Was Adam imparted free will from the beginning of Creation?

[Ghada]

Last time I checked, no one ever always chooses to obey.

Judging everyone by ourselves is foolish. {edit}

Rom 3:3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

People who believe in continued disobedience to God, are speaking by their own lust, not by the righteous faith of Jesus Christ toward God and His righteousness.

no one ever always chooses to obey.

That's because not everyone is an obedient son of God choosing to walk as Jesus walked, rather than as the children of disobedience.

Not everyone naming Christ is a lukewarm believer, that is doing both good and evil deeds according to their own will.

Only grace keeps us from being extinct. But as sinners, we are God's enemy and he is ours, so we cannot come near to him even if we wanted to, which we don't.

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and we are as him.

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Our will is acted upon and pushes us one way or another.

One's own lust for the world pushes the sinner one way or another. God's will does not push anyone anywhere, except casting the wicked into perdition.

If Christ lightens every man coming into the world with the desire to choose the good,

No if. Unbelievers doubt God's words as written. Jesus Christ has lightened every man coming into the world beginning with Adam, and still does today, and will continue to do so tomorrow.

Hebrews{13:8} Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

And He does not lighten men to do any evil.

The god of this world is not a creator nor maker of men and women from the womb. The devil does not make his own children by creation and birth into the world.

Now our will is in bondage to sin.

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2 Cor 6:2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Psa 95:8Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.

If any man will repent of their own sinful works of the flesh for Jesus' sake, then the Lord will have mercy and circumcise their old heart from the foreskin of lust, and be made a whole new creature of pure heart and blamelessness created in Christ Jesus.

Rom 3:24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Col 2:6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

Gen 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Being created in God's image and lightened by Christ coming into the world, with freedom, liberty, and power to choose to serve the Lord, which is done away by lust and sin, is now restored to any man that repents, to be made a holy new creature by birth in Christ Jesus.

He can't be Lord and not Lord at the same time.

He is Lord of heaven and earth all the time. At no time is He Lord of the lusting sinners.

It's the god and spirit of this world now working in the children of disobedience, not the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ.

He is Lord over all people on earth, but by hardened unrepentance, He is not the Lord of all people on earth.

The opposite of free.

And now you speak the truth. Lusting sinners have free will to do evil, but not to serve the Lord. So long as lust for sin remains untaken away by Jesus Christ from a corrupt heart, then that man cannot freely choose to serve the Lord God.

Obeying, serving, and doing the will of God can only be with a pure heart. Once any man sins, his own lust blinds and kills the soul to God, so that he cannot please God by any deeds done with a corrupt heart of lust.

It is the very fact that he is Lord that makes him the judge of those who reject him.

Which is by works against Him.

Tit 1:16They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

1 Peter{1:15} But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. {1:17} And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:

He is the righteous and true Lord and Judge of all the earth, that judges every man by his work, without respect of anyone personal faith, doctrine, or will.

 

[Ghada]

The cross both saves and condemns.

The cross only condemns all men that sin, as being judged guilty of Jesus' death by the law against shedding the innocent blood.

The offence of the cross is first against the Jew, for killing the Lord of glory, and also against the Gentile for killing Him to themselves.

All sinful hands of men are judged guilty of shedding Jesus' innocent blood on the cross, not just the hands that handled His body so wickedly.

He died for all sins to be made exceeding sinful and repented of. Every man sin is now judged guilty of piercing the Lord's hands and feet on a cross.

Repentance of His death can only be made to the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Only then by Himself will He take away lust and purge our sins freely, as newborn babes and creatures created all good and new in the image of the Son of God.

Before Christ rose from the dead no man could repent, but now that he has risen, all men can repent."

True. How can anyone repent to a dead man? Jesus Christ must rise again for His enemies to repent of killing Him, the Jew first and also the Gentile.

 

[Ghada]

Liberated will. And it was good.

Acceptable. Man is created in God's image with the liberty to serve Him, or to curse himself by disobeying Him.

Sinners that repent, are sons created anew with the liberty of Christ to serve the Lord, or to curse himself by disobedience.

Christ's work of faithfulness strengthens the will of dying mankind. So that men can miraculously believe an invisible God has paid the full wage of sin "eternal separation" .

God did not die on a cross. The body of the Son of God died by wicked hands.

The Son that knew no sin, did not die to God the Father.

He gave His body to die for our sins to be repented of. He raised His body again to justify His enemies that repent of His death.

The meat that perishes. . dying mankind Psalm 69:21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

No one ate anyone's flesh at the cross. Nor drank anyone's blood. Nor sprinkled Jesus' shed blood to make atonement for sins of the people crucifying Him.

 

[Ghada]

And yet Eve was the first sinner.

1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, having been deceived, has come into transgression.
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How can she be called a sinner if the "you" applies solely to the man?

Good point. Adam ministered the commandment of the Lord to Eve, or the Lord told her Himself.

You've left something very important out. It was not solely because Adam ate from the tree that he was punished. That part, "Because you listened to the voice of your wife...." is critically important. Why has that been neglected?

Some Scripture will always need to be neglected, when trying to teach something else than Scripture.

Your claim the "when" is prophetic is an assumption on your part.

True. A bad one to make God the cause of the transgression.

Here's another question for you: What was the first command Adam disobeyed?

He did not keep the garden free of evil surmising. When the serpent contradicted God, and said she would not surely die, Adam should have driven him from the garden, instead of being driven out himself.

Adam and Eve must both have already had lust in their own hearts, to recieve the serpent's lie.

Jas 1:14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

 

[Mr GLee]

Yes, according to the Word of God recorded in Genesis 2:16-17. See "The LORD God commanded the man, saying" which is directed specifically at Adam without anyone else. Stated plainly, "the man" is exclusively the "you". Next, see the multiple occurrences of "you" are not "you and your descendants" inside of the command recorded in Genesis 2:16-17.

Is there anything that was lovingly commanded to Adam that did not affect Eve ?

Adam was signified as if Christ not seen just as Mosses in Exodus 7. Eve the priestess Like Aaron was to preach the words given by Christ .Again using Adam to represent Christ the word and Eve the prophet priestess

Exodus 7King James Version And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.

Satan the father of lies knowing Eve represents the woman the weaker (position) vessel . Satan added to the prophecy . ."neither shall you touch

Adam failed to protect her and believed the same lie. "Neither shall you touch"" Therefore violating the commandment (Deuteronomy 4:2) not to add or subtract from the whole. Not even one word

Adam failed to wash Eve used to represent the whole church (mankind) with the water of the word .The doctrines of Christ that fall like rain or dew upon the grass :believers" (Deuteronomy 34:1-2)

Ephesians 5:25-27King James Version Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

 

[Mr GLee]

Acceptable. Man is created in God's image with the liberty to serve Him, or to curse himself by disobeying Him.

Sinners that repent, are sons created anew with the liberty of Christ to serve the Lord, or to curse himself by disobedience.




God did not die on a cross. The body of the Son of God died by wicked hands.

The Son that knew no sin, did not die to God the Father.

He gave His body to die for our sins to be repented of. He raised His body again to justify His enemies that repent of His death.


No one ate anyone's flesh at the cross. Nor drank anyone's blood. Nor sprinkled Jesus' shed blood to make atonement for sins of the people crucifying Him.

Hi I would offer. .

His dying body was used to outwardly demonstrate the powerful work of the unseen Holy Father.

Blood as water both metaphors are used in parables to represent the pouring out of Spirit life on dying flesh. Called drink blood eat flesh

God cannot die he suffered a living spiritual sacrifice by his wounds we are healed. Blood therefore seeing life was given then was to be poured out and return to the field of Clay

Many look to temporal as if literal blood without the spirit essence of life had some value other than a metaphor used in parables

An example of Christ strengthening the son of man, Jesus.

In the parable sweat a form of water is used to show the work of the father striking the Son bruising the heal crushing the head Satan.

Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.. . . . . returning to dust

His sweat was as it were great drops of blood . As it were. . denotes a parable is in view. The spiritless lifeless blood return to the field of clay

Both water and blood are both used equally to represent the pouring out of his Spirit life (the gospel ) in jeapordy of his own. The father of all spirit life

There are three different propmised three day and night demonstrations having a different purpose all working as one .

The first Genesis 3:15 the father striking the Son bruising his heel crushing the head of the serpent, again prophesied in Isiah 53 . The work of two empowered by one . That part of the three was in the garden of Gethsemane where he began sufferings onto death There to verify the prophesied work of two The Father striking the Son. . who was wounded for our transgressions. Jesus sought help from the apostles three times three times the father put the apostles to sleep . Proving the prophecy salvation is the work of two a company. . three or more a crowd

Then they moved on to part two the hill of Skull the bloody demonstration as a guilty sign sign to the unbelieving world in a hope of drawing men to the source of faith (sola scriptura) there it appeared a Satan inspired crowd crucified the Son of man .Again a sign to the world to wonder after . Believers have Garden prophecy no need to wonder.

John 19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha

The first demonstration the work of two empowered by one. The fulfilling of the two bruised heal prophecies. as sign to the believer.

The bloody, a sign to the world ..The first the garden seems to get less attention. Its like mankind loves to see the blood . The Holy Spirit says when he sees the blood not when we do. He is the lamb slain from the foundation .

Finishing the first two of three day and nights demonstration . He moved on to the tomb the demonstration of faith , finishing with the father removing the grave clothes' and rolled back the stone .

Unlike a simular parable with Lazarus 4 days keeping his body from corruption , Lazarus, the believers remove the grave clothes and roll back the stone as Christian fellowship.

 

[makesends]

Judging everyone by ourselves is foolish. All men are not disobedient to God as you.

Rom 3:3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

People who believe in continued disobedience to God, are speaking by their own lust, not by the righteous faith of Jesus Christ toward God and His righteousness.


That's because not everyone is an obedient son of God choosing to walk as Jesus walked, rather than as the children of disobedience.

Not everyone naming Christ is a lukewarm believer, that is doing both good and evil deeds according to their own will.



Are you speaking for yourself again? If so, you can repent by commandment of the Lord for Jesus' mercy sake, and recieve His faith, power, and will to do good, and not evil.


Another confession of being a transgressor against the Lord?




One's own lust for the world pushes the sinner one way or another. God's will does not push anyone anywhere, except casting the wicked into perdition.


No if. Unbelievers doubt God's words as written. Jesus Christ has lightened every man coming into the world beginning with Adam, and still does today, and will continue to do so tomorrow.

Hebrews{13:8} Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

And He does not lighten men to do any evil.

The god of this world is not a creator nor maker of men and women from the womb. The devil does not make his own children by creation and birth into the world.

Another confession of your own bondage to your own lust and sin. It's by a hardened heart to repentance from your own deeds.

2 Cor 6:2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Psa 95:8Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.

If any man will repent of their own sinful works of the flesh for Jesus' sake, then the Lord will have mercy and circumcise their old heart from the foreskin of lust, and be made a whole new creature of pure heart and blamelessness created in Christ Jesus.

Rom 3:24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Col 2:6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

Gen 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Being created in God's image and lightened by Christ coming into the world, with freedom, liberty, and power to choose to serve the Lord, which is done away by lust and sin, is now restored to any man that repents, to be made a holy new creature by birth in Christ Jesus.





He is Lord of heaven and earth all the time. At no time is He Lord of the lusting sinners.

It's the god and spirit of this world now working in the children of disobedience, not the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ.

He is Lord over all people on earth, but by hardened unrepentance, He is not the Lord of all people on earth.

And now you speak the truth. Lusting sinners have free will to do evil, but not to serve the Lord. So long as lust for sin remains untaken away by Jesus Christ from a corrupt heart, then that man cannot freely choose to serve the Lord God.

Obeying, serving, and doing the will of God can only be with a pure heart. Once any man sins, his own lust blinds and kills the soul to God, so that he cannot please God by any deeds done with a corrupt heart of lust.







Which is by works against Him.

Tit 1:16They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

1 Peter{1:15} But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. {1:17} And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:

He is the righteous and true Lord and Judge of all the earth, that judges every man by his work, without respect of anyone personal faith, doctrine, or will.

I'm sorry —well maybe not— but this reeks of someone who needs to see their own rebellion against the Lord. Who do you think you are? Do you not know that you, like the rest of us, will be measured by your own standard?

 

[Arial]

Judging everyone by ourselves is foolish. {edit}

Rom 3:3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

People who believe in continued disobedience to God, are speaking by their own lust, not by the righteous faith of Jesus Christ toward God and His righteousness.


That's because not everyone is an obedient son of God choosing to walk as Jesus walked, rather than as the children of disobedience.

Not everyone naming Christ is a lukewarm believer, that is doing both good and evil deeds according to their own will.



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One's own lust for the world pushes the sinner one way or another. God's will does not push anyone anywhere, except casting the wicked into perdition.


No if. Unbelievers doubt God's words as written. Jesus Christ has lightened every man coming into the world beginning with Adam, and still does today, and will continue to do so tomorrow.

Hebrews{13:8} Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

And He does not lighten men to do any evil.

The god of this world is not a creator nor maker of men and women from the womb. The devil does not make his own children by creation and birth into the world.

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2 Cor 6:2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Psa 95:8Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.

If any man will repent of their own sinful works of the flesh for Jesus' sake, then the Lord will have mercy and circumcise their old heart from the foreskin of lust, and be made a whole new creature of pure heart and blamelessness created in Christ Jesus.

Rom 3:24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Col 2:6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

Gen 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Being created in God's image and lightened by Christ coming into the world, with freedom, liberty, and power to choose to serve the Lord, which is done away by lust and sin, is now restored to any man that repents, to be made a holy new creature by birth in Christ Jesus.





He is Lord of heaven and earth all the time. At no time is He Lord of the lusting sinners.

It's the god and spirit of this world now working in the children of disobedience, not the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ.

He is Lord over all people on earth, but by hardened unrepentance, He is not the Lord of all people on earth.

And now you speak the truth. Lusting sinners have free will to do evil, but not to serve the Lord. So long as lust for sin remains untaken away by Jesus Christ from a corrupt heart, then that man cannot freely choose to serve the Lord God.

Obeying, serving, and doing the will of God can only be with a pure heart. Once any man sins, his own lust blinds and kills the soul to God, so that he cannot please God by any deeds done with a corrupt heart of lust.







Which is by works against Him.

Tit 1:16They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

1 Peter{1:15} But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. {1:17} And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:

He is the righteous and true Lord and Judge of all the earth, that judges every man by his work, without respect of anyone personal faith, doctrine, or will.

You were given a warning and this post had to be severely edited because of all the personal accusations against the poster. In addition it is full of misrepresentations of what the poster said by your selective half sentence and removed from context quotes. I strongly suggest you get control of yourself.

 

[Arial]

With His resurrection, every person has power of free will by creation in God's image, to choose to repent as commanded by God in the name of Jesus, that by grace we may recieve the faith of Jesus, with His freedom and power to serve Him freely with a pure heart.

So Jesus died to give us free will? His blood purchased free will?

No Scripture says animals are bad nor good.

Read Gen 1 and 2 again.

 

[makesends]

So Jesus died to give us free will? His blood purchased free will?

Ghada said:
No Scripture says animals are bad nor good.

Read Gen 1 and 2 again.

In one sense I agree with you here, though it's a bit complicated. I hear this argument revolving around whether Adam and Eve were truly innocent and MORALLY good, and now the sloughing of the meaning of 'good' shows up concerning Animals?

Ever since I was a small child, the statement, "God saw that it was very good" had nothing to do with morality. And yet I believe that what God has done is morally good, and that, to include that he caused everything —even our disobedience— for the sake of his glory. Thus even simple fact —a tree, dirt, 'empty' space, sound— is not 'morally neutral', whatever that means, but morally good. But I still don't think him saying that his particular creation in Genesis is about moral good, but that what God has made is well done.

 

[Ghada]

His dying body was used to outwardly demonstrate the powerful work of the unseen Holy Father. In the parable sweat a form of water is used to show the work of the father striking the Son bruising the heal crushing the head Satan.

God the Father did not kill His Son. Nor did He crush the head of Satan by bruising His Son.

Wicked men killed the Son for blasphemy, that He did not commit.

Blood as water both metaphors are used in parables to represent the pouring out of Spirit life on dying flesh. Called drink blood eat flesh

God cannot die he suffered a living spiritual sacrifice by his wounds we are healed. Blood therefore seeing life was given then was to be poured out and return to the field of Clay

Many look to temporal as if literal blood without the spirit essence of life had some value other than a metaphor used in parables

An example of Christ strengthening the son of man, Jesus.



Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.. . . . . returning to dust

His sweat was as it were great drops of blood . As it were. . denotes a parable is in view. The spiritless lifeless blood return to the field of clay

Both water and blood are both used equally to represent the pouring out of his Spirit life (the gospel ) in jeapordy of his own. The father of all spirit life

There are three different propmised three day and night demonstrations having a different purpose all working as one .

The first Genesis 3:15 the father striking the Son bruising his heel crushing the head of the serpent, again prophesied in Isiah 53 . The work of two empowered by one . That part of the three was in the garden of Gethsemane where he began sufferings onto death There to verify the prophesied work of two The Father striking the Son. . who was wounded for our transgressions. Jesus sought help from the apostles three times three times the father put the apostles to sleep . Proving the prophecy salvation is the work of two a company. . three or more a crowd

Then they moved on to part two the hill of Skull the bloody demonstration as a guilty sign sign to the unbelieving world in a hope of drawing men to the source of faith (sola scriptura) there it appeared a Satan inspired crowd crucified the Son of man .Again a sign to the world to wonder after . Believers have Garden prophecy no need to wonder.

John 19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha

The first demonstration the work of two empowered by one. The fulfilling of the two bruised heal prophecies. as sign to the believer.

The bloody, a sign to the world ..The first the garden seems to get less attention. Its like mankind loves to see the blood . The Holy Spirit says when he sees the blood not when we do. He is the lamb slain from the foundation .

Finishing the first two of three day and nights demonstration . He moved on to the tomb the demonstration of faith , finishing with the father removing the grave clothes' and rolled back the stone .

Unlike a simular parable with Lazarus 4 days keeping his body from corruption , Lazarus, the believers remove the grave clothes and roll back the stone as Christian fellowship.

Jesus Christ was crucified unto death on a cross by false accusation and condemnation of wicked men.

There was nothing symbolic about His natural body being scourged, pierced, and bled to death. Nor was there any symbolism to those mocking Him on the cross.

I'm done with you changing Scriptural truth into a symbolic head game for unbelieving intellectuals.

 

[Ghada]

Do you not know that you, like the rest of us, will be measured by your own standard?

If someone's standard of judgment is that they are still lusting sinners, then the righteous Lord already knows, and commands to repent.

The standard I judge myself with is the Lord's.

1 Peter {1:15} But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. {1:17} And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:

 

[Ghada]

So Jesus died to give us free will? His blood purchased free will?

No.

In addition it is full of misrepresentations of what the poster said by your selective half sentence and removed from context quotes. I strongly suggest you get control of yourself.

 

[Arial]

Ghada said:
No Scripture says animals are bad nor good.

In one sense I agree with you here, though it's a bit complicated. I hear this argument revolving around whether Adam and Eve were truly innocent and MORALLY good, and now the sloughing of the meaning of 'good' shows up concerning Animals?

Ever since I was a small child, the statement, "God saw that it was very good" had nothing to do with morality. And yet I believe that what God has done is morally good, and that, to include that he caused everything —even our disobedience— for the sake of his glory. Thus even simple fact —a tree, dirt, 'empty' space, sound— is not 'morally neutral', whatever that means, but morally good. But I still don't think him saying that his particular creation in Genesis is about moral good, but that what God has made is well done.

Man is the only moral creature in his creation of our world in Gen. (That does not include Satan masquerading as a serpent who was already created) Animals are not moral agents, they operate according to the instinct God gave them. But those animals until the fall of man, did not devour one another or us and we did not devour them. They were not afraid of us. We see a return to this condition in Is 11. In particular what I was directing @Ghada to was not just that everything was good but Gen 1:29-30 And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.

 

[Arial]

No.

Then why did you say that it did?

Free will is the power to choose good or evil. It is not about having freedom to serve God, which is now only by the faith of Jesus Christ.

No man has any power of will to choose Jesus as the true Christ of God.

With His resurrection, every person has power of free will by creation in God's image, to choose to repent as commanded by God in the name of Jesus, that by grace we may recieve the faith of Jesus, with His freedom and power to serve Him freely with a pure heart.

 

[Ghada]

Then why did you say that it did?

So, you're doubling down on your misrepresentation. You ask for no clarification at all, but only insist I am teaching something, that I already said I don't.

And, you do this right after making accusations and threats against me for the same thing, without giving any proof to correct me.

 

[makesends]

If someone's standard of judgment is that they are still lusting sinners, then the righteous Lord already knows, and commands to repent.

The standard I judge myself with is the Lord's.

1 Peter {1:15} But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. {1:17} And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:

Would we could all say the same. But we are self-justifying humans, unlike you.

 

[Mr GLee]

God the Father did not kill His Son. Nor did He crush the head of Satan by bruising His Son.

Wicked men killed the Son for blasphemy, that He did not commit.

Hi I would ask?

Why as it seems literalize the spiritual unseen understanding of eternal faith ?

Blood like water are metaphors used in parables to represent the unseen work (let there be) of the Father. Christ our husband

It is required we compare the spiritual eternal things "not seen" to the temporal historical "seen" Christ in us with us hiding the spiritual (faith) understanding from natural born sinners.

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual (eternal) things with spiritual(eternal ). But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Do you agree God hides himself in parables ?

Flesh and blood without the power of unseen Spirit life of Christ is dead. lifeless spiritless blood must be poured out so it can return to dust Therefore revealing spirit life (not seen) was given

James 2: 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works of (Christ not seen ) is dead also

God is not dying mankind .

Jesus the Son of man is our brother in the lord.

I did not say kill I said bruised for our iniquity .A living sacrifice. By his wounds we are healed.

Three different prophecies during the one promised three days and nights promised demonstration.

The garden where the sufferings began. Jesus, the Son of man. Not as I will Father but you the powerful alone one . (not seen)

A demonstration fulfilling prophecy (Genesis 3 ;15 with Isaiah 53 prophecy a sign for the believers

Then the hill the tree or cross. The demonstration of the Lamb that was slain during the six days the Father did work . (Bloody dying mankind ) Using a tree as a sign to the unbelieving world as if the Son of man was murdered by a Satan inspired crowd.

Again a sign to the unbelieving world drawing some to the Father

Then the last work of the three with witness.. . the Tomb the witness of faith the father keeping the Spirit working in Jesus from complete corruption "dead never to rise" . Removing the grave clothes from the Son .Th father rolled back the stone .

Salvation a work of two working as one .Not a Satan inspired crowd

Two is a company three a crowd

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Deuteronomy 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

The first demonstration (garden) the promise of two working empowered by one. The father striking the Son bruising his heal crushing the head of the serpent

Three time Jesus tried to awake the other apostles for strength in sufferings .Three time the father put them to sleep to fulfill the prophecy of two working as one

The Satan inspired crowd receive no credit for the gospel work of the two.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed (dying mankind) and her seed;(Christ) it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

The bloody demonstration. Blood as a metaphor used in parable to represent the powerful work of the Spirit of Christ working in those yoked with His labor of love.

Bloody. .The more popular one time demonstration as a sign to the world. They love to see the blood. Jesus said when His Father sees.

Therefore we continue to walk by faith the unseen eternal .

Exodus 12:13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

 

[Arial]

So, you're doubling down on your misrepresentation. You ask for no clarification at all, but only insist I am teaching something, that I already said I don't.

Ghada, all I did was re-quote what you said to show what prompted my question---and it was a question not an accusation. If my understanding of what you were saying was wrong it is on you to clarify. All you did was say "No." the first time I asked and the above is the result of my re-quoting where I got the idea from instead of any clarification.

And, you do this right after making accusations and threats against me for the same thing, without giving any proof to correct me.

A warning by admin of unacceptable posting is not a threat. And I told you exactly what you had done wrong. I did not do the same thing that you did. All I did was quote one of your posts (and in full not half of it so that it misrepresented you, which is what you have been doing) and show my conclusion of what you were saying in the form of a question. One you answered by saying nothing more than "no".

 

[Ghada]

Would we could all say the same. But we are self-justifying humans, unlike you.

Jesus is not a respector of persons in judgment nor mercy. If any man repents of their deeds, then He will take the lust away from their hearts, and justify them by His faith toward God and His righteousness.

Likewise, if any man repents not for His mercy's sake, then He must judge them by their works.

He died for our sins to be repented of, and is risen again to justify them that repent for His salvation from lust and sin.