What is the supernatural virtue of hope?

[donadams]

here is a difference between being baptized in water in the name of Christ, and being baptized into Christ


Just what all is required for salvation? What did John 3:16 miss?

According to Christ and Paul the holy Eucharist 1 cor 10 & 11 & Jn 6

According Luther the perpetual virginity of Mary is an article of faith and articles of faith are required for salvation there are 12 listed in the apostles creed!

Martin Luther

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)


The Apostles Creed!

I believe in one God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried; he descended to hell. The third day he rose again from the dead. He ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty. From there he will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.

 

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Faith and baptism

What happens if a soldier in a foxhole is witnessed too and gains the faith to believe in Jesus as his Lord and Savior...but is killed when they climb out of the foxhole?

Too bad for them...right? Considering they didn't close the salvation loop with baptism.

 

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Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)

Thanks

You just can't top to the bible and cut and paste every verse that mentions baptism. Water baptism isn't the only form of baptism mentioned in the bible. from what I understand there are 7 types of baptism. You do know that?

Then again you posted...
Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water......do you think the water you were baptized with was "pure"...was it ran those some sort of reverse osmosis filter to make it pure?

 

[donadams]

What happens if a soldier in a foxhole is witnessed too and gains the faith to believe in Jesus as his Lord and Savior...but is killed when they climb out of the foxhole?

Too bad for them...right? Considering they didn't close the salvation loop with baptism.

If a requirement is not possible it is not required but if he survives and can be baptized but reject baptism then he is lost!

 

[donadams]

You just can't top to the bible and cut and paste every verse that mentions baptism. Water baptism isn't the only form of baptism mentioned in the bible. from what I understand there are 7 types of baptism. You do know that?

Then again you posted...
Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water......do you think the water you were baptized with was "pure"...was it ran those some sort of reverse osmosis filter to make it pure?

There is only saving Christian sacrament “promise” of baptism in Christ! Eph 4:5

I have extensive notes that I copy from there is just too much info to remember
Thanks

 

[donadams]

You just can't top to the bible and cut and paste every verse that mentions baptism. Water baptism isn't the only form of baptism mentioned in the bible. from what I understand there are 7 types of baptism. You do know that?

Then again you posted...
Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water......do you think the water you were baptized with was "pure"...was it ran those some sort of reverse osmosis filter to make it pure?

Pure water is fresh water as opposed to salt water

 

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If a requirement is not possible it is not required but if he survives and can be baptized but reject baptism then he is lost!

"If a requirement is not possible it is not required "...now you're making stuff up. Where does the bible teach this?

 

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Pure water is fresh water as opposed to salt water

Where does the bible teach this?

Once again you seem to be making stuff up.

 

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There is only saving Christian sacrament “promise” of baptism in Christ! Eph 4:5

I have extensive notes that I copy from there is just too much info to remember
Thanks

I agree....One baptism....as Gills puts it....but there is but one baptism, literally and properly so called, which is water baptism; and which is to be administered in one and the same way, by immersion in water; and on one and the same subjects, believers in Christ; and in one and the same name, the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and to be performed but once, when rightly administered.

There is also only one Lord as well as just one faith. I'm not quite sure why or how you got to this being a sacrament. Then again you have demonstrated the ability to add to biblical teachings as demonstrated in my last two replies to you.

 

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Before.....at the beginning of the tribulation period.

Of course you didn't answer the question.....how is what was described...sun blackened...stars falling....likened to the way Jesus left?

First must be the great of general apostasy!

A universal apostasy not like the regional apostasy of Luther and the revolt of the 1600’s

 

[donadams]

"If a requirement is not possible it is not required "...now you're making stuff up. Where does the bible teach this?

It’s simple logic “if something is not possible it cannot be required

 

[donadams]

Where does the bible teach this?

Once again you seem to be making stuff up.

Ez 36:25
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

Clean pure water
The didache says living water is preferred, running water like a river
Jn 3:22

 

[donadams]

I agree....One baptism....as Gills puts it....but there is but one baptism, literally and properly so called, which is water baptism; and which is to be administered in one and the same way, by immersion in water; and on one and the same subjects, believers in Christ; and in one and the same name, the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and to be performed but once, when rightly administered.

There is also only one Lord as well as just one faith. I'm not quite sure why or how you got to this being a sacrament. Then again you have demonstrated the ability to add to biblical teachings as demonstrated in my last two replies to you.

Christian ritual of baptism:
Immersion, sprinkling, or pouring pure water over the forehead three time with the words, I baptize thee in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit! Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 Acts 2:38-39 Acts 8:36-38 Acts 22:16
1 Pet 3:21

Proper intention: to make a new creature in Christ, to put on Christ, initiation into the new covenant of grace, the act of justification.
Proper Matter: pure water
Proper Form: the words: I baptize you in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit.

We do not believe the false doctrine of the “Bible is the only authority”! But Christ who is truth and founded a church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! Matt 28:19

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 Jn 15:1 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

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[donadams]

Scripture Verses that contradict the “Bible is our ONLY AUTHORITY”!

Matt 5:14
Matt 13:11
Matt 18:17
Matt 28:19
Lk 1:4
Lk 10:16
Jn 8:32
Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21
Acts 1:8
Acts 2:42
Acts 8:26
Acts 8:31
Acts 18:25
Rom 10:15
1 cor 4:11
1 cor 11:23
1 thes 2:23
2 thes 2:15
Col 2:7
Eph 4:5
Heb 13:7
Heb 13:17
1 Tim 3:15
1 Jn 1:3-5
1 Jn 4:6
2 Jn 1:12
Jude 1:3

How can it be said scripture is “sole authority” or the only source of truth or the rule of faith when scripture says we must hear the church Matt 18:17 the apostles are the light of the world Matt 5:14 we must hold the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42 the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:15

And if “the Bible is the only authority” then there can be no authentic interpretation!

The doctrine of the “Bible alone” or the “Bible is the only source of authority” excludes the authority of God, Christ, and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the teaching authority of Christ in his apostolic church and the ministry of Angels!
Acts 8:26

 

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First must be the great of general apostasy!

A universal apostasy not like the regional apostasy of Luther and the revolt of the 1600’s

What verse or verses are you using to make that claim?

 

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Ez 36:25
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

Clean pure water
The didache says living water is preferred, running water like a river
Jn 3:22

Are you saying baptism must be by sprinkling and not immersion or some other form?

Secondly, why would one water be preferred over the other? Is this in the bible?

 

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Immersion, sprinkling, or pouring pure water over the forehead three time with the words,

So, if you didn't have the water poured over you three times...you are not saved?

 

[donadams]

What verse or verses are you using to make that claim?

2 thes 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

General apostasy

 

[donadams]

Are you saying baptism must be by sprinkling and not immersion or some other form?

Secondly, why would one water be preferred over the other? Is this in the bible?

Immersion, sprinkle, or pour are all valid if applied three times with the words I baptize you in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit,

Didache teaching of the apostles from 70ad
This is how you should baptize:

Having recited all these things, [the first half of the Teaching, "The Way of Life and the Way of Death"] baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, in running water. If you do not have running water, then baptize in still water. The water should be cold, but if you do not have cold water, then use warm. If you have neither, then just pour water on the head three times in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Both the one who is baptized and the one who baptizes should fast beforehand, along with any others who are able, the one that is baptized being told to fast for a day or two.

 

[donadams]

So, if you didn't have the water poured over you three times...you are not saved?

Invalid

Must have the correct
Intention:
Matter:
Form:


Proper intention: to make a new creation in Christ, to put on Christ, initiation into the new covenant of grace, the act of justification.
Proper Matter: pure water
Proper Form: the words: I baptize you in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit.