Trinity: The Divinity of Jesus

[Eleanor]

I see 3 titles there but no name.

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

Jesus said it was a name (singular).

 

[Eleanor]

Yes all things are done for the Fathers will by all representing him. They do it all in Jesus' Fathers name.

Which name (singular) Jesus revealed/gave us. . .Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Like the ones who love God, Like King David--When he went up against Goliath he stated-You come with sword, shield and Javelin, i come in the name of YHVH(Jehovah)

 

[Eleanor]

So are you still saying that Jesus was only a Man? That doesn't answer my point about the 250 times where He is called both "Jesus" and "Christ" in the bible.

Well of course they are two different words. "Jesus" was His name, and "Christ is His title. Jesus means "Jehovah saves," and "Christ" means the same as "Messiah", meaning "anointed" (not "anointing Holy Spirit.")

Jesus knew that this man didn't really believe that He, Jesus Christ is God.

I see Jesus there telling the man that he is acknowledging that Jesus is God.

That is why He asked the man the question. Elsewhere, Jesus said:

“"I and [My] Father are one."” (Joh 10:30 NKJV)

He also accepted worship from Thomas, who called Him, "My Lord and my God."

But 250 times He is called "Jesus Christ," or "Christ Jesus." Not "Christ with Jesus." You will look in vain for a bible verse saying that Christ was with Jesus.

That verse seems to go against what you wrote before, about " the one unseen Father Christ." If as you say, Christ is the unseen Father, how could 2 Corinthians 5:16 be true when it says, "though we have known Christ after the flesh."?

 

[Mr GLee]

I see Jesus there telling the man that he is acknowledging that Jesus is God.

Yes, Jesus as the Christ the teaching Holy Spirit is God. He mightily powerfully worked in the Son of man, Jesus. to both reveal His will and empower. dying mankind, The Son of man Jesus to do it to the fathers good let there be pleasure.

 

[makesends]

I think most theologians hold that Jesus worked signs, wonders and miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit who descended upon Him at His baptism.

But could only work signs, wonders and miracles by the power of that Holy Spirit *after* that Holy Spirit descended upon Him at His baptism?

 

[JIM]

But could only work signs, wonders and miracles by the power of that Holy Spirit *after* that Holy Spirit descended upon Him at His baptism?

We do know that all such signs, wonders and miracles throughout the scriptures from the beginning were worked through the power of the Holy Spirit. Given that Jesus was 100% human, it seems likely that the same would be true for Jesus as well. And there is no record indicating otherwise. There is no record of Jesus working in such signs, wonders and miracles before that monumental event. That doesn't mean that He didn't, but that doesn't mean He did.

 

[David Lamb]

Yes, Jesus as the Christ the teaching Holy Spirit is God. He mightily powerfully worked in the Son of man, Jesus. to both reveal His will and empower. dying mankind, The Son of man Jesus to do it to the fathers good let there be pleasure.

The Christ isn't the Holy Spirit. He promised the Holy Spirit to His disciples:

“"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever — "the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.” (Joh 14:16-17 NKJV).

I just cannot understand what you mean by: "The Son of man Jesus to do it to the fathers good let there be pleasure."

I repeat, Jesus Christ is one glorious Person, fully God and fully Man. You seem to treat Jesus and Christ as two separate people. He is one. That's why He is called "Jesus Christ" or "Christ Jesus" 250 times in the bible.

 

[Mr GLee]

The Christ isn't the Holy Spirit. He promised the Holy Spirit to His disciples:

“"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever — "the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.” (Joh 14:16-17 NKJV).

I just cannot understand what you mean by: "The Son of man Jesus to do it to the fathers good let there be pleasure."

I repeat, Jesus Christ is one glorious Person, fully God and fully Man. You seem to treat Jesus and Christ as two separate people. He is one. That's why He is called "Jesus Christ" or "Christ Jesus" 250 times in the bible.

God is not a dying Jewish man as King of kings

Two different words.

What does the word Christ alone mean and Jesus alone?

What to the two words together mean. Jesus Christ.?

How many gods make up Jesus the Christ?

it would seem one god seen, the Son of God born again Jesus who outwardly displayed the power of the father "let there be faith"

Its Christ the anointing teacher working in us. Not the son of man Jesus dying mankind in us .












Romans 1:7
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[David Lamb]

God is not a dying Jewish man as King of kings

No He isn't, and the Lord Jesus Christ isn't merely a dying Jewish man. He is Jewish by nature, and in His incarnation He became Man.

Two different words.

What does the word Christ alone mean and Jesus alone?

I have already said this several times. Jesus means "Jehovah saves," and Christ means "anointed."

What to the two words together mean. Jesus Christ.?

Together, we have Jesus Christ the anointed Saviour.

How many gods make up Jesus the Christ?

There is one God, in three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

it would seem one god seen, the Son of God born again Jesus who outwardly displayed the power of the father "let there be faith"

Where in the bible do you read that Jesus was born again?

Its Christ the anointing teacher working in us. Not the son of man Jesus dying mankind in us .

Yet the apostles preached Jesus Christ, Who died on the cross and rose again to save sinners. And remember what the angel said about why the Saviour was called Jesus:

“"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."” (Mt 1:21 NKJV)

Romans 1:7
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes, "and the Lord Jesus Christ," not "Jesus and the Christ." I am beginning to wonder what sort of church you belong to. Is your notion of Jesus and Christ being separate preached at your church?

 

[Mr GLee]

No He isn't, and the Lord Jesus Christ isn't merely a dying Jewish man. He is Jewish by nature, and in His incarnation He became Man.

Not merely . . .clearly

God is supernatural without nature (beginning or end ) the "let there be creature of nature and "it was God good"

How did eternal God become dying mankind?

I have already said this several times. Jesus means "Jehovah saves," and Christ means "anointed."

Does either one says dying mankind the son of man Jesus saves? If so. . how?

Or is it Christ powerfully working in the Son of man Jesus that has the power to save ?

Power form the dying flesh or power from the living Spirit?

Why was it necessary the Son of man Jesus's flesh appear as sinful.

In John 6 he declared his own dying flesh profits for nothing. . . .it returns to the dust

What we need is new spirit life not seen. His living words are spiritual . . . . . spirit life giving

 

[Rella]

The Son of Man Jesus did not create. . cannot . no power (impossible)

Of his own dying flesh, he declares it profits for zero, nada

He was created . . born of women. (let there be dust)

Power to rise came at the resurrection, the place of power. No power is reckoned from the fleshly birth.

Marvel not Jesus was born again like all sons of God

Be careful some worship the dying flesh and blood of the Son of man Jesus and not the Almighty Father. . the one eternal Spirit

God is not a Jewish man as King of kings Lord of lords. Thats the goal of the father of lies to deceive the whole world that eternal God is a Jewish man

ηλίθιος

 

[David Lamb]

Not merely . . .clearly

God is supernatural without nature (beginning or end ) the "let there be creature of nature and "it was God good"

How did eternal God become dying mankind?

By the Incarnation.

“But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,” (Ga 4:4 NKJV)

I don't know what you meant by: "the "let there be creature of nature." What creature of nature did you mean?

Does either one says dying mankind the son of man Jesus saves? If so. . how?

Peter tells us how He saves:

“who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness — by whose stripes you were healed.” (1Pe 2:24 NKJV)

Or is it Christ powerfully working in the Son of man Jesus that has the power to save ?

I have said it so many times, The bible doesn't talk about Christ working in Jesus. How can it, when He is called Jesus Christ (or Christ Jesus) 250 times? Where does the bible say that Christ was powerfully working in Jesus?

Power form the dying flesh or power from the living Spirit?

But He didn't just die; He defeated death, and rose again. That is power indeed!

Why was it necessary the Son of man Jesus's flesh appear as sinful.

I'm not sure what you mean. We are told:

“Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore [you] on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” (2Co 5:20-21 NKJV)

In John 6 he declared his own dying flesh profits for nothing. . . .it returns to the dust

Where in John 6 does He say that? He talks about His flesh being very profitable when He calls Himself the bread of life:

“"I am the bread of life. "Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. "This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. "I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."” (Joh 6:48-51 NKJV)

In the only place where He mentions the flesh profiting nothing, He doesn't say "My flesh", just "the flesh":

“"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and [they] are life.” (Joh 6:63 NKJV)

What we need is new spirit life not seen. His living words are spiritual . . . . . spirit life giving

I do agree with that.

 

[Mr GLee]

The Christ isn't the Holy Spirit. He promised the Holy Spirit to His disciples:

Yes, he did promise himself. I will save my children from their sin. I will never leave or forsake

Christ the one good teaching master is the Holy Spirit of promise.. . . .And it was very good.

Remember as new creatures (Christ in us) we miraculously can by faith the unseen things look to the eternal, powerful, faithful things of Christ

.Yoked with him our daily burden can be lighter with a living abiding hope beyond what the eyes see the temporal dying

He brings them to our Memory

Psalm 105:42 For he remembered his holy promise, and Abraham his servant.

In the same way he brings in memory each other as well as the previous things he has taught us.

 

[David Lamb]

Yes, he did promise himself. I will save my children from their sin. I will never leave or forsake

Christ the one good teaching master is the Holy Spirit of promise.. . . .And it was very good.

Remember as new creatures (Christ in us) we miraculously can by faith the unseen things look to the eternal, powerful, faithful things of Christ

.Yoked with him our daily burden can be lighter with a living abiding hope beyond what the eyes see the temporal dying

He brings them to our Memory

Psalm 105:42 For he remembered his holy promise, and Abraham his servant.

In the same way he brings in memory each other as well as the previous things he has taught us.

Yes He did promise that He would be with them. He also promised the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, and we read about the special way in which the Holy Spirit came upon the apostles in Acts 2:

“When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” (Ac 2:1-4 NKJV)

Nowhere in the bible are we told that the Holy Spirit is Christ.

 

[Rella]

Yes, whenever the one good teaching master the Father worked in the Son of man Jesus. It is recognized not coming from dying mankind Jesus the Son of man

Two different words Jesus (savoir) and Christ (anointing Holy Spirit)

Mark 10:16-18 ;And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.;And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Christ in with the Son of man. Nor Christ is the Son of man

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Not a salvation issue

You surly realize that Jesus was only half mortal, dont you?

Then are you claiming the half that was not mortal from the one who impregnated Mary also died.?

Whatever happened to the Word?

 

[David Lamb]

You surly realize that Jesus was only half mortal, dont you?

Then are you claiming the half that was not mortal from the one who impregnated Mary also died.?

Whatever happened to the Word?

I would say that according to the bible, Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man. He isn't half divine and half mortal.

 

[Mr GLee]

You surly realize that Jesus was only half mortal, dont you?

Then are you claiming the half that was not mortal from the one who impregnated Mary also died.?

Whatever happened to the Word?

Hi Thanks .

Yes, Jesus said a spirit has not flesh and bone. His flesh and bone retuned to dust .

Remember Satan has no spiritual insight he is not subject to the gospel Its all one died the dead things seen. the two sided coin Christ used .in a parable one seen the other not.

Satan the father of the lust of the flesh. . . lust of the eye two building blocks of false pride would make the word virgin in a fleshly master in order to draw away from the spiritual unseen gospel .(faith Christs)

Sexual sin another kind of doctrine, separate from the unseen spiritual chaste virgin (unmarried)using Tomity as a member of the virgin bride the church

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Mathew 1:18-23 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together,(married) she was found with c:hild of the Holy Ghost.Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. (All children are a gift of the Holy Spirit the breath of life) And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.;Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,;Behold, a virgin (un-wed) shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

 

[Eleanor]

We do know that all such signs, wonders and miracles throughout the scriptures from the beginning were worked through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Keeping in mind that Jesus is the Holy Spirit (2 Co 3:17).

Given that Jesus was 100% human, it seems likely that the same would be true for Jesus as well. And there is no record indicating otherwise. There is no record of Jesus working in such signs, wonders and miracles before that monumental event. That doesn't mean that He didn't, but that doesn't mean He did.

 

[Eleanor]

Yes He did promise that He would be with them. He also promised the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, and we read about the special way in which the Holy Spirit came upon the apostles in Acts 2:

“When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” (Ac 2:1-4 NKJV)

Nowhere in the bible are we told that the Holy Spirit is Christ.

2 Co 3:17?

 

[makesends]

Nowhere in the bible are we told that the Holy Spirit is Christ.

2 Co 3:17?

Wow, nice! That one didn't even begin to occur to me. My mind was going with the obvious fact, per Scripture, that the born again are indwelt by the Spirit, alongside the statement, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and we will come to him and will make a home with him." That, and the several references to the Spirit of Christ, and Spirit of the Lord, both of which I take to be the very Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God.