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Was Adam imparted free will from the beginning of Creation?

True enough.. but if God has given you saving faith then He has also given you something to believe in which, if you don't believe those particular facts then that it would indicate you are not saved. There is much disagreement on what the 'essential facts' are. Some people don't even think one has to know of Jesus to be saved for example.
I agree completely with that, but I keep getting halted, when I want to say that one's worldview is changed at regeneration, because my own relatives lived their whole lives and died basically Wesleyan/Fundamentalist/Arminianistic/Dispensationalist/Self-deterministic in POV, yet when they prayed, they sounded Calvinistic! Still amazes me. And I am more than confident that I will see them in Heaven (If *I* even make it, lol).
 
So, why did your "autonomous will" chose to have a sin nature?
The same reason as you, me, and Lucifer, Adam, and every other angel and man that has sinned against God:

Isa 14:12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Jas 1:14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


By choosing to lust against Him, rather than love Him with the pure heart created by Him for all angels and men.

Rev 4:11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

The true Creator's will is for all His creatures to please Him, and all His natural creations do so by law of nature, but the angels and men created with His autonomous will, can choose contrary to their Creator to lust and displease Him.

Deu 5:29O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!...O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!

Only a foolish and hypocritical Christ would willingly create men with lust to sin against Him, and then bemoan himself why those same men choose to lust and sin against Him.

Ezek 18:31Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

And so, we see that the true Christ and Creator of all men in His image, does not Himself know why any man would ever concieve in ourselves to lust against Him to our own destruction. There is no sense in it, nor justification for it, but is only the lusting nature of sin.

What makes matters worse is proud and vain men thinking to answer the unanswerable for themselves. They proceed to make up damnable doctrines of their own to explain what God Himself cannot explain. Predeterminism and being born with lust against God is two lies that accuse Jesus Christ Himself of predestinating and creating angels and men to lust after themselves, rather than to please Him.

Jhn 1:8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Not only is every man created in the good image of Christ, but every babe coming into the world is lightened to seek and love God and man. And yet for all this men still choose to corrupt their pure hearts created by Christ with lust of their. Which makes even less sense of the good and righteous Lord, faithful angels, and holy saints.

Scripture only reveals how angels and men by autonomous will choose the lusting nature of sin, but no man knows why, because God Himself does not.
 
Re: So, why did your "autonomous will" chose to have a sin nature?
You said you had an "autonomous will" ... "autonomous is define has "having the freedom to govern itself or control its own affairs".

Your answer:
By choosing to lust against Him, rather than love Him with the pure heart created by Him for all angels and men.
You did not answer the question. (I'm not surprised.) Choosing to lust against Him is the result of your will. I asked what was the cause of your will. Why did you chose to have a sin nature? Why did you chose to "lust against Him"? You said you have an "autonomous will" so your will is uninfluenced. Why did you chose to sin based on your uninfluenced will? What was the cause of your choice.

Aside: I know you won't answer the question as posed but I will give you one more shot.

Note: A person is created from an empty slate with no desires to do this or that so it is impossible to program your own will. Someone had to create you and your spirit (will). Nothing, which is what you were, cannot create itself.
 
Was Adam imparted free will from the beginning of Creation?
Nope:

Romans 9:19-20 (KJV) Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Applies to Adam as well.
 
Why don't you use your "autonomous will" to eliminate your sin nature?
Mat 22:29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Have you not heard why sinful men need a Redeemer? How man by will alone cannot cleanse lust from our own heart?

Jhn 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

By power of free will alone, man can do good deeds or evil, as well as repent of any and all outward works we choose, but no man can repent of his own inward lust:

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Once the heart of man willfully concieves lust against God, the heart is become desperately, incurably corrupted toward God.

That is why the old heart of lust must be replaced with a whole new clean heart by the good Creator Jesus Christ.

Eze 28:15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

The law could forgive the deeds, but not make a new heart. The blood of bulls and goats could sprinkle the flesh, but not the conscience:

Heb 9:12 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Col 2:10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:


Eze 36:26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Autonomous will of angels and men is power to choose to love God from a pure heart, or to conceive lust. But once lust is wilfully concieved in the heart, autonomous will does not have power to purge the courrpted heart and choose another pure heart for oneself.



Why did 100% of 8,000,000,000 people living today all use their "autonomous will" to chose to have a sin nature?
The unanswerable question, that God does not know why. By Scripture we only can know how: By choosing to lust for ourselves rather than to love God.

And just because every man has chosen to lust and sin in the world, does not mean any man is created to do so by Jesus Christ. Argumentum ad numerum


 
The unanswerable question, that God does not know why.
Excuse me????? God doesn't know why?????? Please please demonstrate this from Scripture.
 
But once lust is wilfully concieved in the heart, autonomous will does not have power to purge the courrpted heart and choose another pure heart for oneself.
Hey, we agree on something. But saying that the autonomous can't choose to be pure once corrupted shows your statement: that we have an autonomous to be false. Since all are born in sin, no one has an autonomous will.



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My Question: So why did you and 100% of billions of other chose to do evil if they have an autonomous will? Simply question. Why do you desire to do evil at times?

The unanswerable question, that God does not know why.
AH ... you're concept of God believes God does not know all things. Interesting ... got to wonder how God can make prophecies so accurately given He is not all knowing. Do you have a verse saying God does not know all things.
How do you explain: Job 37:16 who is perfect in knowledge

.... If God doesn't know why people desire to commit evil then I have to assume you do not also.
 
Define "autonomous" as you use it here.
Autonomous will to act against God and nature.

Pro 1:29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

The natural man denies being created in the image of God, and makes man the same as brute beasts.

2Pe 2:12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Denying man's autonomous will given by God, must also deny being created in the image of God, or that God's autonomous will is not part of His image. Ad absurdum.

Or, that God has no autonomous will Himself.

Even if you want to claim that God made us in his image and THEREFORE we too are autonomous,
Unless God has no autonomous to create man with in His image, or His autonomous will is not in His image.


it is still CAUSED, in every detail.
It is caused by being created in God's image. No one is arguming against God being the Creator of all things in heaven and earth.

There is no such thing as causation by chance,
True. God creates all things in heaven and earth.

Jhn 1:2The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Rev 4:11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.


nor can there be more than one completely autonomous being.
Then man is not created in the image of God, which is unbelief of the natural man.

Gen 1:2 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Or, the image of God is separate from God's autonomous will, which is ad absurdum.

Or, God has no autonomous will Himself, which is more unbelief:

Gen 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth...And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

If you think you can ever do anything that God did not plan specifically in every detail,
Here we have the lying delusion of predeterminism: Man is not responsible for what he does, because man is created and made to do it.

If God creates any man with the unchangeable will to do evil, then when God judges the man by his works, He is judging Himself as the Creator of evil doers.

Which is of course the evil Christ being preached by predestinators, that seek to justify themselves as only doing what God created them to do.


then you think God depends on you
God does not depend on anyone to create man in His own image, because He is before all things.




, and not the other way around. THAT is not God.
That is the false God of predestinators seeking to justify themselves, because God planned and made them that way.



How does rebellion prove autonomy?
God judging any man to be rebellious against Himself, is man not doing God's will created in him.

Rebellion is against the will created with. Doing the created will is obedience. Whether doing good or evil, all men are obeying the will of God created in them for that purpose.

Unlike beasts of the field, man is not a natural automaton, but autonomous creature on earth made in the image of God. However, man's autonomy to rebel against God ends in the grave.

Gen 3:4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: {3:5} For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Men can act like gods in their own right on earth, but not forever.
 
I'm not saying that rebellion is not attempted autonomy,
Any attempt at autonomy is autonomy. Beasts of the field never attempt to do other than the natural will created in them.

Men not only attempt to act against God and nature, but do so.

and I'm not saying that it isn't literally going-against/throwing-off 'the rules'—
Then the will of God created in a man, does not rule him. Ad absurdum.

If man cannot go against the will of God created in him, but can go against the rule created over him, then the created will is not the rule.

In which case, the predetermined will created in man fails, having no ruling power over the man. Man overruling the will created by God in him, is the power of autonomy to change his will according to the rule chosen to live by.

Which is the truth of Scripture: Every man is lightened by Christ coming into the world with the will of God to do good, and not evil.

Gen 1:26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:…So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them…And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply…

Jhn 1:9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Every man is created and blessed by the will of God coming into the world, but, because man has the autonomous power of will in the image of God, man can rebel and act contrary to his own soul created good by God.

Pro 8:36But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

If any man is created with a soul to do evil, then he is doing wrong against his own, but doing rightly as created.

Eze 28:15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Jas 1:14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


It is angels and men that have power to concieve lust in our own heart against God. The true God Jesus Christ does not create rebellious lust in the heart of any angel or man.




Rebellion against God is always at least rebelling against his command, but even when, at enmity with God, it is intended to obstruct or reject his decree, it is NEVER successful in doing so

Isa 1:2Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.

Num 27:14For ye rebelled against my commandment in the desert of Zin, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin.


Men have successfully rebelled against the commandment of God, and God Himself, on earth.

No man will successfully rebel against His judgment of works after the grave.
 

Was Adam imparted free will from the beginning of Creation?

I say yes. For I would not believe our loving heavenly Father would have started mankind by pre-determining ( selecting) him to sin right off the bat by ignoring what he was told.


Faith toward God mixed with common sense is always the quickest and best answer.

It's amazing to watch how many absurd arguments people must go through, in order to say that a Christ creating man to do evil, is not an evil Christ punishing man for doing evil. Afterall, the evil-doer is only obeying the will he is created with. Against such a Christ, the self-justifiers have a legitimate complaint: "It's not my fault God made them this way..."

There is only one Christ whose creative will for any man is to do evil, and is obeyed as created when doing evil, and his name is not Jesus Christ.

Eph 2:2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
 
If there are "elect" sinners going to heaven.... why was Jesus needed?
Very good. What good is Jesus dying for sinners, if they remain sinners.

Election therefore has nothing to do with living by faith, but only by capricious cast of the dice.
 
Can you explain how it is possible to cause something uncaused?

Can you explain how it was God's deliberate plan for wicked men to put Jesus Christ to death by nailing him to the cross, without also intending for Adam to sin?
No more then you can explain why God would make a creation intended to sin. For if it was not free will Adam was expected to
 
Can you explain how it was God's deliberate plan for wicked men to put Jesus Christ to death by nailing him to the cross, without also intending for Adam to sin?
Circulus in demonstrando. Making conclusions from the false argument, that foreknowledge is only by predetermining what is done.

The foreknoweldge of God is by watching what men do, not by predetermining and preplanning their deeds.





Can you explain how it was God's deliberate plan for wicked men to put Jesus Christ to death by nailing him to the cross, without also intending for Adam to sin?
And so we see the vanity of trying to answer a question, that God Himself cannot answer: Why would man do such evil and kill the Lord of glory on earth?

The result is God purposing to create men evil, so that evil men would kill His Son on earth, who did no evil nor was worthy of death. Ad absurdum on steroids.

And the obvious absurdity, is that God creating man without autonomous will in His image, chooses not to create all men to only do good, and have no choice but to recieve the Son in the flesh gladly.

Choosing to create some evil automotons to kill His Son on earth, is not only evil, but worse yet completely unnecessary.
 
makesends said:
Can you explain how it was God's deliberate plan for wicked men to put Jesus Christ to death by nailing him to the cross, without also intending for Adam to sin?
Circulus in demonstrando. Making conclusions from the false argument, that foreknowledge is only by predetermining what is done.

The foreknoweldge of God is by watching what men do, not by predetermining and preplanning their deeds.
Wow! Speaking of circular reasoning! Who is it arguing by use of their presumptions, here? You even laid out the presumption for your force of argument by saying: "The foreknoweldge of God is by watching what men do, not by predetermining and preplanning their deeds." That is simple assertion. You only suppose your notion of God's foreknowledge to be what he knows by looking into the future. Do you not know that God doesn't operate only within time? My goodness what a small god you have!

So I must presume your 'facts' in order to not be circular? Well, take a look at Scripture. If you have a problem with Acts 2:23 let me know. "23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross."



makesends said:
Can you explain how it was God's deliberate plan for wicked men to put Jesus Christ to death by nailing him to the cross, without also intending for Adam to sin?
And so we see the vanity of trying to answer a question, that God Himself cannot answer: Why would man do such evil and kill the Lord of glory on earth?
Excuse me yet again???!!! God cannot answer that? There is something that God cannot do?

If you have a problem with Acts 2:23 let me know. "23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross."
The result is God purposing to create men evil, so that evil men would kill His Son on earth, who did no evil nor was worthy of death. Ad absurdum on steroids.
If you have a problem with Acts 2:23 let me know. "23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross."
And the obvious absurdity, is that God creating man without autonomous will in His image, chooses not to create all men to only do good, and have no choice but to recieve the Son in the flesh gladly.
If you have a problem with Acts 2:23 let me know. "23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross."
Choosing to create some evil automotons to kill His Son on earth, is not only evil, but worse yet completely unnecessary
What automotons? They do what they do according to their OWN evil will. And that, by God's decree for his own purposes, and that, logically, planned by God from the very beginning. But, If you have a problem with Acts 2:23 let me know. "23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross."

I had a much longer response to a much longer post, but I see it is all unnecessary. You and I have no common basis for discussion, and civility is long since gone out the window.

In short, then, you have a less-than-omnipotent god, whom you illogically still consider THE creator —not just a creator— to be subject to principles beyond his ken. You have a less-than-omniscient god, whom you still illogically still consider THE creator, who does not know something. You reject the authority of Scripture. You exalt mankind to a status that God himself must depend on mankind in order for God to complete what he has begun. You have exalted man to entirely self-deterministic ability, as though out-of-the-blue he is able to do something uncaused! You, (in an earlier post, #328), define autonomy as merely "Autonomous will to act against God and nature", and even go to some lengths to show that God caused him to be, but now you expand 'autonomy' to include the power of uncaused self-determination!

I know many believers of a self-deterministic doctrine, who assume free will, too, but they would reject you outright for claiming there is anything that God does not know. I feel for them, probably wondering how you presume to represent free will.

We're done.
 
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No more then you can explain why God would make a creation intended to sin. For if it was not free will Adam was expected to
Yes, Adam was expected to!

But, I can very easily explain why God would make a creation intended to sin: "This life is not for this life." Read Rev 21. God's covenant finally fulfilled. We would not know God if we did not encounter his purity, wisdom and experience his grace.

I see you 'liking' the posts of @Ghada. Do you also consider God less than omnipotent, less than omniscient, and the Scriptures less than authoritative? Are you familiar with them enough to see that God intended from the beginning for Christ to be crucified? Read Acts 2:23 and 1 Peter 1:19-20 and Rev 13:8.
 
Very good. What good is Jesus dying for sinners, if they remain sinners.

Election therefore has nothing to do with living by faith, but only by capricious cast of the dice.

God is not served by the dying hands as a will or oral traditons of mankind .

He can use a unbeliever to preach the gospel as easily as one that has been born. again .

Job declared he is of one mind and always does whosever his soul pleases

No help from the peanut gallery .He performs that he appoints to us working with us to both understand and powered to move in accordance He makes our heart soft (Job 23)

Yoked with Him our daily burdens can be lighter

Believers are elected from the foundation of the world the six day the father did work slaying the lamb. . . in principle ( Not literal lamb)

Not from the standpoint of the 3 days and nights demonstrations of the lamb slain .A demonstration shadow of the eternal

Names where written down in two books some names erased .They returned to the dust likethey were never born .

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
If God knows all things then He knew when He created man, man would sin.
No if. God and the Word knew man would sin, when the Word saw and sees man do good or evil. He also saw and continues to see when believers love Him more than life.

Gen 22:12And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.


Therefore, by creating man God predetermined Adam would sin and Adam could do nothing to stop it.
By tempting man, the god of this world predetermines man would recieve his lust to sin. Men made in the image of the true God, have power to resist the devil, but all men do not.

Jesus Christ is not the creator of evil men, nor does He make men to do evil.

Willingly decieved people can preach their Christ makes them sin, like the Satanists, but Jesus Christ will judge them as all men by our works.



When the elect sinners get to heaven they will sin no longer.
And so, the prechosen created with the will to do good, also do evil. They still overrule His good will and do evil.

This pseudo non-autonomous will fails in practice.

Luk 2:14Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

The true God creates all men good in His image, with good will toward man, not just some men.
When the elect sinners get to heaven they will sin no longer.

The final nail in the coffin is believing no man can repent and be born again all new of God, until after it's too late. There is no repentance nor newbirth of soul granted by Jesus Christ from the grave.

Heb{9:27} And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Sinners elected by the devil to disobey God, only rise again to be judged by their works.



When the elect sinners get to heaven

And so, is this all you sinful predestinators got? Just another version of justification by faith alone, apart from your deeds?

God creates some with only the will to do good, but not always doing it? The devil enjoys seeing people willing to do good, and do it not.

And so, prechoosing is not about only doing good, but is only about being resurrected to life? The only practical result of this whole automoton teaching, is that it only applies to resurrection of the dead, and not to the life lived on earth?

By their own confession, the prechosen elite have the same power of will to choose evil like all sinners, and do so. They just don't have any choice but to be resurrected unto life? If so, get all the pleasure out of your sinning while you can, before it's too late?

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die, and have no choice but to go to heaven and live like saints. Yuk.








The die was cast before Adam was born.
If not for the prechoosing die, this predeterminism is universalism with partiality.

Some Christian universalists believe because of Jesus' work on the Christ, all men are now forgiven of all sins past, present, and future, but not all men yet believe it. Nevertheless, by Jesus' work alone in dying for the sins of all the world, all men shall be in the end resurrected unto life.

Predeterminists simply exclude some fellow-sinners from having no choice after the grave, but to live without sin in the next life like some kind of saint. Yuk.




and He could have just as easily ensured that Adam did not sin.
Exactly. Why just create all men with unchangeable will to only do good, and without choice recieve the Son in the flesh? Then there wouldn't be any sinning, death, nor crucifixion of the Son.

The most evil thing about the Christ that purposely creates men to do evil, is that he doesn't need to in order to dwell with men, but only because he takes pleasure in it.

Rev 4:11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
 
Eph. 2:2 remember that at that time ye [Gentiles] were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
True.

And since no man created in the image of Christ, is without Christ by creation, men must sin against Christ to be without Christ, with no hope in Him.

Rom 5:12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

But since Jesus Christ died for our sins and is risen for our justification, any man that repents of the sinning, can now be recreated as newborn babes in the image of Christ with Christ again.

2Co 5:17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ,

I am not sure what "elect" sinners means.
It's a statement by sinners, that has no Bible for it. But if it means anything, it means all sinners are the elect of the devil.

1Jo 3:8He that is committing sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning.

1Jo 3:10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.



Everyone is a sinner

Everyone sinning is a sinner of the devil, who chooses that all men should sin.

However, since he is not a creator that can create men to sin, he must settle for tempting men to recieve his lust into their own hearts, and be elected by him for his own children.
and among them God has chosen to save some and that group is call the "elect".
It's not suprising that preachers of a devilish Christ have no respect of Jesus Christ, and His own words.

2 Peter 3:9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1Ti 2:3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

the best way to save the elect would be Jesus on the cross, dying, being resurrected
The way of God is to save sinner that repents, and be elected into the body of Christ.

Acts 17:30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Acts 3:19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

2 Cor 7:10For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Mat 22:14For many are called, but few are chosen.


For many are now called by God unto repentance, but few repent and are chosen in Jesus Christ.

Since predeterminism apparently preaches only having the will the do good, but still do evil, it's not surpising that they also skip repentance to be saved, just like the unrepented sinners justified by faith alone.

Whether by will or faith alone to go to heaven, they both confess continuing to sin with the world unto the grave.


and imputing his righteousness to us and our sins to Him.
God imputes His righteousness to them that repent with faith in Jesus Christ.

God does not impute any sin to the righteous that sin not, especially not Jesus Christ the righteous who knew no sin unto death
 
No if. God and the Word knew man would sin, when the Word saw and sees man do good or evil. He also saw and continues to see when believers love Him more than life.

Gen 22:12And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
When the living word of the Faithfull Creator faithfully declared "let there be mankind" He then lovingly commanded mankind to do His will or die Mankind did the will of another. . . . Satan antichrist (another teaching authority other than sola scriptura)
 
You did not answer the question. (I'm not surprised.) Choosing to lust against Him is the result of your will.
True. God does not create man with lust to sin. He creates all men in His image to do good.

Angels and men have the power of autonomous will to create lust within their own hearts, and rebel against the goodness God creates all angels and men with.

Already quoted the Scriptures to you.


I asked what was the cause of your will.
Already gave my answer to you.

Why did you chose to have a sin nature?
Already shown how. Why is an answer God doesn't even have for it.

Why did you chose to "lust against Him"?
The same reason Lucifer first did in heaven, and Eve first did on earth, and you first did in your life.

You tell me. We know how, but not why. Most say the pleasures of sinning is worth it. Until the grave.

Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

It's certainly not because Jesus Christ creates any angel or man to do so.

Your Christ wants you to believe you are still a lusting sinner, because he made you that way, but the only thing he makes is a lie to decieve himself and others lusting to sin with him, and justify it.

Jhn 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
You said you have an "autonomous will" so your will is uninfluenced.
Autonomy of will is not uninfluential, but is power to decide whatever the influence for good or evil.

It's the power of being created in the image of God, that the beasts of the field do not have.

Preaching man without autonomous will to choose good or evil, is preaching man created as brute beasts, not in the image of God. Unless God does not have autonomous will Himself, or His autnomous will is not in His image. Ad absurdum.


Note: A person is created from an empty slate with no desires to do this or that so it is impossible to program your own will.
True. Man does not create himself. God creates man in His image with His autonomous will.

Man does not create his power of will, but it is created for us by Jesus Christ.

Jhn 1:9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Only men are given the consciousness to think and act on earth independent of God and nature.


Someone had to create you and your spirit (will).]
Very good. When you see an unbeliever saying otherwise, tell them about Gen 1.

Nothing, which is what you were, cannot create itself.
That would be, Nothing, which is what you were, can create itself...

True on both counts. There is nothing of the soul, until the soul is created by God.

And, only the Creator can create something from nothing.

Angels and men however, unlike natural beasts, are given power in God's image to create lust in our hearts from nowhere, since lust against God isn't created by Christ nor comes from God.

Jas 1:13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

(P.s. I answer all questions with answers I have from Scripture. If someone wants to hear their own answers repeated back to them, they can record it and push playback. Otherwise, I only repeat myself once or twice at most. But I am interested in any flaw in my asnwers being pointed out to me. Which of course requires addessing the answers I give, and not pretending I give no answers.)
 
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