Who invented the invitation system?

[Red Baker]

Everything that follows in your post, has completely gone off, not only the topic of the OP, but the author's own opening topic.

It somewhat has a small connection, yet, it can be used along with what the OP started with. Let me explain:

I believe that many of God children may have came by an invitation call by the minister, yet though the system itself is not taught in the scriptures, or even practiced by any as we noted above, yet, nevertheless, this very well could have been the first step in a regenerate child of God's conversion to the truth. I was going to mention this earlier, and let it slip by.

There is no such thing as partial conversion

Sister, there are indeed, and it amazes me that you have never even considered this truth.

Luke 22:32​

“But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” Consider:

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;​

Here is the most detailed and specific verse describing soul winning in the whole Bible.

It must be observed very strictly that this verse is addressed to brethren, James’s audience. He already declared these beloved brethren were born again and justified (1:18; 2:1,5,14). The conditional statement on which the lesson is taught is brethren erring from the truth. This is on-on-one work of restoring individual brother back to the truth of God. Brethren can err from the truth, as they did on many points of doctrine in many churches. These brethren had been taught the truth and were in the truth, but they could err from it! Consider how many doctrinal and practical heresies existed at just Corinth and in Galatia. Paul taught the saints at Thessalonica to warn any unruly among them (I Thess 5:14).

It is a common occurrence of saints getting confused or disorderly in doctrine or practice. Erring from the truth is sin by leaving Bible doctrine or practice, for he is a sinner (5:20).

Conversion is turning a person from one bad form of belief or conduct to another that is right. Closely connected with ongoing sanctification but different.

When we convert things, like electricity, we change them into much more useful forms. When a person is converted, he changes from one form of belief or activity to another.

Conversion sees, hears, understands, and repents; and then God forgives the new converts of their past sins and wicked lives (Isaiah 6:10; Mark 4:12; John 12:40; Acts 3:19; 28:27).

Conversion is not regeneration, no matter who may say so. God regenerates by creating our hearts anew, and we convert by changing our lifestyle to match the written word of God.

As noted above~Peter fearfully denied Jesus Christ and needed conversion back to Him (Luke 22:31-32). The kingdom of heaven requires that we change and become as little children (Matt 18:3).

David intended to teach transgressors God’s ways and convert sinners to Him (Ps 51:13). The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul – teaching truth and wisdom (Ps 19:7).

Conversion is also restoration when recovering those erring from the truth (Gal 6:1-2). Paul and Barnabas witnessed to churches about the conversion of Gentiles (Acts 15:3).

God regenerated Cornelius, but Peter converted him, and we must keep these separate!

But there are many scriptures converting men back to righteousness and truth (I Thess 5:14; Psalm 141:5; Prov 27:5-6; Job 33:12-13; I Sam 25:32-35).

That is not what caused that problem, and that is not actually the problem. The problem is saying that faith causes the new birth.

Also, and maybe even greater by saying/teaching that faith is present at regeneration!

Much of our differences is the different between what the community of believers among the Reformed faith teach, and that of the Particular Baptist teaches~even though we may agree on many things, some we do not. But we still loved and appreciate each other for the truth they have.

 

[Red Baker]

I disagree with you on many points here, but it would be getting off topic to pursue this conversation.

Not sure how you could possibly disagree with what I said in the post to you, but, be as it may be, may the Lord continue to open the eyes of his saints to be as close to the truth as we can be.

 

[Arial]

It somewhat has a small connection, yet, it can be used along with what the OP started with. Let me explain:

I believe that many of God children may have came by an invitation call by the minister, yet though the system itself is not taught in the scriptures, or even practiced by any as we noted above, yet, nevertheless, this very well could have been the first step in a regenerate child of God's conversion to the truth. I was going to mention this earlier, and let it slip by.

Sister, there are indeed, and it amazes me that you have never even considered this truth.

Luke 22:32​

“But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” Consider:

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;​

Here is the most detailed and specific verse describing soul winning in the whole Bible.

It must be observed very strictly that this verse is addressed to brethren, James’s audience. He already declared these beloved brethren were born again and justified (1:18; 2:1,5,14). The conditional statement on which the lesson is taught is brethren erring from the truth. This is on-on-one work of restoring individual brother back to the truth of God. Brethren can err from the truth, as they did on many points of doctrine in many churches. These brethren had been taught the truth and were in the truth, but they could err from it! Consider how many doctrinal and practical heresies existed at just Corinth and in Galatia. Paul taught the saints at Thessalonica to warn any unruly among them (I Thess 5:14).

It is a common occurrence of saints getting confused or disorderly in doctrine or practice. Erring from the truth is sin by leaving Bible doctrine or practice, for he is a sinner (5:20).

Conversion is turning a person from one bad form of belief or conduct to another that is right. Closely connected with ongoing sanctification but different.

When we convert things, like electricity, we change them into much more useful forms. When a person is converted, he changes from one form of belief or activity to another.

Conversion sees, hears, understands, and repents; and then God forgives the new converts of their past sins and wicked lives (Isaiah 6:10; Mark 4:12; John 12:40; Acts 3:19; 28:27).

Conversion is not regeneration, no matter who may say so. God regenerates by creating our hearts anew, and we convert by changing our lifestyle to match the written word of God.

As noted above~Peter fearfully denied Jesus Christ and needed conversion back to Him (Luke 22:31-32). The kingdom of heaven requires that we change and become as little children (Matt 18:3).

David intended to teach transgressors God’s ways and convert sinners to Him (Ps 51:13). The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul – teaching truth and wisdom (Ps 19:7).

Conversion is also restoration when recovering those erring from the truth (Gal 6:1-2). Paul and Barnabas witnessed to churches about the conversion of Gentiles (Acts 15:3).

God regenerated Cornelius, but Peter converted him, and we must keep these separate!

But there are many scriptures converting men back to righteousness and truth (I Thess 5:14; Psalm 141:5; Prov 27:5-6; Job 33:12-13; I Sam 25:32-35).


Also, and maybe even greater by saying/teaching that faith is present at regeneration!

Much of our differences is the different between what the community of believers among the Reformed faith teach, and that of the Particular Baptist teaches~even though we may agree on many things, some we do not. But we still loved and appreciate each other for the truth they have.

Extreme conflation and lack of clarity and logic. Start a thread on it. Responding takes and keeps the thread off topic.

 

[Red Baker]

Extreme conflation and lack of clarity and logic. Start a thread on it. Responding takes and keeps the thread off topic.

Arial~I DO appreciate what our Reformed brethren believes overall, especially so concerning eschatology. It was through them I first saw the error of dispensationalism, by reading the book..."Behold he Cometh" ~ by Herman Hoeksema back in the seventies.

Okay enough said.

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[Mr GLee]

Like most doctrines the invitation system.

The word of God drawing come.. . .or the father of lies, Did God really say, come to me beleive me .

Satan in order to take away the spiritual unseen value of Christ would make it all or both drawing powers one in the same .Trust the serpent as in why trust things you cannot see.

His lying wile as a lying wonder. . . what God calls one he calls two or more. What God calls many he calls one .

Again taking away the spiritual unseen understanding of Christ .