Adam and Eve's expulsion from the Garden of Eden.

[Carbon]

Genesis 2:
16The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”

It would seem, Adam must have to some extent, understood what death was, because there is no indication in scripture that he asked God what it was. So, how did he know?

Is it possible he may have observed death from his observation of the outside world? Or some other way? Thoughts?


Also, Eve didn't seem afraid when the serpent came to he and tempted her. Even after they ate (and died) there is no indication in scripture that they were surprised that they were still alive after eating the forbidden tree.

Did the fall change things (physics)?

What does scripture teach about Eve and childbirth?

Or about Adam, does it teach that he now has to work?

 

[fastfredy0]

Or about Adam, does it teach that he now has to work?

Work is just something you do to achieve a purpose so I assume Adam had a purpose before he sinned, but because he sinned maybe God determined Adam would have to work on something else.

It would seem, Adam must have to some extent, understood what death was. There is no indication in scripture that he asked God what it was. So, how did he know?

Premise 1: Nothing died before Adam sinned. Nothing will die in the future as Christ has defeated sin.
... I suppose the concept of something existing and later not existing would not be beyond Adam's ability. Adam could take a rock and pulverize it and simulate death by analogy I suppose.

Did the fall change things (physics)?

Physics is just our observation of what God determines to occur repetitively. Colossians 1:17, Hebrews 1:3, Job 34:14-15, 1 Corinthians 12:6 ... God is the first cause and repetition allows our limited brains to put together God's puzzle, as long as He doesn't change the puzzle pieces like walking on water occasionally.

Aside: it's not like I know what I am talking about giggle

 

[Arial]

It would seem, Adam must have to some extent, understood what death was, because there is no indication in scripture that he asked God what it was. So, how did he know?

I suspect he understood what death meant far better than we do, even with all our theologies and all the information given in the full canon. We still limit it to our body dying in our thoughts and in our relation to God, even when we explain it as spiritual death. The communication between God and Adam and Eve was of a different type than what we have ever been familiar with and cannot imagine. They were living with him face to face. They knew who he is, through and through. He did not have to observe death as in things dying to know what it meant. And they both experienced the result of it by then feeling the overwhelming need to try and hide from God.

Also, Eve didn't seem afraid when the serpent came to he and tempted her. Even after they ate (and died) there is no indication in scripture that they were surprised that they were still alive after eating the forbidden tree.

They knew they needed to hide from God so they knew something.

Did the fall change things (physics)?

God submitted the entire creation to futility because of the fall. Maybe what we know as physics wasn't a "thing" before the fall. Also something we can't imagine. But then we can't imagine, even though we believe, that "let there be" is creative just by the words themselves.

What does scripture teach about Eve and childbirth?

That it would be painful, so evidently it wouldn't have been before. Also something a woman who has given birth cannot imagine.

Or about Adam, does it teach that he now has to work?

He was given work to do in the garden. Work is a good thing. It just said that it would be hard, never ending toil after the fall. He had to deal with weather and weeds and thistles.

 

[CrowCross]

Genesis 2:
16The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”

It would seem, Adam must have to some extent, understood what death was, because there is no indication in scripture that he asked God what it was. So, how did he know?

I agree...Adam as well as Eve knew about death.

Is it possible he may have observed death from his observation of the outside world? Or some other way? Thoughts?


Also, Eve didn't seem afraid when the serpent came to he and tempted her. Even after they ate (and died) there is no indication in scripture that they were surprised that they were still alive after eating the forbidden tree.

She believed the lie that she would not die.

Did the fall change things (physics)?

I would say some things. death for humans entered. Pain in childbirth entered. Thorns and thistles became a reality.

What does scripture teach about Eve and childbirth?

Pain would increase in childbirth.
her seed would overcome Satans seed.

Or about Adam, does it teach that he now has to work?

Adam always had to work...it would be much harder now.

 

[Carbon]

Work is just something you do to achieve a purpose so I assume Adam had a purpose before he sinned,

I agree.

but because he sinned maybe God determined Adam would have to work on something else.

Hmm, but wouldn't God have said so?
Didn't God mention something about, a, . . . ah, what was that , oh yeah, a curse?

So, do you think his work because more difficult? How so?

 

[Hazelelponi]

So, how did he know?

Divine revelation.

 

[CrowCross]

So, do you think his work because more difficult? How so?

I read this.....
cursed is the ground because of you; through toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.
By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread,

....Is that what you were looking for?

 

[CrowCross]

So, how did he know?

Didn't Adam walk with God in the cool of the evening? I bet they talked about a lot.

 

[fastfredy0]

So, do you think his work because more difficult? How so?

“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all the cattle,
And more than any animal of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And dust you shall eat
All the days of your life.

16 To the woman He said,
“I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth;
In pain you will give birth to children;
Yet your desire and longing will be for your husband,
And he will rule [with authority] over you and be responsible for you.” (end of woman's lib)

I don't have specifics ... perhaps mosquitos started biting as as opposed to being a friendly pet ...... giggle

 

[Hazelelponi]

I don't have specifics ... perhaps mosquitos started biting as as opposed to being a friendly pet ...... giggle

Have you ever wondered.... What if we looked at the field differently.

Thorns. Thistles. Resistance. Delay. Sorrow.

You speak Christ—and people harden their hearts.
You preach grace—and they demand works.
You try to plant peace—and reap division.
You do everything right—and still feel like nothing grows.

Welcome to Adam's field, the cursed soil.

Have you ever considered the following statement by the Apostle Paul?

"My little children, for whom I am again in the anguish of childbirth until Christ is formed in you!"

Jesus is the second Adam. Where the first failed, the second succeeded, and the curse turned into sure redemption for God's children.

But the toil and the pain remains while in this life.

 

[Fred]

Genesis 3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.


And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food
The lust of the flesh

it was pleasant to the eyes,
and the lust of the eyes

and a tree to be desired to make one wise
the pride of life