When did the first year start?
If you have the Eternal God outside of time, then there is no time-sequence, no beginning or ending, no succession, no past, present, and future, but only an Eternal Now.
That is 100%, absolutely, wholly, undeniably and irrefutably correct.
But that statement is not complete. You were specifically asked when the first year began and your answer leaves out the word "
year." It should read...
.
If you have the Eternal God outside of time, then there is no time-sequence, no beginning or ending, no succession, no past, present, and future AND NO YEARS, but only an Eternal Now.
And
that would mean your use of Psalm 90:4 is an abuse of scripture and a false equivalence fallacy. You have done exactly what I asked you not to do = do not take verses said in a post-disobedient world about temporal conditions and apply them to eternity. In eternity prior to creation
there is NO time-sequence, NO beginning or ending, NO succession, NO past, present, and future, AND NO YEARS!!! There are no measures of time. Time does not exist. Time is a created condition, a part of creation, not a part of eternity.
Outside Time
Eternal God __________________________________
Inside Time
If you have the Eternal God inside of time, then there is a continuous perpetual duration through, all the "ages" of time.
God does not exist "inside of time." God enters creation and when He enters creation, He enters time and space but He is not beholding in any way to that which He created. The Creator existed prior to His creating creation. He exists outside of that which He creates. If there were no creation God would still exist.
The appeal to "a thousand years," is an appeal to a created condition, a temporal condition, not an eternal one.
Stop using temporal conditions to define eternal conditions. Stop taking verses about temporal conditions and applying them to eternity. There are no years in eternity.
You say that it's not the same, but technically, its logically equivalent and the conclusion is the same.
No, it is not. NONE of that is true or correct.
It doesn't matter if God is inside or outside of time, he is still the same Eternal God.
It most certainly does matter. Prior to creation being created there was no time; there was only eternity.
The phrase "everlasting to everlasting" means eternal because it's ascribed to God and not some mountain or hill that still exist through the ages. It will eventually parish, but God won't and will remain the same since he is eternal.
It is ascribed to God relative to the temporal conditions of creation. Do you understand the word "
temporal" means "
relating to time"? A year is a measure of time! Time is how we measure cause and effect, the passage of one event to another.
God is The Uncaused Cause!!!
Right at the foundation of your thinking, your "doctrine," and your post is a fundamental flaw: the assumption time is relevant to God. Time is not relevant to God. Time is a created condition. It is an elemental component of creation. The moment God said, "
Let there be....." He created time. Prior to time's creation God existed and He existed extra-temporally, prior to and outside of time, prior to and outside of all that He created. You keep taking verses about time and space and applying them to non-time, non-space, not-temporal, non-spatial conditions.
So.....
I was asked to,
Present your Scriptural case for "the Father and the Son sitting on the same throne implies the Son is not eternally subordinate."
And I have done so.
I asked you when God's throne first existed and that question has not been answered. I did get and answer to the problem of using Psalm 90:4 so I have used what you did answer to prove the same throne is not eternally subordinate. God's throne is not JUST temporal. The heavens are His throne. His throne, or rule, or sovereignty pre-exists the creation of the heavens and the earth. He created the heavens and the earth because He was first, a priori, sovereign and almighty. The Father is the Creator. Jesus is the Creator. Prior to creating creation the Father is sovereign and almighty. The Son is sovereign and almighty. They sit ono the same "
throne" at a time when there is no throne other than their sovereign existence.
The Bible is filled with comparisons made between God and Jesus. Scripture describes Jesus with the attributes of God scores of occasions. They are all statements of ontology. Every single one of them would be blasphemous if untrue.
Prior to creation the description of the sSon is that Jesus is what God is - outside of creation and inside of it....... but teleologically Jesus took on a subordinate role to manifest God's salvation.
If this is not sufficient then answer the question asked:
When did the "throne" of God first exist?
