Even a Calvinist should know and understand that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross was retroactive to all who went before. He paid the price for the sins of the world, both before and after the cross.
I guess your children were advanced quite beyond mine. My two boys didn't speak at all for several months, let alone speak lies from birth.I think we must be careful how we hear what we say we do .Satan is quick to snatch the gospel seed so it can puff up the flesh (the temporal
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Who or what is it that made your heart soft ?
Why does God called the unborn liars? He calls there lies like the poison attributed to false prophecy;
Who can soften a Babies'' heart even in the womb?
Psalm 58:2-4King James Version2 Yea, The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
It would seem the entire problem is that sinners have no understanding of sin or how to make salvation possible.
There are literally books on human nature. We tend to want what we want. Unfortunately, that doesn't change instantaneously with regeneration.
What do you think Romans chapter 1-4 and the first part of 5 are saying and why do you think Paul said all those things before he said what he did in these passages? Romans is a letter. It reads as a consistent in thought and purpose letter. Not separate isolated parts, unless he announces that he is changing the subject to address a different aspect of his purpose in writing the letter. But all the "therefores" are direct conclusions what what was said previously.
It is about how we are born in this world---in Adam---with Adam's sin being imputed to us, meaning we are a created being that is a sinner, and that is why we sin. Look at what Paul says in verse 11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Followed by 12 Therefore , just as sin came into the world through one man---
Romans is a letter. Ignore the chapters and verse numbers, and if you can get your preconceived notion of what those isolated verses mean in 5, see if you can come up with a better interpretation.
How exactly does that say that on the cross Jesus removed Adam's sin from everyone and we start over when we are born only being punished for our own sins after we sin? (And considering that we commit our first rebellion against God at a very early age, though it will manifest as rebellion against parents or tantrums for not getting our own way, or mistreating people or animals etc. when does God begin seeing our sins as sin. Age 3? 7? 10? 13? 21?
When did I say that the unelect are unable to not be disobedient? Do you mean the unregenerate are unable to be always obedient? When did I say that every single act, every thought of the unregenerate is disobedience? They are perfectly capable of doing things that agree with God. "Good" things. But don't forget it is God who says that even our righteous deeds are as filthy rags to Him. Why do you suppose that is? Because in Adam we are a sinner. Even our righteous deeds are for the wrong reason, and that reason being that they are purely self oriented, not God oriented. We do them because we have a desire that they will satisfy.
Uhhhh----yes it does. As you say we are still human, still in Adam in that respect.
To israel in respect to all the nations . Christian is the new name the father named his bride
Retroactive? Or was He there all along? You do indeed have a retroactive atonement in in free will but the idea of "I will die now but it will only be effectual retroactively. Piece by piece over the centuries past and the centuries to come." is ludicrous when one considers that Jesus is God and came to us as the Son of God. The only thing that avoids that is that God knew and chose who He would give to Christ before the foundation of the world, and Jesus died to redeem those people specifically. And since the Bible bears that out both in direct wording and by the very truth of who He reveals Himself to be, I shall consider that to be the case.
I never said it did. So straw man. Regeneration changes our status, our position before God. Reconciled to Him.
It doesn't and I never said it did. You are the one who implies that no one since the cross is born in Adam, while at the same times saying we are. We are reborn in Christ. It is not a physical birth in which we return to the womb and are born a second time in Adam.
It stands to reason that if they didn't speak they didn't speak lies. Do you know what was in their hearts or minds?
It is you my friend who as no concept of what sin is. When and at exactly what age does self centeredness, and greed, and disobedience to parents become not a sin against God? I am not talking about sins that people name as sins, or that people consider sin against them. I am talking about the Almighty and Holy God and where we as humans stand in relation to Him by our very nature.
If there was ever a strawman here it was the sin of the wailing baby demanding attention and to have its needs met.
You are still avoiding addressing the point. Here is the point put into the form of questions as was done previously and that went unanswered.
Well, here's a thought.
Try considering it in connection with what @JIM is claiming. That since the cross no one is born with the inherited sin of Adam. God only judges them regarding sin when they start sinning. IOW put my statement into the context in which it was made. Here and listen and then address the point.When they are old enough to know and understand law of God and the consequences for violating that law. I think Paul defined that in his discussion in chapter 7 about his own experience with law and sin. In verse 9 he said, "I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died".
