Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

[Mr GLee]

Last days tribulation and joys

Kings in Israel.


I would offer. . first .Not all Israel is born again Israel. Some remained under Jacob the deceiver (natural unredeemed dying mankind) no power not yoked with Emanuel

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Kings in Israel replacing apostles, sent with prophecy called Judges = ( "one qualified to pronounce opinion.") .Male and female prophets Abraham, Rehab, Samuel ,Deborah, Abel, Ruth etc .

1 Samuel 1 :8 The athiest Jews called fools. . no belief in a invisible God. . . . .became jealousy of the surroundings pagan nations (out of sight out of mind ideology) The lord said to his apostle Samuel its not you they reject as King of the universe but me. . . King of earthy kings, Lord of earthly lords, Father of earthly fathers.

Our father gave them over until the time of the first century reformation (vail rent. )Revealing the promise of Joel. . men and woman prophets as judges preaching the gospel from all the nations

Acts 2:16-17King James Version16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Kings in Israel no women prophets. Men only club, two high walls of separation. The gospel destroyed the walls. . believer's in mixed families' and relatives could now gather together as one new nation of nations Christian.. . teaching he is not a racist .

A time of great tribulation . for the outward Jew that was trusting his dying flesh and not the invisible work of the Spirit of Christ that alone can profit a great tribulation one like never before or ever again. . . still working out it effects daily .

A great Joy for the believing inward Jew (believing Israel) and gentiles one new family of Christ's nations one like never before or ever again. . . still working out it effects the daily bread

 

[3 Resurrections]

The destruction did happen in the 70 weeks. The last week is unusual; it lasts a generation.

Scripture doesn't ever have any examples of "elastic" time periods in prophecy. This type of interpretive method opens the door for anybody to make the prophecy period of 490 years mean whatever they want it to. The last 7 years of the 70th week were the time when God was giving "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" a final chance to get on board with the New Covenant ("To the Jew first, but also to the Greek"). A small "remnant" of ethnic Jews did believe. But when the majority of the Jews continued to reject it and their leadership launched a persecution against the early church beginning the very day of Stephen's martyrdom, God gave Israel until AD 37 when He officially gave Paul his commission to "depart" from Jerusalem and go "far hence unto the Gentiles" (Acts 22:17-21).

Let's try this: do you think that 9:26,27 are a compact statement of 1st century Judean history?

Yes, those Dan. 9:26-27 verses do form a sort of abbreviated version of first-century Judean history. But that doesn't require that the actual fulfillment of all those predicted events would fit within the 490-year time limitation. We have to go with the stipulated list of six things that Daniel 9:24 said were to be accomplished by the time the 490 years was up. None of those six things included the final desolations of the desolations of the war against the city of Jerusalem and its temple - just the giving of the prophecy and visions that predicted those events before-hand. Those prophecies and visions were then "sealed up" by the end of the 490-year timespan as an assurance that they would definitely be fulfilled later on (which was in the AD 66-70 period).

 

[EarlyActs]

Scripture doesn't ever have any examples of "elastic" time periods in prophecy. This type of interpretive method opens the door for anybody to make the prophecy period of 490 years mean whatever they want it to. The last 7 years of the 70th week were the time when God was giving "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" a final chance to get on board with the New Covenant ("To the Jew first, but also to the Greek"). A small "remnant" of ethnic Jews did believe. But when the majority of the Jews continued to reject it and their leadership launched a persecution against the early church beginning the very day of Stephen's martyrdom, God gave Israel until AD 37 when He officially gave Paul his commission to "depart" from Jerusalem and go "far hence unto the Gentiles" (Acts 22:17-21).

Yes, those Dan. 9:26-27 verses do form a sort of abbreviated version of first-century Judean history. But that doesn't require that the actual fulfillment of all those predicted events would fit within the 490-year time limitation. We have to go with the stipulated list of six things that Daniel 9:24 said were to be accomplished by the time the 490 years was up. None of those six things included the final desolations of the desolations of the war against the city of Jerusalem and its temple - just the giving of the prophecy and visions that predicted those events before-hand. Those prophecies and visions were then "sealed up" by the end of the 490-year timespan as an assurance that they would definitely be fulfilled later on (which was in the AD 66-70 period).

A day is as a thousand years. That was said to illustrate God’s grace. Likewise regarding the serious issues of that decisive generation, I can completely understand God appealing to them for a generation.

 

[EarlyActs]

Scripture doesn't ever have any examples of "elastic" time periods in prophecy. This type of interpretive method opens the door for anybody to make the prophecy period of 490 years mean whatever they want it to. The last 7 years of the 70th week were the time when God was giving "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" a final chance to get on board with the New Covenant ("To the Jew first, but also to the Greek"). A small "remnant" of ethnic Jews did believe. But when the majority of the Jews continued to reject it and their leadership launched a persecution against the early church beginning the very day of Stephen's martyrdom, God gave Israel until AD 37 when He officially gave Paul his commission to "depart" from Jerusalem and go "far hence unto the Gentiles" (Acts 22:17-21).

Yes, those Dan. 9:26-27 verses do form a sort of abbreviated version of first-century Judean history. But that doesn't require that the actual fulfillment of all those predicted events would fit within the 490-year time limitation. We have to go with the stipulated list of six things that Daniel 9:24 said were to be accomplished by the time the 490 years was up. None of those six things included the final desolations of the desolations of the war against the city of Jerusalem and its temple - just the giving of the prophecy and visions that predicted those events before-hand. Those prophecies and visions were then "sealed up" by the end of the 490-year timespan as an assurance that they would definitely be fulfilled later on (which was in the AD 66-70 period).

You are right about 37 but that does not match the events of Dan 9:27.

 

[EarlyActs]

Scripture doesn't ever have any examples of "elastic" time periods in prophecy. This type of interpretive method opens the door for anybody to make the prophecy period of 490 years mean whatever they want it to. The last 7 years of the 70th week were the time when God was giving "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" a final chance to get on board with the New Covenant ("To the Jew first, but also to the Greek"). A small "remnant" of ethnic Jews did believe. But when the majority of the Jews continued to reject it and their leadership launched a persecution against the early church beginning the very day of Stephen's martyrdom, God gave Israel until AD 37 when He officially gave Paul his commission to "depart" from Jerusalem and go "far hence unto the Gentiles" (Acts 22:17-21).

Yes, those Dan. 9:26-27 verses do form a sort of abbreviated version of first-century Judean history. But that doesn't require that the actual fulfillment of all those predicted events would fit within the 490-year time limitation. We have to go with the stipulated list of six things that Daniel 9:24 said were to be accomplished by the time the 490 years was up. None of those six things included the final desolations of the desolations of the war against the city of Jerusalem and its temple - just the giving of the prophecy and visions that predicted those events before-hand. Those prophecies and visions were then "sealed up" by the end of the 490-year timespan as an assurance that they would definitely be fulfilled later on (which was in the AD 66-70 period).

The list of 6 things is found confirmed (accomplished) in Christ not Israel.

Knowing the raw warning of Acts 3 , I can imagine why the prediction would be sealed up. Also Mt 21-24 each have vivid warnings of the destruction. Not very sealed up! Luke is loaded with prefigurative warning. I would say no sealing up at all; brute and repeated confirmation instead!

I can’t write out my book every visit to the forum; hope you will get it.

 

[EarlyActs]

Another highly unspecific feature of the end of things is Mk 13 and the 4 options of the return. It is meant to say any old time, if a day represents all time after Christ.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again EarlyActs,

In Acts 3, he does not leave the present when speaking of the restoration and the refreshing- ............................That is why it is an imperative kingdom, not future. But we knew from Dan 2 that it was present,

The times of refreshing and restoration will be at a time when Jesus is no longer in heaven Acts 3:19-21.
The Kingdom of God will replace the present kingdoms of men when Jesus returns from heaven Daniel 2:44.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[3 Resurrections]

The list of 6 things is found confirmed (accomplished) in Christ not Israel.

ABSOLUTELY. Christ came unto His own, and His own "received Him not", in spite of Christ fulfilling every one of those 6 predictions in Daniel 9:24. Christ said he was sent "to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". The gospel announcing the fulfillment of all six of those predictions was FIRST offered to the Jews, up until AD 37 when the focus switched to include all the Gentile nations of the world.

Knowing the raw warning of Acts 3 , I can imagine why the prediction would be sealed up. Also Mt 21-24 each have vivid warnings of the destruction. Not very sealed up! Luke is loaded with prefigurative warning. I would say no sealing up at all; brute and repeated confirmation instead!

You're right, as of Matthew 21-24 and Luke's predictions, all of that "vision and prophecy" being given by Christ wasn't quite "sealed up" in reserve yet at that point, since AD 37's end of the 70th week with its evangelistic emphasis switching focus to the Gentile nations of the world had not quite arrived. The "days of vengeance" being fulfilled in AD 66-70 was merely a playing out of the earlier "sealed up" visions and prophecies, many of which Christ had given in the gospel accounts, before the cut-off point at the end of the 70th week had arrived in AD 37.

You are right about 37 but that does not match the events of Dan 9:27.

It doesn't have to match ALL of the events of Daniel 9:27. By the Jews' rejection of the 6 terms accomplished by Christ's actions within the 70 weeks, they had unfortunately set their nation on an inevitable course destined for its own final destruction not far down the road after the 70th week had ended in AD 37.

 

[Mr GLee]

A day is as a thousand years. That was said to illustrate God’s grace. Likewise regarding the serious issues of that decisive generation, I can completely understand God appealing to them for a generation.

Thanks

I would offer..

Exactly as a thousand not literally is a thousand years .

The figurative signified tongue of our Holy Father

The key as , or twice told ..they signal a parable the figurative tongue is in efect working in prophecy. Revealing the mysteries of faith The unseen eternal things of Christ

The first three times used sets the rule of interpretation (thee denotes the end of a matter).

I would think it does not become literal in the last chapter (Revelation) The one with the must metaphors used in parables. . a summary of all beginning with Genesis.

Psalm 90:4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day

God desires we walk our hear his understand by faith the unseen eternal things of our invisible God .

Satan the seed snatcher is still king of lying signs to wonder after. . . as if they were prohecy , without a spiritual understanding .

Wonder. . .wonder . . .wonder. . .marvel . .wonder . . . . . . . . . limbo

The word "thousand" as a metaphor is used that way as to whatever is in view not just time .Many hundreds of examples are given .

Psalm 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.(hidden)

Song of Solomon 4:4Thy neck is like the tower of David builded for an armoury, whereon there hang a thousand bucklers, all shields (Hidden ) not literal thousand

Psalm 84:10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.

 

[EarlyActs]

Greetings again EarlyActs,

The times of refreshing and restoration will be at a time when Jesus is no longer in heaven Acts 3:19-21.
The Kingdom of God will replace the present kingdoms of men when Jesus returns from heaven Daniel 2:44.

Kind regards
Trevor

He offered the times of refreshing to them if they gone out and evangelized.

The location thing doesn’t matter. The imperative factor matters. It is the kingdom that should be practiced, which of course is now. It is imperative. People’s refusal does not affect this, it only affects the news.

The kingdom longed for in Dan 2 arrived. It humiliates human rulers bc Christ is above them. On Cromwell’s tomb is inscribed:
CHRIST, NOT MAN , IS KING.

 

[EarlyActs]

If you find a Greek commentary that “this” is something other than the expected Davidic kingdom, let me know. Knowing of it, Peter spoke of the resurrection.

The heavily notated TEV explains that “this” is either an antecedent of means (the resurrection was how the kingdom arrive) or of attendant circumstance (the resurrection would take place as the kingdom came).

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 2 - New English Translation

The Holy Spirit and the Day of Pentecost - Now when the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like a violent wind blowing came from heaven and filled the entire house where they were sitting. And tongues spreading out like a fire appeared to them and...

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[Mr GLee]

Greetings again EarlyActs,

The times of refreshing and restoration will be at a time when Jesus is no longer in heaven Acts 3:19-21.
The Kingdom of God will replace the present kingdoms of men when Jesus returns from heaven Daniel 2:44.

Kind regards
Trevor

The mystery word faith as a labor of love (Christ's) . It must be interpreted as to who it comes from as it is written . (sola scriptura)

From the fall. Surely you will not die look at my beauty (creation) and live forever.

It is still the goal of Satan the father of lies to deceive dying mankind that God is a creation a Jewish man as King of kings.

God is not a man. to believe he is brings on the wrath of God our invisible Holy Father .(Romans 1;18-25 )

Christ is here working in the heart of his children of faith (the unseen eternal power of our invisible God

Christ the Creator our husband is not coming a second time . . he never left .

The three days and night propmised "demonstration" of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world .The six days the Spirit of Christ our husband did work in man dying mankind to both reveal His will and empower dying mankind under a curse to to it to His good pleasure

Again a "demonstration" is not the actual invisible work of the Spirit of Christ pouring out his Spirt of dying mankind.

 

[Mr GLee]

Not a salvation issue .

Can't change the simplicity of the gospel of light . God as Christ. The one good teaching master is not served by hands as a will dying mankind. He lovingly moves us

His Spirit I beleive faithfully works in us through his living word. Yoked with Him our daily burden can be lighter with a living hope beyond the grave and sufferings of this corrupted dying world .

I would think more of how can we hear him more clearly as a living, abiding word two walking in agreement ..

The gospel hid from dying mankind, Revealed by "let there be glorious light" .

Demonstrate = figuratively (used 37 times)

The figurative tongue of Christ using the figure of created temporal dying things seen in order to show or demonstrate his living labor of his love, Which he calls a work of his powerful faith (Let there faithfulness and it was good)

In that way without the signified tongue of prophecy. Christ spoke not .

He gives us a valuable tool needed to rightly divide the word so that we can seek his signified demonstrated approval (2 Timothy 2:15)

2 Corinthians 4:18King James Version18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen (visible) are temporal; but the things which are not seen(invisible) are eternal.

He used his figurative language or tongue to introduce himself to the show. "Let there be lights, camera, action" and "it was very God alone good."

God, who is Light, and not that he could not only create, said "let there be light" (the presence of God) and there was . . .until day four switching on the temporal time keeper under the Sun, winding down to the last day.

In the new heavens and earth he will again be the light of the whole world. Never again night . . .darkness.

1 Corinthians 2:3-5King James VersionAnd I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your (new born again belief) faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Lamb slain , names written from the foundation the six days the invisible Holy Father did work .

He give us little of that living power (faith) calling his children “ye of little faith” Without him we have no faith,( belief) that could please the Father the inssible head Charst .

We are his good masterpiece of his faithful will . . . the and "it was God alone good". Put on His armor and like he informs keep it on as long as possible.

I would think write “ye of little faith” on the forehead, memory) . Or get a tattoo which my lovely wife of little faith forbids LOL

 

[TMSO]

Re ges
The context is not necessarily the whole world. You will find that the heavy Judaic symbolism is especially poignant to Jews at that time. Neighboring nations will matter but it is perfectly fair to say it is quite absorbed in that generation.

True, the Jews would think locally, and through the eyes of man. Jesus isn't talking through the eyes of man, but of God. The section is of the sermon on the mount is the beatitudes. (See below quote). Once again, interpretation of the word is based on the context of what is written/said, not what is in the mind of the people.

For a similar case, compare Mt 5 about inheriting the ges. Rather than universal, he means that followers who do not take the hostile stance against Rome may be able to dwell in Israel in that generation without trouble. But the hostility actually increased and the land was scorched. Notice instructions in Mt 5-7 to help Roman soldiers etc.

This is the issue with your method of interpretation. I think you can understand when I say that "blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied" is universal and eternal. The teaching is down right spiritual. If we hunger and thirst for righteousness, truly and whole heartedly, we will find our full satisfaction in Christ, the bread and water of life. As such, this is the metric for interpreting the passage. Universal, eternal, and from the viewpoint of God. Those who are gentle will inherit the Earth. They will fill, takeover the Earth. Something will happen to everyone else. Those who are not gentle, those who are not meek. For those who are gentle and meek, in the end, the Earth is their inheritance. For the poor in spirit, theirs in the kingdom of heaven. That is, salvation is theirs/will be theirs, and with it, the kingdom of heaven.

You have to remember that Jesus came with lessons of the spirit. Spiritual teaching. Imagine those who interpret as you did above, seeing that, while they have not taken a hostile stance against Rome, well, the land is gone. Nothing to inherit. Jesus lied, right? No. The interpretation was wrong, so the conclusion did not follow.

When the flood analogy is made in 7 about all that was taught in 5-7, he was prob referring to Dan 9’s ‘the end will come like a flood.’ Those despising his teaching would be crushed. Those keeping his word would be saved. Dan 9 is hauntingly specific about the 1st century destruction.

Here, it is not a flood analogy. The analogy is the person building the house. The house is their life. The rock is Christ. If you build your life and all you are on Christ, it doesn't matter what happens in the world, you will weather the storm. If you don't build your life on Christ, on the rock, then the storms of life will eventually, if not immediately, bring about the collapse of your life. And great will be the fall.

Jesus is speaking of people. "24 “Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine, and [t]acts on them, will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell and the [u]floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does not [v]act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand."

If you listen and act on what Jesus taught, you will stand tall through all that comes. No storm of life will knock you down. If you do not act and follow Jesus words, you are like a fool, and life will destroy you. Don't read into it too much. This section of the sermon on the mount is the beatitudes. That is, this is the attitude you should/must have, and here will be the result of being/having these attitudes.

 

[Mr GLee]

True, the Jews would think locally, and through the eyes of man. Jesus isn't talking through the eyes of man, but of God. The section is of the sermon on the mount is the beatitudes. (See below quote). Once again, interpretation of the word is based on the context of what is written/said, not what is in the mind of the people.

Yes no sign were given to wonder, wonder ,wonder after .

When the Son of man Jesus walked out of the abomination of desolation ( Temples built with the dying hands as a will of corruptible mankind. The Father Christ gave words to His prophet and apostle Jesus . The Father declared "it is desolate" (the mark of his wood what he says comes to pass. Not will when few stones fall, a wondering crying section remains today .

As a sign he walked out and never entered. . . continuing in that parable figurative tongue he moved the conversation in a twinkling of the eye set on the high mountain to represent all the kingdoms of men of this world. . under the god of this world .

Its fulfilment will come on the last day under the Sun. The kingdoms or sects, tribes as denominations of men become the one Christian Kingdom in the new heavens and earth the Enthroned King of kings

Revelation 11:15 kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever