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[Red Baker]

THE PROPHET JEREMIAH AND MYSTERY BABYLON

JEREMIAH 25...In this chapter Jeremiah was commanded to take the wine cup of God's fury from God's hand, and cause all nations to whom God would send him, to drink it. He started with Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah, and then to the rest. (1st Peter 4:17)

Jeremiah said many things concerning Babylon in terms of eternal reproaches. We know that this was not fulfilled. Babylon was reduced to a "state of subjection" by the Medes and Persians, yet the city itself remained safe, even until the days of the apostles. Do you think that Jeremiah exceeded the limit of truth in this chapter about his prophecy of PERPETUAL DESOLATION toward Babylon? Of course not, for he was speaking of this world and wicked therein!

We know that the Spirit working through this faithful prophet had another Babylon in mind. There are many things within this chapter that allows us to know "the mystery" that is hidden in the words of the prophet Jeremiah~if only, one is honest with the word of God

Jeremiah 25:10..."Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of he bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candles."

These exact words are found in Revelation 18:22-23! The reason why, is because both places are speaking on the same subject. There is no other way to interpret these dark sayings/proverbs of the old Testament prophets.

Jeremiah 25:14, is a verse that would be impossible to interpret without the New Testament.

"For many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of them also: and I will recompense them according to their deeds, and according to their works of their own hands."

There is a verse in the New Testament that can give light on this verse:

"And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings ( these kings are great! ) of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it." Revelation 21:24

The nations of this present world WILL BE DESTROYED and their kingdoms shall be given to the saints of the most High, and they shall serve themselves of them! When the most High shall recompense them according to their deeds. Daniel 7:18, 22, 27

"But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and posses the kingdom for ever, evern for ever, an dfor ever and ever." Daniel 7:17

Jeremiah 25....The chapter overall is last day punishment for the wicked, which is, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT.

Jeremiah 25: 29 "...For I will call for a sword upon ALL the inhabitants of the EARTH, saith the LORD of hosts."

Verse 30.."Therefore prophesy thou against them (the earth) all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against ALL THE INHABITANTS of the EARTH."

Verse 33.."And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: and they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground."

There is more in this chapter where Babylon is mentioned that will force you to look past Jeremiah's day to the end of the world.

JEREMIAH 50.... This is a powerful chapter! A man that is enlightened by the Spirit of the living God will see that there is no doubt that Jeremiah the prophet, is teaching about a Babylon that was not in his day. To what extent he understood what he wrote, we do not know. He wrote AS he WAS MOVED by the Spirit of God. God who knows the END from the beginning, knew his purposes against Babylon. There are much within this chapter to convince a child of God, who Babylon is.

Verse 8.."Remove out of the mist of Babylon......" Again we see this command that we will see again in Revelation 18:4. We will consider that verse when we arrive in the book of Revelation.

Verse 15...We read that her foundations are FALLEN, her walls are thrown DOWN: for it IS the vengeance of the LORD. Read Revelation 14:8

Verses 15 and 29, Both say this: "Call together the archers against Babylon: all ye that bend the bow, camp against it round about; let NONE thereof escape (and they will not!) recompense her according to her work; according to all that she hath done. do unto her: for she hath been proud against the LORD, against the Holy ONE of Israel." Read Revelation 18:6

Verses 13 and 23..."How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations! (nations of the new heaven and new earth) "because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be WHOLLY DESOLATE: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues." Read Revelation 17:16; 18:19~and tell me this is not speaking of this present world as we know it.

Babylon is a "land of graven images,'' and they are mad upon their idols! Jeremiah 50:38 ~ This describes our world in our day so perfectly.

Jeremiah chapter 50 tells who will destroy Babylon: In verses 3, 9, 41. most of the chapter speak of Babylon's destruction.

"For out of the NORTH there cometh up a nation against her which shall make her land desolate..."

"For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the NORTH country......"

"Behold a people shall come from the NORTH and a GREAT NATION, and MANY KINGS shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth."
Jeremiah 50:42.. They shall hold the bow and lance; they are cruel, and will not shew mercy: their voice shall roar like the sea, and they ride upon horses every one put in array, like a man to the battle, against thee, O daughter of Babylon."

There is only one great nation that lives on the side of the north that all of them are kings and all will be riding upon horses at that day, that will shew NO MERCY, when Babylon is destroyed! That Holy Nation that Jesus Christ is King. Revelation 19. "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion." Psalm 2:6 "Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, ON THE SIDES OF THE NORTH, the city of the GREAT KING." Psalm 48:2

No wonder the prophet Jeremiah in the very next verse said this:

"The king of Babylon (the devil) hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as a woman in travail." Jeremiah 50:43

Jeremiah to be continue in the next post.

 

[Red Baker]

THE PROPHET JEREMIAH AND MYSTERY BABYLON

JEREMIAH 51.....There are many saying in this chapter that will help a serious student of God's word to see the truth concerning which Babylon the prophet Jeremiah is speaking about. This secret should begin to be clearly seen by the time we finish with this chapter.

Verse 3:...This Babylon's host shall be UTTERLY destroyed.

Verse 6...Is mentioned several times in the scriptures, Revelation 18:4 being the last time.

Verse 7... is mentioned in Revelation 17:4 which we will consider at that time.

Verse 8..."Babylon is SUDDENLY fallen and destroyed."

In 1st Thessalonians 5:3.."For when they shall say, Peace and safety; THEN SUDDEN destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon woman with child; (see Jeremiah 50:43) and they shall not escape."

Verse 13.."O thou that dwellest upon many waters,....

(And there came one of the angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that SITTETH UPON MANY WATERS:" Revelation 17:1...the many waters are people of ALL NATIONS of THIS WORLD!)

...."abundant in treasures"...

(for in one hour SO GREAT RICHES is come to nought. Revelation 18:17)

.... Still in verse 13, we read: "thine END IS COME and the measure of thy covetousness" (also, verse 33)

In Revelation 16:19 we read:

"And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations FELL: and great Babylon came in REMEMBRANCE before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."

When the LORD of hosts does give unto Babylon the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath, he will use as his battle axe and weapons of war, his people, called Israel and Judah or Jacob or Zion in many places of the prophets. See Jeremiah 51:5, 19-24

Verse 20..The LORD of host using his battle and weapons of war would break in pieces the NATIONS and destroy KINGDOMS; not just ONE literal nation of ancient Babylon.

Verse 25..Jeremiah's Babylon destroyest all the earth. According to Revelation 18:23, by SORCERIES did John's Babylon deceive ALL nations.

Back to Jeremiah 51:25 where we read that the LORD will make Babylon a "burnt mountain" or that he will destroyed the kingdom of Babylon with fire. See 2nd Peter 3:7-12

Verse 35..."The violence done to me and to my flesh be upon Babylon, shall the inhabitant of Zion say; and my blood upon the inhabitants of Chaldea shall Jerusalem say."

Revelation 6:10: "And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long O LORD, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

.................................... "THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH"..... THIS IS WHO MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT IS!..............................................

They have shed the blood of the saints. We agree that more blood has been shed by the WHORE ( false churches ) of Babylon; but, the kings of the earth and their people (NON RELIGIONIST) have as well. BOTH make up MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT; we will see this when we get into Revelation 17 and 18..

Jeremiah 51:41..."How is Sheshack taken! and how is the praise of the WHOLE EARTH (because it covers the whole earth) SURPRISED! how is Babylon become an astonishment among the nations."

"And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so THAT DAY come upon you unawares. For AS A SNARE shall it come on ALL them that dwell on the FACE of the WHOLE EARTH." Luke 21:34-35

Jeremiah 51:44-45 is mentioned again and will be again before we are finished.

"MY PEOPLE, go ye OUT OF the mist of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD." Jeremiah 51:45
Verse 47 and 48.."Then the heaven and the earth, and all that therein, shall sing for Babylon: (this is world wide joy) for the spoiler shall come unto her from the NORTH, saith the LORD. As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall, so AT BABYLON shall fall the slain of ALL THE EARTH.

Dear Christian friend, LOVE your King James Bible 1611 version, every word is precious indeed. This is TOO plain of revelation from (verses 47-48) God's word to reject! EVERY word as it first came to us in our language is very important; and we have faith in God that every word is just as he first gave it to the apostles and prophets. Allow any man to change ONE word of it, then you have allowed your Bible to be corrupted. God HAS preserved his word from the hands of wicked men forever! Psalm 12:6-7 Do your part as lovers of the scriptures, and reject other translations of the Bible in our language. We need EVERY word as it was first given to preserve the truths therein.

The Babylon that the holy prophet is speaking of, covers all the earth. It is upon many waters. Her destruction is sure, just as sure as the sure mercies of David to God's elect. Read carefully the remaining verses of Jeremiah 51:52-58..

"Thus saith the LORD of host; The broad walls of Babylon shall be utterly broken, and her high gates shall be BURNED WITH FIRE...."
The Prophets of old wrote in proverbs to people and to nations to whom they were sent; their words had a spiritual truth concealed by the words written; those spiritual truths concealed in their writings are revealed in the New Testament to God's saints. That is the method that God chose to hide truth from men, since the foundation of the world. It is totally effective!! The wise of this world apart from God's Spirit could NEVER know those truth hidden within the Holy scriptures. Read Matthew 13:10-17.

3 Resurrections there's much more to come to prove your teaching that Mystery Babylon is old Jerusalem is a lie.

 

[Red Baker]

Red, that is a river of commentary, and it unfortunately ignores the one place where the angel defines for you what Mystery Babylon actually was in Revelation 17:18.

"And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth" (which "kings of the earth" were the high priests of the land of Israel). This is not the world at large in this context. Only a single city. To go beyond this definition by the angel is to add to God's words and to change the meaning.

Revelation 18:24 also pins down the identity of "that great city". "And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth." The apostles and prophets in heaven were going to rejoice over the death of this "great city" because God had then avenged their martyrdom at her hands by His destruction of that great city. This same charge of the blood guilt of the saints of God and the prophets was made by Christ against the city of Old Jerusalem in Matthew 23:34-37. That "great city" was where our Savior was crucified (Revelation 11:8), at Jerusalem.

You are complicating the simple.

I'll address those scriptures when I come to Revelation~I'm not complicating anything, I'm exposing a corruption by using scriptures from the OT prophets that we can interpret from the NT. The word of God is one cohesive whole of one truth concerning whatever subject is under consideration.

I put this paper together on Mystery Babylon by waking up in the middle of the night with different verses coming in got my mind, so I got up and begin putting this subject together concerning Mystery Babylon~and it even surprise me just how perfectly it all came together. I know the writing and grammar is bad, but, I did the best I could. You must looked past that to the truth. I'm pretty sure Peter and John who were fisherman writing skills were far below the Pharisees, unless they wrote as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

[Red Baker]

THE PROPHET EZEKIEL CHAPTERS 26-28

EZEKIEL 26-28...The Prophet Ezekiel has many things within his prophecy that is by no means easy to understand. If any one interprets the prophet's writings literal, then that man will have many strange teachings that he cannot support with the rest of the scriptures. Any Spirit filled, older saint, will agree with that statement.

If he is wise, a cautious saint will read this book very carefully over a few times, and for a few years, before he is ready to take a firm stand on what he see therein. Let us look at three chapters that we believe should be part of our study. May you judge for yourselves. I trust I would be content to hold my peace, if a brother has a better interpretation, than my own. May the God of Heaven grant to us this spirit of being meek and lowly.

"Let the prophets (in a limited sense, we all are) speak two or three, (when a church comes together in one place) and let the other judge. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first HOLD HIS PEACE." 1st Corinthians 14:29-30

"The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets." 1st Corinthians 14:32.

I would be subject to any child of God who may have a better interpretation of the scriptures, than the one I believe I see.

Ezekiel 26...................... There is a judgment against Tyrus that is DIFFERENT from the one in Ezekiel 27. The one in Ezekiel 26 is against "HER DAUGHTERS;" the one in Ezekiel 27 is against "COMMERCE/GLORIOUS" CITY of Tyrus. The same as Revelation 17,18.

Above we made mention of a truth that is clearly taught in the scriptures, that is:......

..... there are TWO SPIRITUAL CITIES in this world. One is ZION/JERUSALEM; the other is EDOM/BABYLON. If the world heard these words, then they would think that we are living in a dream world, and that we are beside ourselves and very strange. Many that are very religious would not be very far behind them in their opinions about us. There would be some of God's own children that would believe we are confused or deceived. There is a very small group who would search these things out and would receive them. None of these things or man's vain opinions should ever move the elect. God's elect can be and are in ignorance on some things (we spend our Christian walk being converted on doctrine; this is true of ALL of us, or at least it should. 2 Peter 3:18) BUT they cannot be deceived to a point were it could be said of them, that their overall doctrine is against the teachings of the scriptures. The doctrine of Jesus Christ being the SON OF GOD, they will not reject. 1st John 4:2-3; 2nd John 7-11. This of ALL doctrine is essential to the Christian faith! There can be NO truth without this confession, which is the foundation of all of our doctrines.

There are other names used in the scriptures to identify both of these two cities, but these names are used most of the times. One is elected by God's grace, vessels of mercy; the other, is passed over and left in their sins, and vessels of his wrath.

Ezekiel 27...We read of A CITY within this chapter that filledst the needs and desires of many people. This city enrich the kings of the earth with the MULTITUDE of its RICHES and its MERCHANDISE.

Verse 33.."When thy wares went forth out of the seas, thou filledst many people; thou didst enrich the kings of the earth with the multitude of thy riches and of thy merchandise."

Our minds MUST NOT limit this to a literal city; NO MORE, than we would limit ZION to a literal city. Zion was a literal city in Israel of old, but we all know that there is a GREATER Zion than the one mentioned in David's day; One that the prophets of old prophesied good of, concerning things to come, and NOTHING BUT GOOD.

NO MORE than we would limit the city of Jerusalem in the scriptures, to the literal city in the middle east. MANY times in the Bible it is used for God's elect; past, present and future. As we read the word of God, we allow the context and the contents of those scriptures we are reading to help us give the proper sense to what we are reading; Or, we will be very confused with our understanding of truth.

".......and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place. So they read in the books in the law of God DISTINCTLY, and GAVE THE SENSE, and caused them to understand the reading." Nehemiah 8:7 ( the end of the verse ) and Nehemiah 8:8

WITHOUT reading the scriptures distinctly and giving the PROPER SENSE, we have NO understanding for ourselves or our hearers!

Ezekiel 28 ..In this chapter we read about the judgment of the "prince of Tyrus;" again, we must rule our minds to receive what we are reading so as to make this chapter fit with others scriptures; and to follow the FLOW of these three connected chapters on the JUDGMENTS of TYRUS.

TYRUS... A name used by Ezekiel that fits PERFECTLY with the BABYLON of the book of REVELATION.

Let us consider these chapters briefly and see if:

Ezekiel 26 is the SAME daughters of Babylon of Revelation 17.
Ezekiel 27 is the SAME city of Babylon of Revelation 18.
Ezekiel 28 is the SAME prince of Babylon/beast of Revelation. No one should be surprised of the truth that they will see. The AUTHOR of Ezekiel is the SAME as Revelation! And he KNOWS the END from the BEGINNING!

The word of God is God's hidden secrets to his children. If you are reading this, and what I just said, upset you; then, these hidden secrets ARE NOT for YOU! You can go and fill your belly with the husks that the swine’s of this world eat, at least you can leave this world with a full belly!

Ezekiel 26....At the end of this world, for a little season ( that season, when exactly it started no man can pinpoint; of how long it will last, is not known to man; God's word does reveal to us concerning things to expect and what to look for to help us to know that we are in that little season. ) the elect shall suffer persecution greater than in any time of this world history from the Devil, who knows that he has but a short time to do his evil work and show his hatred of God and his children; and to continue his wicked work of destroying this earth and those within.

During that little season, iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold, and people shall betray one another. During that little season, many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. MEGA CHURCHES shall increase, saints shall be put to death (silenced, most likely) and the true Jerusalem (God's saints will be few in number in comparison to the many who follow false prophets) The OUTWARD Jerusalem that will be on the earth at that time, that SUPPOSE to be the elect of God, will be FALSE and the true saints will be few and UNKNOWN to men of this world for the most part. This HAS ALWAYS been true for the MOST PART, that is: God's children are misfits and UNKNOWN to the people of this world. They (the world/Babylon) HAVE ALWAYS looked to false religion as the source of their knowledge of God. THEREBY, they remain in ignorance and darkness. The men that they look to for knowledge, is just as blind as they are, and are just as wicked. They have the same father and belong to the same family.

"He that is spiritual judgeth (knoweth) all things, yet he himself is judged (known) of no man," 1st Cor. 2:15 We know them and their ways, yet they do not know us!

 

[Red Baker]

THE PROPHET EZEKIEL CHAPTERS 26-28

Back to Ezekiel 26..That being said, we read of Tyrus seeing Jerusalem broken, (verse 2) she thinks that she shall be replenished. God's true Jerusalem today is broken by a WAR that the BEAST/BABYLON has against her. She will NEVER be totally defeated, but will be overcome to a great degree before this world ends. Revelation 13:7; Revelation 11:7-13.

False religion has increased greatly in this world in the last two hundred years. Consider the many different religions that were NOT here two hundred years ago. I am not going to name them, they are legions! It is true that the mystery of iniquity has always been in this world working since the fall of man, BUT has increased GREATLY during this little season that we ARE now in. Not only the number of false sects has increased greatly, but the multitudes within these sects are great!

In Revelation 17 which we will consider when we arrive there, tells of the DAUGHTERS of the GREAT WHORE, that are DESTROYED by the KINGS of this world before this world come to an end. Even though the devil works in BOTH the great whore and the kings of the earth, IT IS GOD that ultimately WORKS in the KINGS heart to cause THEM to hate the whore and kill her. Even though, they have went to bed with her themselves!

In Ezekiel 26:2, we read: "Therefore (because she begins to increase when Jerusalem was broken) thus saith the Lord God; Behold I am against thee, O Tyrus and will cause MANY NATIONS to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up."

Revelations 17:16, "And the ten horns... (see verse 12, ten is a number of totality and horn equals power; so it means all the kings of the earth that have power) ...which thou sawest upon the beast, THESE shall HATE the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts (they do not know this) to fulfill his will....." Revelation 17:17 in part.

The WALLS of Tyrus shall fall and she (the word her is used in verse 4) shall become a spoil to the NATIONS.

"And HER DAUGHTERS which are IN THE FIELDS shall be slain by the sword; and they shall know that I am the LORD." Ezekiel 26:6
All of her daughters that are in the fields (in the scriptures, the fields ARE the world; See Matthew 13:38; false religion FILLS the earth, from one end of heaven to the other end of heaven.)

Her daughters are those which came through her womb. Babylon is a GREAT CITY and part of that great city is religious; (every great literal city of this earth has a part of it that is religious; this is true of MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT). This great city of Babylon HAS GIVEN BIRTH to MANY false beliefs and sects. These sects are called DAUGHTERS of the WHORE, because they ALL came FROM the womb of the MYSTERY BABYLON.

Here in Ezekiel 26, under the name of Tyrus we see what we see in Revelation 17 of the daughters of the whore being destroyed by KINGS of the world (they BOTH belong to BEAST/BABYLON/SATAN, they both have his name, his image, and his mark!) In verse 7 of Ezekiel 26, it states that it was Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, who will destroy Tyrus, but in verse three and verse five it is the NATIONS. So we understand that Satan who is king of his Babylon works through the kings of the earth to destroy the daughters of Tyrus/Babylon. God moving BOTH of them to destroy FALSE RELIGION, just before this world comes to a end. Then, God will destroy their paradise, Satan being the god of this paradise.

The saints LONG to see their deliverance from their LORD! Luke 17:22.."And he said unto his disciples, The days will come, when ye shall DESIRE TO SEE one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. "

This verse has NOTHING to do with 70 A.D. The Doctrine within these verses has to do with Christ’s SECOND COMING at the END OF THIS WORLD.

It is SO easy to prove to any one who is not proud of his teaching or to one who is not deceived. If he is deceived, then the verses that follow should open his eyes. He that hath ears, LET HIM HEAR!

There are a few reasons why this has NO reference to 70 A.D. teaching that is so popular with so many.

Luke 17:34: "I tell you, (the SON OF GOD SPEAKING, hear ye HIM!) in that NIGHT there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Verse 35.."Two women shall be GRINDING TOGETHER; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Verse 36.." Two men shall be in the FIELD; the one shall be taken, the other one left.

These verses make it perfectly clear, that when Jesus Christ comes again: It will be NIGHT somewhere in this world, it will be late afternoon somewhere in this world and it will be during the day, somewhere in this world. We know this by the words: In the bed sleeping in the NIGHT.....women GRINDING TOGETHER...men working in the FIELDS! and there are other things within these verses that prove what I am saying, but we must move on. If this does not prove it to someone, then maybe nothing will. One CANNOT work in the fields if someone is sleeping in the bed at night, if this is NOT speaking of something that takes place WORLD WIDE!! It just cannot happen, and everyone reading this KNOWS that as well as I do. If someone would disagree with this then you could NEVER convince them of anything!

In Ezekiel 26:12-13, we know that this perfectly describes the false churches of our day. Riches, pleasant houses (worship buildings, temple) songs, music, etc.

There is a day coming when FALSE RELIGION shall never be found again.

Ezekiel 26:21.."I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be NO MORE: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou NEVER be found again, saith the Lord God.

"When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the lows parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; I SHALL SET GLORY IN THE LAND OF THE LIVING;" (that can only be true in the new heaven and earth, ONCE the wicked are rooted out of it) Ezekiel 26:20

Ezekiel 27..I love the scriptures because there is NOT a book in this world like it!

The natural man DOES NOT think in the way the scriptures are written. NO MAN that has lived, is now living, or yet shall, is wise/righteous/sober enough to put together a book like our Bible (KJV 1611).

Verse 2 starts out by saying, NOW...By that word, I understand the Spirit of God telling me, that what we just considered in chapter 26, is ONLY dealing with a CERTAIN part of Tyrus that shall fall and NOW we shall consider another part of Tyrus that SHALL likewise fall and be NO MORE AT ALL!

Thank you most blessed God in heaven for enabling thine elect to see and know the truth!

Read this chapter carefully and read Revelation a few times, then you will see that these chapters go together.

Babylon of Revelation is here under the name of Tyrus which is evident when we serious ponder the words in Ezekiel 27.

 

[Red Baker]

THE PROPHET EZEKIEL CHAPTERS 26-28

Mystery, Babylon the Great is Satan's kingdom/city that he has built for himself. The people of this Babylon worship the dragon (Revelation 13:4,8) whose names are NOT written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. This Babylon (Tyrus in Ezekiel 26-28) has EVERYTHING that sinful man lusts after and has lot of it and the best of it. EVERY FRUITS (Revelation18:14) their souls lust after ARE in Great Babylon.

Verse 3..Tyrus is a MERCHANT of the people for MANY ISLES. All nations bring their goods INTO TYRUS. Tyrus in Ezekiel, and Babylon in Revelation are not to be taken as literal cities in Bible prophecy.

The nations in Ezekiel 27 brought their goods INTO Tyrus and caused her to be beautiful. She boasted and said: "I am of PERFECT BEAUTY" verse 3.

The BUILDERS of Tyrus had perfected her beauty. Verse 4, Look and consider what the craftsmen of this world have done to the world in which you live. They have gotten rich making this world beautiful to look at where ever you may go, it is everywhere. Each one (nations) trying to out do the other. Ever heard of Dubai? Of course you have. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai

As you read through this chapter you will notice they have the BEST of everything, and the wisest of them leading the way. verses 5-9
They have great military might; verses 10-11.....They have riches in abundance; verse 12. NOTICE PLEASE..These were NATIONS of the WHOLE EARTH working separately, yet BUILDING up this BEAUTIFUL, POWERFUL CITY, called by the name Tyrus. All the kingdoms of the earth traded in Tyrus’s fairs, Verses 12-23!

Verse 24.."These were thy merchants in ALL sort of things........" Compare with Revelation 18:7-15. As in Revelation 18, so in Ezekiel 27, their END is JUDGMENT by the God of heaven.

"Thy riches, and thy fairs, thy merchandise, thy mariners, and thy pilots, thy calkers, and the occupiers of thy merchandise, and all thy men of war, that are in thee, and in all thy company which is in the midst of thee, shall fall into the midst seas in the day of thy ruin." verse 27

"and shall cause their voice to be heard against thee, and shall cry bitterly, and shall cast up dust upon their heads, they shall wallow themselves in the ashes:" verse 30 cp. Revelation 18: 19.

Verse 31 about the same as verse 30.

Verse 32.."And in their WAILING they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and lament over thee, saying, What CITY is like TYRUS, like the destroyed in the mist of the sea?

READ REVELATION 18 and then tell me before the God of heaven that they are not speaking of the SAME EVENT! You would be found to be a liar before the God of heaven.

Verse 33.. ".....Thou didst enrich the kings of the earth with the multitude of thy riches and of thy merchandise." Revelation 18:9
What is amazing is this: Some of these riches and merchandise came FROM the kings own nations, that were used in BUILDING this GREAT CITY called here Tyrus, but in Revelation called by Mystery, Babylon the Great CITY of the DEVIL himself, that HE has builded to SEDUCE his followers! And MANY are RUNNING to get to this city as fast as they can! He that hath eyes, let him see!

Verses 33-35 should be easy to see now that we have proved that this chapter goes hand in hand with Revelation 18.

Tyrus/Babylon will be destroyed forever, never to be found again, no NEVER TO BE FOUND AGAIN. verse 36 and Revelation 18:11,21,22,23,

Ezekiel 28..We now have only two chapters more to consider in the Old Testament, before moving into the New Testament. We admit that with each chapter we are looking at in the OT, the harder it is to explain these scriptures as we work our way to the end of the OT. We will be thankful when we get to Revelation to help us to see more clearly.

If it was easy to see and understand, than it would NOT be a MYSTERY; but, it is a hidden mystery in the BOOK OF GOD, for his chosen people to search out and to contend for as they are revealed to us by the Spirit.

One more thought before chapter 28: If God hides mysteries within the Bible, and he did, why would a saint look outside of the Bible for revelation on those mysteries? We MUST trust the word of God ALONE to reveal it's own interpretations. It is his word and
interpretations/revelations and revealing of secrets belong to him alone.

Genesis 40:8 "....Do not interpretations belong to God?" said Joseph to Pharaoh's officers. Daniel 2:20-23 ......The best commentary on the word of God is the WORD OF GOD! We could give examples from the word of God to prove this, but it is another subject for another time.

Ezekiel 28:1-2....This chapter from verse one down to verse 19 is judgment from the LORD upon the prince of Tyrus.

Is the prince mentioned in this verse a prince that one time lived in Tyrus/Tyre? Or, is the prince of verse two down to verse nineteen Satan? Regardless of one’s position, both sides do have problem verses that need to be addressed. By over looking them and not addressing them, weakens one’s position before his reader.

Those men who hold to a literal prince, cannot identify him WITH the scriptures. Any man who wants to PLAY with history, and read Josephus to help them with their understanding of the word OF GOD, should be rejected by God's elect, who live by the word of God ALONE. There is NO material outside of the holy scriptures that can give revelation on them, NONE. Once a believer in God's word, allow any material to be used ALONG WITH the Bible FOR LIGHT on its hidden truths, then where will you stop and what should you believe and what should you reject and WHO shall we trust, other than the words of the TRUE and living God? There is no answer to those questions! The HOLY SCRIPTURES are the ONLY writings in this world that are perfectly all truth without lies; add others things with the truth/God's word, and you will have a mixture of truth and lies; and to the degree you exalt the one above other, will be the degree of truth and lies you will hold to.

There is no doubt that the prince in Ezekiel 28 is Satan. There are too many plain descriptions that are so detailed that could only be said of Satan and not of a literal man.

Verse 2..What is written in this verse could only be said of Satan. "Thus saith the LORD GOD; because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am God, I sit in the seat of God, in the mist of the seas;" In this world, it is Satan that sits in the mist of the seas.....

.....In Revelation 17 and 18, we see the BEAST and HIS kingdom giving POWER to both a whore and to the great Babylon, of which the woman was very much part of. The whore and the kings of the earth sitteth upon MANY WATERS or in the MIST OF THE SEA. The seas/many waters are: peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Revelations 17:15.

 

[Red Baker]

THE PROPHET EZEKIEL CHAPTERS 26-28

Again, this prince said: I am God, I sit in the seat of God; This can only to said of Satan and those who live under his power and do his will.

This is the spirit of the man of sin in 2Thessalonians 2:1-12. The MAN OF SIN is just as simple as it sounds: a man that lives under the power of sin and the devil. We could spend time here with this subject, but must keep moving.

"yet, thou art man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God." Should we look at the words: Yet, thou ART MAN, and not God..and believe that this prince is a man like we are and close our eyes to the many things mentioned from verse 2 to verse 19, that reveals that this prince is not man in the literal sense of the word as we use the word man.

Again, if one takes the position that the prince of Tyrus, in Ezekiel 28, is a man as we are, then he must close his eyes to much contents of the verses that follow the statement in verse two: "thou art man, and not God."

Again, no man has the right to "over look" the words of the prophet in verse two (thou ART a MAN) and still think of himself as one that is faithful with God's word; we likewise should labor to be just as honest as we want other men to be. We must labor to give a sense of any words that we come across as we are reading, that would fit with God’s truth through out his word, of the particular doctrine we are teaching.

Angels are powerful spirits that were created by the Almighty, that are a little higher than man. They are not self existence eternal spirits who have no creator that they owe their existent to. They are the work of the Spirit who is the Maker of ALL things; The One that inhabiteths eternity; He that is from everlasting to everlasting. The LORD of Host is His name. He is the LORD of all hosts, in heaven and in earth.

In comparison to the Almighty, EVERYONE is less than nothing, whether in heaven or in earth. Man OR ANGELS; .......

......though angels are great in power, they ARE as a man, in COMPARISON TO JEHOVAH, the Almighty, THE I AM.
Angels in the scriptures did at times come down to earth to work for their Maker, whom they serve perfectly at his pleasure.

"And there came two ANGELS to Sodom at even." Genesis 19:1
"And when the morning arose, then the ANGELS hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city." Genesis 19:15.

".............for thereby some have entertained ANGELS unawares." Hebrews 13:1.

The point we want to make is this: There is NOT a big difference between angels and men, man being a little lower; between angels (Satan being the most powerful) and the ALMIGHTY, there is a INFINITE space between them!

That being said, that is why the Spirit in Ezekiel 28:2 said that the prince of Tyrus, who IS Satan, is NOT God, but man. When one compares the two together, Satan/the ALMIGHTY, Satan is as a man! Though, in his wicked heart, he wants to be like the Most High in everything; but he is NOT God, but man!

We will add this: the main reason, among many, why the devil so hates Jesus Christ is this: he was defeated by JESUS, the son of David, or JESUS THE SON OF MAN! Though he was as well: Jesus Christ the Son of God; but it was Jesus as a man that defeated the prince of this world! I ask you, what does that make the prince of this world in comparison to the God of our Lord Jesus Christ?

Again, remember this and never forget this blessed truth: There is A MAN at the right hand of the Majesty in the heaven; He has been highly exalted to that place and will remain there, until God makes all of his foes his footstool. When all rule and authority and power is put DOWN; then cometh the end and when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject into him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. Yes, it was the SON OF DAVID, that spoiled principalities and powers!

That which follows proves that the prince/king of Tyrus in Ezekiel 28 is Satan:

1. He is wiser than Daniel and there is no secret that a man can hide from him. Verse 3. God made Daniel the wisest man as far as understanding secrets that has ever lived. This king of Tyrus was wiser than Daniel.....

"Son of Man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, FULL OF WISDOM and PERFECT IN BEAUTY." verse 12

2. By being FULL of wisdom (not infinite) this king made himself a great city;(Ezekiel 27:32) with great riches; this he did by his great wisdom.

"With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee gold and silver into thy treasures: By thy GREAT WISDOM and thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart if lifted up because of thy riches:" Ezekiel 28:4-5 These verses go perfectly with Daniel 11:43: "But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and sliver, over all the precious things of Egypt...."

We will look at Daniel chapter eleven as our last chapter in the Old Testament, before looking at the New Testament. If one understands Daniel eleven, then he will have no problem making the connection between the other chapters we have considered already; neither will he have trouble making the connection with that which we will consider in the book of Revelation of Jesus Christ;

NOT the book of the Revelation of Catholicism/Rome! AMEN!

3. This king was in Eden the garden of God. What prince was there, other than Satan? Verse13

4. He was PERFECT in beauty in the day that he was created. verse 12,13

5. He was created not born. verse 13....angels are all created, only our first parents were created; the rest were born. This is not too deep to follow.

6. This prince was the anointed cherub that covereth; anointed by God himself. verse 14...This can not be said of any man born of Adam's race.

7. He was upon the holy mountain of God. and walked up and down in the mist of the stones of fires. Job 1:6-12 .....No earthly prince that is a son of Adam has ever done this. verse 14

8. The prince in Ezekiel 28 was PERFECT from the day he was CREATED, TILL iniquity was found in him. verse 15. This is a created spirit! Every son of Adam was BORN IN SIN; sin was NOT LATER found to be in man; man was CONCEIVED in sin. The devil was created PERFECT by God, and later fell! I am not going to give many quotes from the Bible, ALL should know this elementary doctrine. God COULD have ELECTED him and kept him from falling, but chose NOT to do so. Many angels God elected, many he did not.
"I charge thee before God and the ELECT ANGELS...." 1st Timothy 5:21

There should not be any doubt who the king/prince of Tyrus is, by God's saints, after considering these overwhelming clear statements by the prophet Ezekiel.

 

[Red Baker]

THE PROPHET EZEKIEL CHAPTERS 26-28

That being said, here is the sum of these three chapters from Ezekiel the prophet.

In chapter 26 we have the destruction of a part of Tyrus/Babylon, which is the RELIGIOUS part of the city. In Chapter 27 we have the COMMERCE/and all that is connected with that part of any great city, which would include the entertainment, art, and science part of Tyrus/Babylon, destroyed. In chapter 28 the king, who by his great wisdom built and made Tyrus/Babylon a great and prosperous city/kingdom. He likewise shall watch his great city destroyed and himself cast out and cast into the lake of fire, never to be any more.
"All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shall be a terror, and NEVER shalt thou be ANY MORE." verse 19 .....Revelation 20:10

The order given in these three chapters is the SAME order that we will find again in the book of Revelation chapter 17-19. Whatever seems to be hard to understand within these chapters is clearly brought forth in the New Testament. The prophet did speak in proverbs and dark sentences to hide a secret therein. But the mystery does unfold for us as we come to the New Testament. This is the means that the ONLY WISE God has chosen to conceal his truths. He does give us enough light to lead us to the revelation of his blessed truths HIDDEN within HIS WORD. We trust Him to reveal his truths to us, by His Spirit. BUT REMEMBER, his truth is ONLY within the pages of his word, NOT outside of them. Those who want to look to history for help or light on interpreting the scriptures; LET THEM ALONE;

"Matthew 15:14.."Let them alone, they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."
THE PROPHET EZEKIEL CHAPTERS 26-28
BEWARE and TAKE HEED toward ANY MAN, who uses "EXTRA BIBLICAL" means to teach YOU, doctrine that they claim is in the Bible, yet they use OUTSIDE means to teach you: "thus saith the Lord". DO NOT FALL FOR THAT LIE!

If you were taught by others using "Extra-Biblical" means to support their doctrine they taught you; then STOP doing the same way in teaching others; REPENT, and the Lord will forgive, and will give mercy to any that seek it. BEWARE and take HEED.

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of this prophecy of this book, IF ANY MAN shall ADD unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And IF ANY MAN shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19

This means ALL of the Bible, for the scriptures are ONE cohesive whole.

Before leaving Ezekiel 28 we must see the death blow to this proud wicked prince, who thinks he is as God. He shall die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hands of STRANGERS. The prophet Ezekiel does not tell us who these STRANGERS are, we must seek help elsewhere in the scriptures of truth.

The devil is the prince and power of the air, he rules over the people of this world; but the kingdom shall be taken from the devil and his children and given to Jesus Christ and his children. The saints of the Most High are at the moment, STRANGERS in this world, but we shall come back with our prince and take it from God's enemies to posses it for ever, even for ever and ever.

See Hebrews 11:13; 1st Peter 1:1; 2:11 with Revelation 19:11-21; Revelation 20:7-9 These are the STRANGERS....... (mentioned in verses 7, 10,)
.....along with their mighty Prince, that shall destroy the devil and his army at the last day. The enemies shall be cast out of this world into the lake of fire..... (deaths, verses 8,10: the second death)

....There shall be a new heaven and earth where we shall reign for ever and ever with the our MIGHTY KING and LORD.

Now, let us consider the last of the Old Testament scriptures on this subject, before we look in the New Testament. Then, after we finish with the New Testament, we will give some closing remarks to consider concerning: Mystery, Babylon the great.

 

[Red Baker]

DANIEL 11 INTRODUCTION CONSIDERATIONS TO HELP US.......

This chapter will be a little harder to see than the last. Our Lord spoke in many parables (this chapter without controversy is in a form of a parable) as we all know; it is very important when laboring to understand a parables is this: You do not need to interpret every word within the parable, in order to know the truth behind the parable you are considering. Daniel of all prophets could have the most difficult prophecy of all. He understood secrets; and when asked, revealed them by God's mercy. Daniel writings/visions are just as hard (maybe harder) as the visions he revealed for king Nebuchadnezzar. I believe that is a very fair statement that most would not disagree with. Would not the wisest prophet, have the most difficult writings? It would be very fitting that he would have them.

"And I heard, BUT I understood NOT: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words ARE CLOSED UP and SEALED till the TIME OF THE END." Daniel 12:8-9

The end in this verse, is this world as we know it. I know this by many facts revealed to us in this book; but one for now:

"But go thy way (to his fathers, death) TILL the end be: for thou SHALT REST, (death for a child of God is REST/SLEEP, till the resurrection of our bodies) and stand in thy lot (resurrection) at the end of the days. Daniel 12:13

We understand how some interpret the word end in Daniel's prophecy, to mean: the end of the Jewish nation, their temple, their whole system of worship, the end where God is no longer the God of the Jews only, but also, of the Jews and Gentiles. We agree, that all happened, but for different purposes than what they believe. Their doctrine of those things happening are true, but they are NOT taught here. It is very deceitful to use "sound bites" of words, to teach a doctrine you wish to put forth as truth, when the scriptures in that particular place is not teaching what you wish were there; and it may not be taught no where in the scriptures! You need more than "sound bites" to convince God's children what you are saying is indeed the truth of God's word. The content of the context from where you are drawing your support, MUST SUPPORT you! The END in Daniel 12, will not support from the content of Daniel 12, for those people who hold to what I just mentioned above.

The words of Daniel 12 were spoken AFTER the words of chapter eleven. When Daniel heard everything from Daniel 10:18 to Daniel 12:8, he DID NOT UNDERSTAND those dark sayings from the mouth of the angel that SHEWED HIM THAT WHICH IS NOTED IN THE SCRIPTURE OF TRUTH!

Again, what was said to Daniel by the angel CAN BE FOUND IN THE SCRIPTURES OF TRUTH! For the angel said that it would be in them.

"But I will shew thee that which IS noted IN the SCRIPTURES of TRUTH:" Daniel 10:21....The vision that the prophet Daniel had in Daniel 10 and recorded in Daniel 11, we have ASSURANCE from the angel that talked with Daniel, that WE CAN find other scriptures to help us with our understanding of Daniel’s vision. BUT, we can ONLY find help IN the SCRIPTURES OF TRUTH! With that truth and foundation to work from; Please consider with me....

A few thoughts before looking into chapter eleven:

1. The vision required a special visit from a messenger from heaven to help this gifted prophet to have scriptural understanding of the vision. The prophet had understanding of the CONTEXT of the vision, but NOT the spiritual understanding of it. This is seen by reading Daniel 10:1:
"In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision."

But, the angel was sent from heaven to MAKE him understand the spiritual detail of the overall message. We know that the angel did not go into every little word of explaining it, but did give an overall understanding of it. We have much more light in the New Testament to help us out even farther with the understanding of it, without which, we would still be in the dark to a great degree.

"Now I am come to MAKE THEE understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days." Daniel 10:14 And there is enough information to guide us in the RIGHT DIRECTION of understanding Daniel’s vision of the END TIME and that which SHALL BEFALL the HOLY PEOPLE, which were DANIEL'S PEOPLE, whose names were written in the book of life.
THIS is the SUM of ALL that is in Daniel chapter eleven. After considering the chapter, we MUST leave that chapter seeing the SAME truth, and it is this: That which shall befall Daniel's people in the LATTER DAYS of this earth, just before the resurrection of all that has ever lived in this earth.

2. Daniel's vision will come to pass....Daniel 10:1 "....and the thing IS TRUE..."

3. The TIME APPOINTED for this vision was LONG. It would be many years before the vision comes to pass....Daniel 10:2..and the thing is true, BUT the time appointed was LONG."

4. The vision was revealing a secret that shall BEFALL Daniel's PEOPLE in the LATTER DAY of this world, at the TIME OF THE END.

PLEASE CONSIDER the next point, for it is most important to understand; miss this point, and you are going to end up in serious error; with a doctrine that will force you to look at the scriptures in the New Testament with a very LIMITED VISION; forcing most of the New Testament in our day into the distant past; with most of the New Testament fulfilled; with nothing left, but the coming of the Lord at the last day; and we will add: a day in which they have no seasons or signs revealing to us of that day of our Lord's coming for us.

We will add: many of these folk have even taken away the resurrection of our bodies and left the believers with NO BLESSED HOPE. They have taken WHOLE books and many chapters in the New Testament and have STAMPED them: FULFILLED IN 70 A.D.! The Book of Revelation: FULFILLED in 70 A.D. or SHORTY afterward! Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21: FULFILLED 70 A.D.! 2Thessalonians 2:1-12: FULFILLED in the fall of the Roman Empire!

They have removed MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT from being a secret hidden in the scripture, that has its ultimate fulfillment in the book Revelation and the END OF TIME; of which (the book of Revelation), reveals to us the LAST DAYS of this world; from the death of Christ to the end of this world; and much concerning the LITTLE SEASON at the very end of this world. All this being said, let us consider now:

A. Daniel's TRUE people were not fleshly Jews but the RIGHTEOUS/HOLY/WISE of this world, BOTH Jews AND Gentiles . We KNOW that the angel was ONLY referring to them by the words he carefully spoke to Daniel.

Daniel 12:1 "And at THAT TIME (chapter eleven) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people, (NO angel of heaven has ever stood for ANY of the wicked; they were created as ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for THEM who shall be heirs of salvation. Hebrews 1:14).

B. The angel made it clear that he only stood for EVERY ONE that shall be found written in THE BOOK. That book is the BOOK of Life. Revelation 20:12,15

C. The angel only stood for the WISE-v3; the HOLY people-v7; and those that were PURIFIED, and MADE WHITE, and TRIED, and again, WISE-v11. They war against the wicked, whether angels or men; Daniel 10:13,20.

5. Daniel's people shall suffer trouble in the latter days.
".....and there SHALL BE a time of trouble, such as NEVER was since there was a nation even to that same time..." Daniel 12:1 We see these words again in Matthew 24 spoken by the Lord Jesus. We cannot go there now, but will only say this: Those words have reference to the time just before Christ’s coming back to this world the second time. 70 A.D. doctrine taught by so many, DOES NOT FIT into Matthew 24, that so many try to force there. There WILL be a GREAT TRIBULATION time just before this world ends.

 

[Red Baker]

Continue~DANIEL 11 INTRODUCTION CONSIDERATIONS TO HELP US.......

6. Daniel's people SHALL be DELIVERED. Daniel 12:1....Daniel's people shall be delivered, but that does not mean that they will not be tried; they will be tried and overcome by MYSTERY BABYLON the great; Just as they were in the days of Daniel. The saints left in this earth at the end of the little season, will be overcome by mystery Babylon the great, but will NEVER be DESTROYED, but will be delivered by the coming of the Lord Jesus.

"....the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In FALMING FIRE taking vengeance on them that know not God, and obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ." 2 Thessalonians 1:-7-9

"And they went up on the breadth of the earth, compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: (the city of wrath is Babylon) and FIRE came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." Revelation 20:9

Our final deliverance is sure, nevertheless during the little season there will be a period of great suffering and rejecting for God's elect.
"And some of them of UNDERSTANDING SHALL FALL, to try them, and to PURGE, and to make them WHITE, (same as what is said in Daniel 12:10!) even to the TIME OF THE END: because it is yet for a time appointed." Daniel 11:35

...but the people (Daniel's people) that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: (this is what we are laboring to do) yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days." Daniel 11:32-33

These things just mentioned can happen in a spiritual sense as well as literal. There is more..

"Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a LITTLE HELP: (there will be only a few that will really understand and follow the truth. One will not have many to help them in that day!) but MANY (religious people that are deceived) shall cleave to them with FLATTERIES.” If a man allows another person to use a flattery tongue with him, he is allowing himself to be deceived. When you are being flattered by someone, then you will not be able to see pass that flattering tongue!

7. At the time that these things reach their pinnacle; at the end of the TIME OF TROUBLE, then the resurrection of all men will take place.
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." Daniel 12:2

We know how some are bold enough to explain these verses away, but they are easy to understand and should NOT present a problem to God's saints.

"Sleep in the DUST of the EARTH"...is a perfect picture of death and what happens at death. Those (some will be alive at the resurrection) ALL that sleep in the dust of the earth will AWAKE! Some to eternal life and some to eternal damnation.

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which ALL in the graves (dust of the earth in Daniel) shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." John 5:28-29
Almost the exact words from Daniel 12:2, which had to be where our Lord got his words from that he spoke in John 5:28-29. As the son of man, he only spoke what he knew from the Old Testament scriptures.

8. We will add this one more thing before Daniel chapter eleven. The angel that shewed Daniel the truth of chapter eleven, told Daniel to “SHUT UP” the words, and “SEAL THE BOOK;” by that statement I take those words from the angel to mean this: that the words WILL BE SHUT UP AND SEALED BY GOD. Let us consider these words.
"But thou, O Daniel, SHUT UP the words, and SEAL the book, EVEN TO the TIME OF THE END: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." Daniel 12:4

In the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, we read: "And he saith unto me, Seal NOT the sayings of the prophecy of this book: the TIME is at HAND." Revelation 22:10

There is a part missing in the book of Revelation that is in Daniel 12:4!

Many shall run to and fro, and KNOWLEDGE SHALL BE INCREASED!

Daniel's prophecy was SHUT UP and SEALED to the TIME OF THE END. AT the END of this world, the God of heaven will increased knowledge IN THE WORD OF GOD for his people concerning the THINGS which are written therein to PREPARE them for those EVIL DAYS that are coming!

From Jesus Christ to the end of this world, we are in the LAST DAYS. The LATTER DAYS of the last days will be the LITTLE SEASON of the book of Revelation!

I have heard Daniel 12:4, misinterpreted every time someone quotes from it. The knowledge that they think will increase will be the intelligent level of natural men!

They need to read the verse very careful. The first part of the verse explain the second part!

It does not concern me too much when I read the church fathers and see how far they are off on many end time teachings or they just did not write too much on them, either way, I understand WHY, and so should you, after reading Daniel 12:4 carefully and with understanding.

 

[Red Baker]

DANIEL CHAPTER ELEVEN

The angel is ready to shew Daniel the truth of his vision. "And now will I shew the truth." Daniel 11:2 ...The angel was going to shew Daniel NO MORE than what was ALREADY hidden in the scripture of truth. Daniel 10:21

When one considers Daniel chapter eleven and a few summary verses in chapter twelve that give a little light on eleven, then it makes you appreciate the New Testament, where more light is given to us.

When we are finished with chapter eleven of Daniel's prophecy, our doctrine MUST be the SAME as what the angel said he was going to shew Daniel.

"Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the LATTER DAYS: for the vision is for MANY DAYS." Daniel 10:14 The angel interprets the latter days and many days, to means AT THE TIME OF THE END. Daniel 12:9 We have Already revealed WHO are DANIEL'S PEOPLE! We will not repeat ourselves with this point.

We are not going to interpret every little word, we are only after the overall message of this chapter. The Old Testament books written by the prophets are not written like New Testament gospels/letters/books. In the writings of the prophets, ever word is not essential to interpret in order to understand what the prophet is saying or teaching overall. I am not saying that every word is not essential; but only not essential to interpret in order to have a understanding of what the prophet is teaching.

I am going to give you what we believe is the truth in Daniel eleven and then bring out some of the important verses in this chapter to prove our understanding of this chapter.

There are TWO KINGS in this chapter that MUST BE IDENTIFIED by using the scriptures; our interpretation MUST flow with Daniel 12 and agree with it. It MUST agree with New Testament scriptures. By giving our readers our understanding from the start should help them to follow us as we labor to prove our position.

We believe that this chapter is teaching the SAME TRUTH we saw in Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel. The SAME TRUTH we will see CLEARLY in Revelation 17 and 18. Here the angel who was speaking to Daniel used King of the North and the King of the South, instead of using the word Babylon and dividing them as the angel in Revelation did with the apostle John.

Even though the head of Satan was BRUISED at the CROSS; and the POWER of his kingdom BROKEN throughout the earth; the mystery of iniquity was STILL at work; MANY antichrist still in the world; the man of sin still very active. MAN OF SIN is a MAN who LIVES under the power of SIN. The mystery of iniquity WORKS through AND in a man who serves sin. This man of sin is a ANTICHRIST; at the END OF TIME, a time appointed by God Himself, he will FILL the earth and the outward churches of Christ. These are the TWO KINGS we see in Daniel chapter eleven.

The King of the north represents the MEN OF THIS WORLD whose God is, the God of FORCES; he honors a god his fathers knew not, gold, silver, precious stones, and PLEASANTS THINGS, and that many!

"Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom HE SHALL ACKNOWLEDGE and INCREASED with glory:
(a god that he himself builds and worships! It is: THIS WORLD and the things within it that he LOVES and LIVES for, that he himself has built, to SERVE HIM and HIS LUST!) and he shall cause them (strange god) to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain." Daniel 11:39

These strange gods DO rule the men of this world and they ALL have a piece of the pie, to serve their ungodly lust.

He magnify HIMSELF above ALL. He has NO DESIRE FOR Women, ( which could only mean, that he has no desire for RELIGION! ) He puts HIMSELF above all and does not believe anyone is as wise a MAN. The DEVIL has given this king his throne and power, He has the mark of the devil in his forehead and in his right-hand! HE WILL destroy the king of the south at the END OF TIME. But a GREATER KING and LORD shall destroy him and his army and none shall help him; not even the devil who deceived him in believing that he was above every god! This king hates the righteous and shall make war with them and overcome them. But Michael the great prince that standeth for them, shall deliver them.

King of the south is the religious part of Babylon. "The king's daughter of the south"...We will see more of this in Revelation 17. The Holy Spirit did give us a hint about these two kings when he referred to the king's daughter that went to the king of the north to make agreement. But in verse 10 we read of "his sons" referring the king of the north assembling a multitude of great forces. The men of THIS WORLD have MEN as their leaders for the most part; thereby, we read: "his sons;" the church in the scriptures is always referred to as a WOMAN. more than one, daughters and sister.

These two are a MAJOR part of this world system called BABYLON, that has been here since Abel and Cain and will come to fruition at the END OF TIME. BOTH are God's enemies, thereby, the saints enemies. Both are part of the generation of the wicked, whose father is the devil. They are a generation of vipers from that old serpent. Psalm 12; Matthew 3:7; 23:33-36

These two kings have been at war at times, and at other times, they have enjoyed FALSE PEACE between them. They BOTH are OUT for themselves. They BOTH are OUT to do away with true worship. BOTH use FLATTERIES freely to deceive their followers and each other.

Verse 5.."And the king of the south shall be strong, and one of his princes; and he shall be strong above him, and have dominion; and his dominion shall be a great dominion." This could mean the "POPE" but I do not know this; but it seems to be a perfect fit. Catholicism is a MAJOR part of FALSE RELIGION in BABYLON! She is the greatest whore in Babylon. She has gotten rich spreading her legs for her lovers. The Pope is a PRINCE among them. But we know him as A MAN OF SIN. The ONLY time I have ever saw him excited was when that foul sodomite, Michael Jackson danced before him! Of course, this should not surprise anyone knowing their history.

We will look at some of these verses to help us to understand this chapter.

Daniel 11:2..is only mentioned to bring us to verse three and on our way to the TWO KINGS that shall occupy the whole chapter. The kings mention in verse two, have NO PART of understanding the chapter. Knowing who they are or not knowing them is of no profit of understanding the message behind this chapter. They are ONLY mentioned to get us to where we need to be, in order for us to get the truth of what the angel is going to reveal to us.

 

[Red Baker]

DANIEL CHAPTER ELEVEN ~finished with the OT

Daniel 11:3..."And MIGHTY KING shall stand up, that shall rule with GREAT DOMINION, and do according to his will." This verse DOES NOT tell us that this king came out of Grecia, which most believe. If we read carefully, we will see this mighty king is the king of the north. Reading verse 3, one can see that this mighty king was ALREADY HERE, for the scriptures do not reveal to us that he came out of any particular kingdom, but that he SHALL STAND UP...
The angel is careful to tell us..THAT SHALL RULE with great dominion, and do according to his will. The scripture does not say: AND SHALL BEGIN to rule. NO, that shall rule...To me there is a big difference. This king has always been here, but now will stand up to use his mighty power. (NOT ALMIGHTY)

But his power was BROKEN and divided toward the FOUR WINDS.

Verse 4...But as you read through this chapter there are ONLY TWO KINGS mentioned therein, not four! And for good scriptural reasons that we shall see.

Daniel 11:6.."And in the end of years THEY shall join THEMSELVES TOGETHER; FOR the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north (first time north is actually mentioned by that name; so we KNOW the mighty king in verse three is the king of the north) to make agreement."

So, in Daniel eleven, we have for the most part of the chapter, TWO KINGS.

Why did the angel use the phrase, king of the north to describe the men of this world who are in truth, NON-RELIGIOUS and whose portion is IN THIS WORLD ONLY? And, WHY did he use king of the south to describe the RELIGIOUS (not saints) people of this world, who destroyed the truth and fought against the saints from WITHIN?

The NON-RELIGIOUS men of this world RULE this world and all things therein, including religion. SO, as the NORTH is ABOVE the SOUTH as far as the four winds of this earth goes, so is the king of the north over the king of the south in the affairs of this world. The analogy is a perfect fit.

One can reads verses 3-30 and know that this cold war has been going on for years. We see it in the scriptures and in our own days, and our church fathers have told us of the same.

As one read through this chapter there are a few things that help us to see the truth behind these words recorded for us in this chapter.

The kings shall POLLUTE the temple where God is worshiped.

"...THEY shall pollute the SANCTUARY OF STRENGTH.." One king does it by being part of it, the other by only acknowledging the wicked within and not the righteous. They shall take away the daily sacrifice..that can be done, when the RIGHTEOUS are NO LONGER accepted within the sanctuary, by those within. ONLY the righteous offer up the ONLY sacrifice that is accepted by God, and they do it DAILY. But once they are gone, it can longer said to be done. They set up the ABOMINATION that maketh DESOLATE. More on this in the NT.

BOTH KINGS will be brought to DESOLATION, because of the ABOMINATIONS within their kingdom. Their ABOMINATIONS are recorded for us in verses 16-24 and 32-39 of Daniel eleven.

The king of the south is DESTROYED by the king of the north. "And at the TIME OF THE END shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horseman, and with many ships; and shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. He shall enter also in the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown:.." Daniel 11:40-41...

This is the same thing recorded in Revelation 17:16-18

Notice in Daniel 11:41 the last part pf the verse 41.."BUT these shall escape out of his hand, even EDOM, and MOAB, and the chief of the children of AMMON."

What should we understand by this saying? The NON-ELECT shall escape! The NON-ELECT are the king of the north and his people!
"BUT tidings (he hath BUT A SHORT TIME) out of the east and out of the NORTH (God's dwelling place) shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth WITH GREAT FURY to destroy, and utterly to make away many." Daniel 11:44 ....Revelation 12:12; 20:8-9

After he has destroyed the king of the south, he set his face AGAINST the GLORIOUS HOLY MOUNTAIN-verse 45..The HOLY people of God, that makes up GOD'S kingdom!

YET he (the king of the north) shall come to his END, and none shall help him. Revelation 18!

God's people will suffer much during the "TIME OF TROUBLE" of Daniel 11:30-45 and mentioned in Daniel 12: 1..during the time when the two kings of this world final days are coming to an end. It is the little season of Revelation and it is a time, times, and an half of Daniel 12:7; when the devil through his two kings shall scatter the power of the HOLY PEOPLE. Those two kings, who are the devil's servants, will not leave this world without showing their hatred for the holy people of God. We will see it clearly in Revelation, the Lord willing.

This is my understanding of this chapter, by this, I DO NOT claim to be perfect in my understanding, but do claim to have the "overall" truth, base on what is NOTED IN THE SCRIPTURE OF TRUTH. It flows with chapter 12 and with the rest of scriptures. We will be helped much by our Lord Jesus Christ’s own use of the book of Daniel and with The apostles Paul and John writings with this interpretation; and it will FIT with that which is noted there. I am not saying that we presented this chapter to where it is easy to understand. Many times one can labor to make it as simple as he can possibly make it, and still folk will have trouble following his teaching, or you could have done better making it easy to follow.

I try to be as honest as I can be in presenting God’s truth to you. God is our witness, we have NOT use any help or any man's opinion, but ONLY a open Bible before us as we wrote this paper; that being said; what we have put before our readers is NOT a doctrine defending any denomination, or a doctrine taught to us by man's views, such as:

The historicist: a view that appeals to man's intellect; a view that man believes he can "reason out" and make history FIT with the scriptures, instead of trusting the scriptures ALONE for truth and for its OWN interpretation.

The preterist: a view very close to the historicist, only these blind guides (there are different degrees of preterit’s view) are much more bold to pervert God's word. These men have taken most of the word of God OUT OF your hands and leave a child of God with no warnings to heed; no scriptures to read FOR YOU; there is very little for a child of God now living in the year of 2009, according to most of them.

The futurist is a literalist in the purest meaning of that word! These men and there are many, read their bibles like a man would read a newspaper. I started out in this group many years ago. I am thankful that God delivered us from this false teaching. Their teaching on the book of Revelation would a make a great movie for the science fiction lovers! Their books make good reading for the lovers of mystery (Tim Lehaye and Hal Lindsey). Their motto is: if the literal make sense, seek no other sense. They are void of the needed LIGHT to seek with. They do not know how to read the bible they hold in their hands as they make their way to hear another good science fiction story by Captain "Dr." Kirk from the book of Revelation.

Let us now move on into the New Testament to see if we can make the connection that is needed to reveal this MYSTERY.

We will consider Revelation chapters 17&18. There are many different angles we could continue in searching the scriptures to unfold this mystery of Babylon the great. There are so many different subjects that can be brought forth to go with this subject. There are so many different messages that can be introduced and expounded upon that would go with this. To name just a few:

The abomination of desolation, Daniel and Matthew 24; The man of sin, 2nd Thessalonians 2; The beast of Revelation 13; His mark, name, and image; This generation, of Matthew 24; The perilous times in the last day, 2nd Timothy 3:-4:5; The little season of Revelation 20:1-3,7-9; The great tribulation period of the last days at the end of time, Daniel 12; Matthew 24; Mark 13; and Luke 21; to name just a few.

For now, we only want to reveal the mystery, Babylon the great, with this paper; even though, these other subject are connected with them in many ways.

Have you ever heard a minister preach on a certain subject and then another one and then another; and after a while you say to yourself: he is actually preaching on the SAME thing, but using different sermon titles and different verses but the message is the same. You can do that with this subject.

 

[3 Resurrections]

I'll address those scriptures when I come to Revelation~I'm not complicating anything, I'm exposing a corruption by using scriptures from the OT prophets that we can interpret from the NT. The word of God is one cohesive whole of one truth concerning whatever subject is under consideration.

I put this paper together on Mystery Babylon by waking up in the middle of the night with different verses coming in got my mind, so I got up and begin putting this subject together concerning Mystery Babylon~and it even surprise me just how perfectly it all came together. I know the writing and grammar is bad, but, I did the best I could. You must looked past that to the truth. I'm pretty sure Peter and John who were fisherman writing skills were far below the Pharisees, unless they wrote as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Red, you are my dear brother in Christ, but you are so crippled by not knowing your history of the ancient empires of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome and their interactions with the "MIRY CLAY" kingdom of Israel which merged with the "iron" of the ancient Roman empire.

Daniel gave everyone in Daniel chapter 11 a prophetic synopsis of that whole intertestamental period, including the period of the Maccabees and their eventual victory when the temple was cleansed and rededicated. This is why Christ was present at that temple in the "Feast of Dedication" in the winter in John 10:22. The only reason there was such a feast was due to the Maccabees' victories over Antiochus' army. You are crippled in understanding that part of Daniel 11 if you don't know your history of those times, because Daniel predicted it all.

With your Amil-Idealist viewpoint, I can understand why you want to place a symbolic meaning on virtually EVERYTHING prophetic, but that is extremely unbalanced. It is leaving you way off in left field with your understanding of these things.

Even if I don't agree with your conclusions regarding everything you are posting here, wouldn't it all fit better in a blog format on this site? That way you could get all your points that you want to convey in a single uninterrupted presentation. Or at least transfer it all to a post with that dedicated theme so it won't get lost in the shuffle of a discussion of the tribulation period. You are doing yourself a disservice otherwise.

 

[TMSO]

That's the wrong application of the "days of vengeance", which was going to be a Great Tribulation period concentrated on the country of Judea. "There shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon THIS PEOPLE", Christ said. That was not all the people living in the whole world. That was in particular the land of Israel and the people of Israel who would be experiencing that "great distress". Vengeance was going to be exacted upon those who had been the "betrayers and murderers" of Christ, who had slain the prophets and servants of the Lord. It was also vengeance exacted upon the city Jerusalem which had brought about that persecution of God's prophets and servants during its history.

Some of God's elect were in the city of Jerusalem during its cataclysmic ending from AD 66-70. For those elect's sake, God shortened the days that it took to bring Jerusalem down.

Jesus is talking about the signs of the end of the age. That is, before entering the next age, the age of the New Heavens and New Earth. The disciples had a Jewish level understanding of eschatology. Jesus told them that there eschatology is not so much wrong, but the understanding is wrong. Their eschatology didn't include the first coming of Christ. Their eschatology only had one coming of the Messiah, and when the Messiah came, He would destroy Israel's enemies and bring in His kingdom in Jerusalem. (And the nations of the world would come to Jerusalem to worship God, etc. etc. This tribulation was supposed to be unlike any other.

Of course there is. I wouldn't write about the destruction of the entire Satanic realm in AD 70 if I hadn't found evidence for this from scripture.

Sorry, but Satan is alive and well, and you are wrong.

No, scripture never said the planet earth would be destroyed. Peter spoke of the earth (tes ges - meaning the land of Israel) which would be burned up along with the works in it. Judea's citites were definitely razed and / or put to the torch by the Romans in the years from AD 66-70, and the "works" such as the fabulous temple complex and the city of Jerusalem was laid level with the ground.

II Peter "10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and [c]its works will be [d]discovered." (NASB)

"10 and it will come -- the day of the Lord -- as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.

11 All these, then, being dissolved, what kind of persons doth it behove you to be in holy behaviours and pious acts?

12 waiting for and hasting to the presence of the day of God, by which the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved, and the elements with burning heat shall melt;

13 and for new heavens and a new earth according to His promise we do wait, in which righteousness doth dwell;

14 wherefore, beloved, these things waiting for, be diligent, spotless and unblameable, by Him to be found in peace,

15 and the long-suffering of our Lord count ye salvation, according as also our beloved brother Paul -- according to the wisdom given to him -- did write to you," (Young's Literal Translation)

I think Peter is very clear here. From the Lexicon: "1093 gḗ – properly, the physical earth;" 165 times it means planet earth. 2 times it means country. Peter is very clear. Especially because he says heavens and earth. That further defines it.

And scripture does teach a third bodily coming, which would also be a bodily coming just like Christ's second coming back in AD 70; which was from heaven, and also visible at that time to those who pierced Him.

That is His second coming. Scripture never speaks of a third. The young men told the disciples Jesus is coming again, exactly how He left. Visible and from heaven down to Earth.

 

[Red Baker]

REVELATION CHAPTER 17-MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

The main reason we started with the Old Testament and worked our way to Revelation 17 is this: Stephen in the NT did the same; Acts 7:17-39. Doing so in this manner allows the reader to follow the unfolding of God hidden mysteries.

We thought it would be easier to understand Revelation 17&18 after explaining the OT scriptures that are connected with these two chapters in Revelation. Let us now consider these two chapters.

Revelation 17:1....Tells us plainly that what is recorded in this chapter is dealing with the judgment on the great whore...who is part of the great Mystery of Babylon the great, she is not the fulfillment this mystery, only a part of its mystery.

The angel said that this whore sitteth upon many waters. Verse 15, tells us: "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." So far no problem, the false churches had infiltrated, multitudes of nations and tongues~there are around 220 nations in this world, every nation has drunk of this woman's' golden cup.

This whore had committed fornication with people from every nations under heaven. She had not committed fornication with every person from every nation, but with people from every nation. Many were virgins in these nations under heaven.

"These are they which were not defiled with women; ( the world and the whore= Babylon...the whore being the religious part of Mystery Babylon ) for they are virgins~( spiritual virgins ) These follow the Lamb withersoever he goeth, these were redeemed form among men ( so these are ALL of the redeemed ) being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb." Revelation 14:4

Verse 2..."With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication.." The kings of the earth rolls the red carpet... ( not because they love her, because she is so large in multitudes, and it is just good politics to do so, and for no other reason ) ...out for this whore and take counsel from her and embrace her as their own...... They believe her lies and she believes their lies. Remember Daniel 11:27?

The harlot does not have the same spirit as John the Baptist: "But Herod the tetrarch being reproved by him for Herodias his brother Philip's wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done." Luke 3:19

We all know John the Baptist would not be invited to a prayer breakfast in Washington D.C., or to be a special guest on the Fox and Friends, CNN, etc.; those spotlights are reserved for the false prophets of Babylon, who in spirit agree with them on most things and there are many of them from the many different sects in Babylon.

They have their "astrologers, stargazers, and monthly prognosticators, along with the multitudes of false prophets;" (Isaiah 13:10-13) That cannot save them from the things that shall come upon them!

"....the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk ( or, seduced ) with the wine of her fornication." Not only has she committed fornication with the kings of the earth, through her love of power and the attention it brings with it, by fornicating with the powers that be; she has made the world ( all whose names were not written in the Lamb's book of life from the beginning of the world ) drunk with her promise of peace and life and liberty, while she and they are still living in their sins! Read 1st Kings 22:1-40; 2nd Peter 2 and the book of Jude.

Verse 3-5..."So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of the names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." Please consider a few points:

1. The woman in Revelation 17:4, sits upon the beast, or was carried by the beast, verse 7. ( which we will talk about shortly ) The woman of Revelation 12:13 was persecuted by the devil/dragon. Both lived in Babylon, one of Babylon, one persecuted by Babylon's king and his people. This woman of Revelation 17 was DRUNKEN with the BLOOD of SAINTS ( Revelation 17:6 ) and the martyrs of Jesus that lived there but refused to be part of them. These godly saints TORMENTED them that lived in Babylon, by their godly life and by the words that proceedeth out of their mouth. Revelation 11:5,10

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17

One of the tools that the devil uses to make war with the saints is his great whore, called Mystery, Babylon the great. This whore has other family members that are not religious, that we will see later!

2. This woman that is called Mystery, Babylon the great is only part of Babylon that GREAT CITY that the devil has built. It is only a small part of the whole. Just like the White House is not Washington, D.C., but part of that which makes up Washington, D.C. The major part of Babylon is found in Revelation 18.

3. This great whore is the RELIGIOUS part of this great city called Babylon. The devil has many of his children in religion to better war against the saints and the God of heaven. He has a great multitude outside of religion, and that number will increase at the very end, as we will see.

4. The devil's whore is very seductive with her wealth and social standing in Babylon.

The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls and she has a golden cup in her hand. Revelation 17:4

I am not convinced that these things should be taken literal; why should we, when we know that the beast, the woman and the waters are not literal? By literal I mean: monetary wealth; Some may be, many may not be.

This great whore deceived her followers ( 2nd Cor. 11:12-14 ) by the art of her seductions and sorceries and lies to allure her victims, and victims they are! What she had and what she offered to her followers in comparison to the those who kept the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, was like: gold, precious stones, and pearls to wood, hay and stubble, to those who saw her and heard her. But those who keep the commandments of God are kept from this whore;

"That they ( God's commandments ) may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words." Proverbs 7:5

She has the beautiful temples; with multitudes of followers, BUT, with no commitments; Christianity only a part of their life, instead of ALL of their life; I might need to add this: RELIGION might be part of their whole life for many of them; BUT, they have set the commandments of God aside for their OWN traditions; and they have corrupted the HOLY SCRIPTURES by refusing to preach what the Bible actually said, and have put their opinions/commandments in the place of THUS SAITH THE LORD. ( 2nd Thessalonians 2:4 )

They refuse to earnestly contend with the wicked; and speak out against those saints that do contend for the truth. They allow the wicked to set the standard for what is acceptable and what is not. There is no difference between them and the world; if there is any difference, it is very little. On and on we could go. You can add to the list just as easy as I could.

All natural men are impressed with a religion like this. Most men are willing to accept a religion that requires nothing from them, but their presence occasionally and their deep pockets often, and the more the better. What natural man would not love a religion like this whore offers ~ knowing that he can have eternal life and live according to his own fleshly desire, without committing his life totally to the word of God. They allure through the lust of the flesh with such things. 2nd Peter 2 and Jude.

5. She has a GOLDEN CUP in her hand. Who would not love to drink from this cup! This cup is one of her enticements that she uses on her followers. Men of this world think they are special if someone offers them a drink from such a cup.

What is within this cup reveals that she is a whore with every intention to destroy those who drink thereof!

"......having a golden cup in her hand FULL of ABOMINATIONS and FILTHINESS of her fornication." Revelation 17:4

This great whore does not only have a few abominations, but she is full of them, along with the filthiness of her fornication. These abominations that she is full of, will be the cause of her being made desolate by the kings of the earth; as they are being used by God, as his servants. ( verse 16 ) Just as God used Babylon of old and her kings to destroy Israel and her temple.

But very shortly afterwards, these kings and the rest of their people shall be destroyed by the Lord Jesus and his army. Revelation 19:11-21; 20:7-9. AMEN!

To be continue....

 

[Red Baker]

REVELATION CHAPTER 17-MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Part two....

Let us consider at this point in our teaching on this subject, what are some of the MANY ABOMINATIONS that are in this whore's golden cup that she has gotten the people of this world to drink of. They were MADE DRUNK with the wine of her fornication and by the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.

Was she ashamed? No! She boldly displayed her wickedness, by having on her forehead a name written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. There is nothing humble about this whore. The beast that carried this whore hath deceived her, yet she does not know she is deceived.

That is the very nature of deception, you do not know that you are deceived! The love of praise and being accepted by this world blinds us and takes away our power to know the truth and destroys a honest heart before God. There is nothing more sacred to an honest heart than truth; but that honest heart can be destroyed by our great enemy so quickly!

"...having a golden cup in her hand FULL of ABOMINATIONS," I am sure you can add to the list that we will give.


Before giving a list of some you will find in our day, we must make the proper connection from the Old Testament to the New concerning the word abomination. We will not give a long definition of the word as defined by the Spirit in the scriptures.

When the word abomination is used by the prophets, apostles and Jesus Christ in the scriptures, by its definition, means: that which is ABHORRENT to God that WILL bring total ruin or devastation. ANything in thought, word or deed that is against the HOLY, INFINITE PURE nature of the MOST HIGH. It can be summed up in the ten commandments given to Moses his servant; but, those commandments when understood properly, are exceedingly deep and broad in their scope and they are holy and just, good and spiritual.

In Daniel the prophet, we find the word used a few times: Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11; and in Daniel 8:13, we read: "......the transgression of desolation" instead of abomination of desolation in other places. So by that we understand that abomination is a transgression against God's express will to us concerning what he accepts or hates. If God hates anything, then he will bring it to total ruin and desolation.
Our Lord Jesus Christ perfectly understood Daniel's prophecy when he used the words abomination of desolation. Matthew 24:15..

"When ye therefore shall see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand" The Spirit said: whoso readeth, let him understand; the Spirit is speaking of whom ever reads Daniel’s words on the abomination of desolation let him understand as he IS HEARING OR READING WHAT IS IN MATTHEW 24! Christ is NOT SAYING by understanding Daniel you will understand Matthew 24. NO! As I once heard a minister say in order to support his Historical position of Bible prophecy.

Matthew 24 is a COMMENTARY on the BOOK OF DANIEL! Furthermore, we have two words that are very important for us in Mark 13:14..

"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,)" again, as you read this, then you need to understand what this means!

Matthew 24 said that he is in the holy place and Mark 13 said it ought to be there!

Our Lord would never refer to the temple in Jerusalem holy forty years after his death! That's unthinkable and abominable to even consider that he would; he knew that the temple in Jerusalem had served its purpose and was not needed anymore and neither was Jerusalem needed to be the city to worship in ~ see John 4:21-22.

The only two places that was holy to God and to saints after the death of Christ are the churches of Christ and the body of believers. You should know the scriptures to follow this simple teaching.

The abomination that is in the holy place in our day that we should see abominations abounding, is recorded for us in 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-12. Here he is called the man of sin. What is recorded in verse 4.... "Who OPPOSETH and EXALTETH himself ~ ( man of sin is used as a collective pronoun, which means MANY; to prove this, see verses 10,11,12, the word THEM and THEY! The apostle changes the pronouns he and him to they and them, WITHOUT CHANGING THE SUBJECT and not only that, we know that it includes all of the wicked because of verses 10 and 11, which we will not quote but you should earnestly consider. )

Above ALL that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he AS GOD sitteth in the temple of God, (HOLY PLACE, where he OUGHT NOT) shewing himself that he IS GOD." …..Is also recorded in Daniel 7:25 and in Daniel 11:36. "And he shall speak great words AGAINST the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and THINK TO CHANGE times and laws: (God word) and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and dividing of time. And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall MAGNIFY HIMSELF (man of sin) ABOVE every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of god, and shall prosper till indignation be accomplished: (the abomination of desolation) for that is determined shall be done.” Much of what is determined is found in Matthew 24 and Revelation.

To sum up what is in Daniel and Matthew 24; Mark13; Luke 21; 2Thessalonians 2; Revelation 11; 13; 17; and 18;

That, at the time of the end of the world, the latter days of this world, know as the "little season” of Revelation; the MAN OF SIN shall rule in the HOLY PLACE; and we will add this: the world will be even MORE wicked than ever before; the reason why, will be that the Spirit of God will withdraw his power from hindering the mystery of iniquity from abounding.

At the end of the thousand years ( a time of totality that is determined by God and only known by him ) are expired Satan shall be loosed out of his prison and a great multitude of evil spirits loosed with him upon the world of proud reprobates that are in churches and out of them. Revelation 20:7-9; Revelation 9:1-11 ( the locusts are evil spirits loose upon the world for five months or a little season ) The world shall abound with false prophets and false cults, called the great whore of Revelation 17.

To be continue....

 

[TMSO]

So called evangelicals and Fox news do not dictate my understanding of bible prophecies ~ the Jewish apostles of the New Testament do.

I'm heading above to answer your other post.

So you will deny all the warnings given to watch and be ready? Cool.

 

[TMSO]

Antichrist is spiritual in nature, not a literal, single, superman, the devil incarnate as man, as the deceived evangelicals teach. By saying this, I'm not judging their love for God, or, their eternal salvation, but I can judge their doctrine and we should test every spirit with the testimony of God's holy word. God will separate the goats from the sheep, he didn't call us to do his work concerning that work of knowing the true hearts of all men.
Now, concerning 1st John 2:18 which you are misquoting by adding "the" you are limiting its meaning to stand one person instead of for a class or number of individuals.

The antichrist will be physical in nature, for he is anti-Christ, and Christ is spiritual in nature. One belief is that this person will die/appear to die, and Satan, who does not have the power to resurrect, will possess this person, making it appear that the person resurrected.

Do you see the article "the" in front of antichrist, of course you do not see it, for it is not there, you and others are adding it there to support a doctrine not taught in the scriptures?

It doesn't need to be there. John was very clear in the distinction between the one he is calling antichrist, and the ones he says are simply antichrists. This will be the lawless one who is restrained until now.

The Holy Ghost did not say "the" antichrist, as one, but antichrist shall come, even as many had in John's days, but so many more will come during the little season of Revelation 20 ~ the great tribulation period, which is strictly spiritual in nature ~ per Christ's teaching from Matthew 24.

That is not what scripture is saying. John actually said: "18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[d] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour." There is one that will be above them all. John makes a separation here between the one, and the many.

The majority of professing Christians in this world today are part of the antichrist spirit that was prophesied to come by Daniel, Christ, Paul and John. These folks stand in the temple of God, declaring that they are God ~ they do so, by boldly rejecting even the Lord that bought them, and decarle that he not only bought the church but every single person form Adam to the last soul, so, in that sense they reject the biblical atonement of Jesus Christ, but it does not stop there, they twist, perverts and corrupt doctrine after doctrine to where even men like Donald Trump and Joe Biden believe they are children of God while they live a life totally opposite of the word of God.

They are one of the antichrists, which means we are still only at the "even now" stage. The one who will truly stand in the face of Christ has yet to be revealed. This will be the one who makes a covenant with Israel. (Yes, Trump came to mind...) Let's see, they were signed in 2020, so just over 3 years ago.

Men deny Jesus Christ by rejecting clear teachings taught by Christ and his apostle, even within the temple of God where he is is supposed to be worship.

In the latter days of the last days, this spirit of antichrist shall arise within the professing churches throughout this world ~even to the degree, that the very elect will flee unto the mountains, and will warn other not to enter therein!

But this is still simply the "even now" part of I John. We are awaiting anti-christ (Considering that he uses the singular and plural version of the word in the same verse, some translations have the "the" as understood. English and Greek aren't the same.

 

[Red Baker]

REVELATION CHAPTER 17-MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Part three...

This allows us to continue on in Revelation 17 to better understand as we work our way through this chapter.

THE MANY ABOMINATIONS OF THE LAST DAYS

As evil spirits are legions, so are abominations in the churches and out of them.

1. GENESIS 13:13 ~"But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly."

Sodomy is abounding in this world, but not in the world only, but in churches! This is one of the abominations that is in the whore's golden cup. The Catholic church is FULL of sodomites. Forbidding men and women to marry, encourage this sin, even though it is in their heart to begin with, which is seen by the profession they have chosen. Only a very, very few have that calling to forebear marriage. It is against nature to do so. Sodomy is by no means limited to the Catholic church, it is in other churches. I wonder what is going through their wicked minds as they read Jude 7: "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cites about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

2. LUKE 16:15~ "And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is HIGHLY ESTEEMED among men is abomination in the sight of God." The churches are full of men would who rather seek to be accepted before men, than to seek praise that comes only from heaven. If the world loves you and accepts your opinions and teaching, then you are an abomination in God sight, and these are not my words, but God's.

I could name thousands of false prophets that are highly esteemed by MULTITUDES of simple minded ( I am using the word just the way king Solomon did in his proverbs ) followers and the world likewise accepts them as bright successful religious “SUPERSTARS;” and if they need spiritual advice, they would seek them out. The men of the world do not know where wisdom is found. It is not in the “smiles of Joel Osteen!" Nor is it at Harvard, Yale or any school that may be considered the elites of higher learning. The wisdom we are speaking of is far above those fools who reject their Creator and exalt their wisdom above Him.

3. MATTHEW 15:7-9 ~ "Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me, In vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
v8~"For LAYING ASIDE THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD, ye hold to the tradition of men, as washing of pots and cups: and MANY other such things ye do." v9 "And he said unto them, FULL WELL ye REJECT the commandment of God, that ye may keep your OWN tradition." v13~"Making the word of God of NONE EFFECT through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and MANY such things do ye."

The Catholic church is by far the most guilty of these scriptures we just read; But, many other churches in Babylon are just as guilty.

They have their "touch not; taste not; handle not; go not; be not; have not; see not;" and on and on we can go. God's saints live by the word of God, we must not add to it or take from it, in order to please self and serve self. If the scripture condemns anything, so do we, if the scriptures are silent on a given thing, so are we. If we cannot find it in the Bible, then we do not hold to it as a commandment of God, and we refuse to accept it as such. NO ONE has the right to teach for doctrine, what they cannot support from the scriptures. That would be standing in the holy place and exalting your wisdom above God's word. WHY would one do that? He is a MAN OF SIN that does so. A MAN OF SIN is any man who lives under the POWER OF SIN, through the spirit of disobedience that lives in him.

4. REVELATION 2:7 and verse 15 "But this thou hast, that thou HATEST the DEEDS of the Nicolaitans, which I ALSO HATE."
"So hast thou also them that hold THE DOCTRINE of the Nicolaitans, which thing I HATE."

What was FIRST just DEEDS of the Nicolaitans quickly turned to be THE DOCTRINE of the Nicolaitans! A few things to consider: If God hates anything, then it is abomination in his sight! It is said twice within chapter two of Revelation, that God HATED the DEEDS and later the DOCTRINE of the Nicolaitans. This should get any Christian attention who cares what pleases his God and not what pleases self or others.

If we read your Bibles the only way we should, then we must ask ourselves: why did the Spirit say deeds in verse 6 and doctrine in verse 15? There is a big difference between deed and doctrine. Deeds can be defined as, WHATEVER is DONE, good or bad, great or small....... "And Joseph said unto them, What DEED is this that ye have DONE?....Genesis 46:15 Doctrine can be defined in a general sense, whatever is taught; whatever is taught AS TRUTH by an instructor, master, or TEACHER. Instruction and confirmation in the truths of the gospel. 2nd Timothy 3:16; Mark 4:2; Isaiah 28:9

By definition, we understand what the word Nicolaitans means: To CONQUER the lay people. NICO-to conquer; LAITAN-laity.
We have a man in the scriptures that we all know well, and his name is : NICOdemus, John 3:1-21. His name fit his title: MASTER of Israel, verse 10. The Nicolaitans were men who by their evil deeds sought to have "preeminence over the saints," and it was rejected by the church at Ephesus shortly after the apostles! The apostles, early saints, Christ and God Himself hated this evil deed by some.

The apostle John said, "I wrote unto THE CHURCH: BUT Diotrephes, who LOVETH to have PREEMINENCE among them, receiveth us not. Wherefore, if I come, I will remember HIS DEEDS which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and FORBIDDETH (as though he had that right) them that would, and casteth them OUT OF the church." 2nd John 9-10 This man was doing some evil deeds by placing himself ABOVE other members within the CHURCH. He most likely was a elder/bishop of that church, but wanted to have ALL CONTROL OVER the BODY.

The apostle even in this short epistle never mentioned a person by name that would be OVER THEM. His epistle was directed to the CHURCH, NOT to a single man. NO CHURCH EPISTLE in the New Testament was written to a SINGLE bishop/elder/pastor.

The word PASTOR in our day is used freely by most as describing a single man over a body of saints. The word is NEVER used in the scripture in that way. Pastor is NOT an office of the New Testament church. NO ONE can prove that. The word "describes" the duties of a elder/bishop which ARE a office in the New Testament church. We will also add, that NEVER one time is there a instance where we have a church where there is a SINGLE man over it in the scripture. I must move on. There are some honest, sincere, God fearing children, who hold and practice this, but it is still against the scriptures.

In our day most churches are guilty of the DEEDS/DOCTRINE of the Nicolaitans. The Catholic church as in most cases lead the way, with their "TIER of authority" within their church. Their practices are a great abomination in God's sight.

But, we must not stop with that whore, for there are more; Most churches have their "priest/laity" two class system, where they exalt ONE above the rest and give him total rule in everything.

To be continue...

 

[TMSO]

Countless NT quotes of the OT exhibit a Christ-based reality fulfilling an OT prophecy. "The temple he was speaking of was his body." "Elijah was John the baptizer--if you can accept it." "The Seed refers to one person, not many people" (Gal 3).

And on the other hand, many "literalists" about Dan 9 insist that the atonement of 9:24 cannot be the Gospel and that there is a 2nd atonement just for the Jews, and that the 70 weeks must be interrupted by an additional break (besides the one at the 7th week) so that there can be "literal" fulfillment in our future. This departs radically from the ordinary sense of the thing and its description of the destruction of Jerusalem in the generation of Messiah.

Actually, it is due to Paul and what he wrote in Romans. And no, it isn't some second atonement. It is God finally dealing with His chosen people by saving them all. And, quite visibly, it is through Christ. It even says that they recognize Him whom they have pierced. So, even here, salvation for the Jews is still in Christ. This is Paul in Romans coming full circle. The Jews acted in disobedience and rejected Christ. The Gentiles were once disobedient, but were obedient in accepting Christ. Paul says that the Jews will ultimately be saved by the obedience of the Gentiles. He puts it clearly in saying that God had wrapped up everyone in disobedience, so that he could have mercy on all. (Not some, not only the Gentiles, but the Jews as well.) The Jews were "obedient" in the acceptance of the law, even when they could not fulfill it.

The break in Daniel's 70 weeks (even recognized in the early church) is the times of the Gentiles that Paul speaks of. After that is done, God deals with Israel, and saves His elect from Israel. (This does not mean that there are no Jews coming to salvation today. However, God is going to deal with the Nation of Israel, within which God has a remnant, and has always had a remnant.