What is the supernatural virtue of hope?

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Baptism is not only required Mk 16:16 but the initiation into the new covenant

Then John 3:16 is wrong. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Or, should John 3:16 read as follows....For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him and is baptized in water should not perish but have eternal life.

Or perhaps Acts 2:22 should read....And it shall be that everyone who shall call upon the name of the Lord and is baptized in water will be saved.'

If baptism is a requirement...why isn't there a chapter in the bible describing how to do it and why to do it?

 

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Mk 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Jesus is speaking of the time of Jacobs trouble...the tribulation.

 

[donadams]

Then John 3:16 is wrong. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Or, should John 3:16 read as follows....For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him and is baptized in water should not perish but have eternal life.

Or perhaps Acts 2:22 should read....And it shall be that everyone who shall call upon the name of the Lord and is baptized in water will be saved.'

If baptism is a requirement...why isn't there a chapter in the bible describing how to do it and why to do it?

It is there, you just don’t understand it

Baptism is part of what we believe!

 

[donadams]

Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 eph 4:30 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

Only James 2:24 a man is justified by works and not by “faith alone”

2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

The Christian sacrament of baptism is the Initiation into the new covenant and must be ministered to you by the apostles!




If not faith and baptism then it must be “faith alone”! Not


“Faith alone” Questions

where does ez 36: 25:27 Say “faith alone”?

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Where does it say we are sealed by faith alone?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Ministered by the apostolic church!

2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

 

[donadams]

Jesus is speaking of the time of Jacobs trouble...the tribulation.

There is only one savior
One covenant
One means of salvation for all men and all times

 

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It is there, you just don’t understand it

Baptism is part of what we believe!

Yup, I believe in baptism....it's a public confession of ones belief in Jesus.

The bible has several examples of people being saved prior to baptism.....as well as people being saved who were not baptized.

 

[CrowCross]

There is only one savior
One covenant
One means of salvation for all men and all times

I don't disagree.

What you need to understand is that the christians will be raptured prior to the tribulation.

 

[donadams]

Yup, I believe in baptism....it's a public confession of ones belief in Jesus.

The bible has several examples of people being saved prior to baptism.....as well as people being saved who were not baptized.

Where does scripture say anything about a public confession???

No one can have any possibility of salvation without faith and baptism after the coming of Christ and the new covenant

 

[donadams]

I don't disagree.

What you need to understand is that the christians will be raptured prior to the tribulation.

No! Don’t say that

“Immediately after”! After!!!

Matt 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

No rapture period!

It’s an innovation of the 1800 ‘s Pentecostal nuts in the burned over district!

 

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Where does scripture say anything about a public confession???

In the early church, baptism was the public confession of Christ. It was also the point when a believer was taken seriously and when persecution became a real possibility. A person who said he believed but refused to be baptized would not have been taken seriously either inside or outside the church. ref

No one can have any possibility of salvation without faith and baptism after the coming of Christ and the new covenant

Where does the bible say that?

 

[CrowCross]

No! Don’t say that

“Immediately after”! After!!!

Matt 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This doesn't appear to be the rapture as when the rapture happens Jesus will return in the same way He left...or so Acts 1:11 says.
Jesus didn't leave in the conditions presented in Matt 24:29-31

No rapture period!

1 Thes 4:16ish strongly disagrees.

It’s an innovation of the 1800 ‘s Pentecostal nuts in the burned over district!

If you say so.

 

[donadams]

In the early church, baptism was the public confession of Christ. It was also the point when a believer was taken seriously and when persecution became a real possibility. A person who said he believed but refused to be baptized would not have been taken seriously either inside or outside the church. ref

Where does the bible say that?

Jn 3:5

 

[donadams]

This doesn't appear to be the rapture as when the rapture happens Jesus will return in the same way He left...or so Acts 1:11 says.
Jesus didn't leave in the conditions presented in Matt 24:29-31

1 Thes 4:16ish strongly disagrees.

If you say so.

If Matt 24 ain’t the rapture, when does the rapture happen? Before or after those events

 

[donadams]

This doesn't appear to be the rapture as when the rapture happens Jesus will return in the same way He left...or so Acts 1:11 says.
Jesus didn't leave in the conditions presented in Matt 24:29-31

1 Thes 4:16ish strongly disagrees.

If you say so.

Have you ever heard of the burned over district?

 

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Jn 3:5

Born of water??? Embryonic water?

 

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If Matt 24 ain’t the rapture, when does the rapture happen? Before or after those events

Before.....at the beginning of the tribulation period.

Of course you didn't answer the question.....how is what was described...sun blackened...stars falling....likened to the way Jesus left?

 

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Have you ever heard of the burned over district?

No. I have never heard of the burned over district.

 

[donadams]

Born of water??? Embryonic water?

You must be born again by water and the spirit!

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

(Key verse! Actions speak louder than words: verse 22)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!

 

[donadams]

Before.....at the beginning of the tribulation period.

Of course you didn't answer the question.....how is what was described...sun blackened...stars falling....likened to the way Jesus left?

Then why are the elect (Christians) still here after the tribulations of those days?

 

[donadams]

No. I have never heard of the burned over district.

An area of upstate New York where kooks and spooks (charismatic / Pentecostal) originated from in the 1800’s Joseph smith, Amy simple minded macphearson and other fundamentalist fire and brimstone types, they invented the rapture, it was never taught by Christ or his authoritative apostles

Those scriptures refer to the second coming
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