prophesy took the Jews back to the prehistoric world at a time that it was being destroyed.

Note: The Hebrew word used for "people" was a generic term which could also be termed "humanoid.'
Neanderthal perhaps... is what it was referring to.
I got that info from Professor Stan Ashby (Harvard) who after retirement taught Ancient Languages at a Bible college I attended.

Jeremiah was prophesying to the rebellious Jews about an example of the type of judgment they were to face, a world that was utterly destroyed and ceased to exist, as seen in Jeremiah 4: 22-27

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“My people are fools;​

they do not know me.​

They are senseless children;​

they have no understanding.​

They are skilled in doing evil;​

they know not how to do good.” ​

23 I looked at the earth,​

and it was formless and empty; (ruined and wasteland) Genesis 1:2​

and at the heavens,​

and their light was gone.​

24 I looked at the mountains,​

and they were quaking;​

all the hills were swaying.​

25 I looked, and there were no people;​

every bird in the sky had flown away.​

26 I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;​

all its towns lay in ruins​

before the Lord, before his fierce anger.​

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27 This is what the Lord says: (to the Jews)​

“The whole land will be ruined,​

though I will not destroy it completely.​

Jeremiah prophesied destruction to the Jews while looking back to the final judgement
of the prehistoric world as an example of how God can destroy what He judges.

That world had humanoids which were most likely the highest form of intelligence in the animal creation.
They formed cities like we see animals forming into their own habitats.
Bees have hives... Ants have underground tunneling and chambers. And, the ancient type of man instinctively formed their own habitats.

Those Jews hearing Jeremiah were about to be destroyed. They did not have some scientific agenda
to deal with and defend such as evolution. They just accepted what Jeremiah said as it being so.


Those "humanoids" referred to as people.... were most likely what we find the remains of and categorize them as "cavemen."

They were not created in God's image like we have been. For they were generic humanoid beings.
They were the forerunner of what God was to later bring after destroying them all in the universal flood we see in Genesis One.

 

[GeneZ]

That's fair. It's an extremely complex topic and difficult to find simplified treatments. Here's an article by the same author that tries to simplify the topic: "Evolution without Accidents"

It was reasoned out to fit a desired outcome.

I did not read much after I sensed there was a need to prove an agenda's perspective.

Evolution happens as a natural part of how God designed living creatures.
Its the exploitation of this natural occurring part of our nature as to establish an alter reality
to make it seem real, that the Bible protects us from.

 

[EarlyActs]

Please post the reference/citation so I can see what you're referring to

I was there in Eugene about 2005 when the mastodon was just found. The maps were ones you show of Missoula breaches go to NE WA. Looking for an article on Autzen.