Trinity or Triune god doctrine

[grace2]

The most professed Christians believe in the Trinity or triune god.

they are called Trinitarians.

If you want to know about God and His Son Jesus, read the Bible yourself, not rely on the churches.

They just give you what most want to hear.

To start, read the gospel books Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and the Revelation.

Jesus and His apostles did not teach the Trinity or Jesus is God.

Jesus' word or teachings are not hard to understand like most churches are spreading.

Most churches are worshippers of the triune god which the Bible did not even mention once.

This teaching is called the trinity.

They will tell you that if you don't believe in the Trinity, you will not be saved which is utterly bogus.

This is the first thing they teach you to beginners in the Bible class.

It is called "brainwashing".

Christianity is all about what Jesus teaches and we are supposed to be His followers.
Jesus makes it clear that He is the Teacher.
So get to know Him by reading directly His word if you are interested in the whole truth about Christianity.

This is the gospel:

"for God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life"

John 3:16

It does not say if you believe in the Trinity or Jesus is God you will be saved.

blessings.

 

[Eleanor]

The most professed Christians believe in the Trinity or triune god.
they are called Trinitarians.
If you want to know about God and His Son Jesus, read the Bible yourself, not rely on the churches.
They just give you what most want to hear.
To start, read the gospel books Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and the Revelation.
Jesus and His apostles did not teach the Trinity or Jesus is God.

Contraire. . .on the Trinity:

That there is only one God, in three distinct divine persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, is shown in NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church (Lk 10:16), which presents three divine agents---with personal pronouns, personal titles, personal functions and acting as personal agents. . .thereby presenting the three divine agents in the one God as persons.
The Trinity, one God in three divine persons, is presented in NT apostolic teaching from the beginning.

1) We have three distinct persons (divine agents), Father, Son and Holy Spirit,
presented in the work of salvation:

a)--at its beginning (Luke 1:35),
----at the inauguration of Jesus' public ministry (Matthew 3:16-17) and
----in the work of atonement (Hebrews 9:14),

b) the Holy Spirit completing the work (salvation) of the Father through the Son (Acts 2:38-39; Romans 8:26; 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 1:3-14, Ephesians 2:13-22; 2 Thessalonians 2:13;1 Peter 1:2),

c) the only way to enter the kingdom of the Father (salvation) is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (John 3:1-15).

2) And Jesus shows the personhoods of three distinct divine agents:

The Son is sent by the Father, in the Father's name (John 5:23, 36, 43).
The Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (John 14:26).
The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (John 15:26, 16:7, 14:26).

One doesn't send oneself, one sends another who is distinct from oneself.

The Trinity--one God in three distinct divine persons--is presented in NT teaching from the beginning (Lk 1:35).

On Jesus is God:

Apostolic teaching identifies Jesus as the YHWH of the OT:

1) Mt 3:3 (Isa 40:3) - Isaiah prophecies a voice of one calling in the desert, "Prepare the way for YHWH," which was John the Baptist (Mk, Lk).
John prepared the way for Jesus (Mk 1:-8, Lk 3:16, Jn 1:29-34). . .making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 40:3.

2) Ro 10:9, 13 (Joel 2:32) - Joel prophesies that "everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved," which Paul quotes and applies to Jesus. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Joel 2:32.

3) Heb 1:6 (Dt 32:43) - Moses said, "Rejoice, O nations, with his people, and let all the angels worship him (YHWH), for he will avenge the blood of his servants (Septuagint translation), which Hebrews quotes and applies to Jesus. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Dt 32:43.

4) Eph 4:8-9 (Ps 68:18) - The psalmist states, "When you ascended on high. . .that you, O YHWH, might dwell there," which Paul applies to the ascended Christ. . .making Christ the YHWH of Ps 68:18

5) Jn 19:37 (Zec 12:10) - Zechariah prophesies that they will look on YHWH (12:1-2), the one they have pierced, which John applies to Jesus. . . making Jesus the YHWH of Zec 12:1-2, 10.

6) Lk 4:18-21 (Isa 61:1, 8) - Isaiah's prophecy identifies YHWH of vv. 7-8 with the Messiah of v. 1, which Jesus applies to himself. . .
making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 61:1, 7-8.

7) Rev 1:12-18 (Isa 44:6, 48:12) - In Rev 1:12-18, Jesus (1:18, 2:8) identifies himself as the First and the Last, which is YHWH of Isa 44:6, 48:12. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 44:6, 48:12.

8) In Rev 21:6, 22:12-13, Jesus (1:18, 2:8) is the Alpha and Omega who is the Lord God of Rev 1:8.

9) In Rev 20:11-13 w/ Jn 5:22, 27, 9:39, the one on the throne is Jesus, who in Rev 21:7 is God. . .making Jesus the God of Rev 21:7.

10) Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10 (Ge 1:1, Isa 44:24, Jer 10:16) - Isa 44:24 says YHWH created alone, while Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10 say Jesus brought all things into being, created all things including angels and by his power holds them in existence, and made the universe. . .so according to John, Paul and Hebrews, Jesus is the Elohim Creator YHWH of Ge, Isa and Jer.

That Jesus is God is clearly presented in apostolic teaching.

 

[grace2]

disclaimer:

This thread is not for debate.

I will respond to all honest or sincere inquiries.

blessings.

 

[Binyawmene]

If you want to know about God and His Son Jesus, read the Bible yourself, not rely on the churches.

The Trinity Allusions (John 14:16, Matthew 28:19, 1 Corinthians 12:4-6, 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Corinthians 13:14, Ephesians 4:4-6).

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (Matthew 28:19).​

- The Personhood of the Son

1. Person, with the Father (Hebrews 1:3, Colossians 1:15).
2. Distinction, with the Father (John 1:1, 17:5).
3. Inseparable, with the Father (John 8:29, John 16:32).
4. Union, with the Father (John 10:38, John 14:10-11).
5. Co-equal, with the Father (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6).
6. Co-eternal, with the Father (Psalms 90:2, Proverbs 8:25).
7. Co-glory, with the Father (Hebrews 1:3, John 17:10, 24).
8. Co-creator, with the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, Colossians 1:16).​

 

[Eleanor]

disclaimer:

This thread is not for debate.

I will respond to all honest or sincere inquiries.

blessings.

Nor is the NT testimony to the Trinity (posts #2, #4) debatable.

 

[Fred]

disclaimer:

This thread is not for debate.

I will respond to all honest or sincere inquiries.

blessings.

Pathetic.

 

[Eleanor]

disclaimer:

This thread is not for debate.

I will respond to all honest or sincere inquiries.

blessings.

But not to the Scriptures which prove your error?

That's a pretty good gig.

 

[grace2]

Trinity believing churches:

Catholics, And the most protestant churches.

So it is a humongous religion.

 

[makesends]

The most professed Christians believe in the Trinity or triune god.

they are called Trinitarians.

If you want to know about God and His Son Jesus, read the Bible yourself, not rely on the churches.

They just give you what most want to hear.

To start, read the gospel books Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and the Revelation.

Jesus and His apostles did not teach the Trinity or Jesus is God.

Jesus' word or teachings are not hard to understand like most churches are spreading.

Most churches are worshippers of the triune god which the Bible did not even mention once.

This teaching is called the trinity.

They will tell you that if you don't believe in the Trinity, you will not be saved which is utterly bogus.

This is the first thing they teach you to beginners in the Bible class.

It is called "brainwashing".

Christianity is all about what Jesus teaches and we are supposed to be His followers.
Jesus makes it clear that He is the Teacher.
So get to know Him by reading directly His word if you are interested in the whole truth about Christianity.

This is the gospel:

"for God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life"

John 3:16

It does not say if you believe in the Trinity or Jesus is God you will be saved.

blessings.

Are you done with your proselytizing yet?

 

[grace2]

Jesus says that narrow is the gate that leads you to life and only a few find it.

So according to Jesus' standard, humongous triune god-worshipping churches are out.

 

[makesends]

disclaimer:

This thread is not for debate.

I will respond to all honest or sincere inquiries.

blessings.

All threads on this site, as far as I know, are open for debate. There are some self-evident as being not for that purpose. But when you berate trinitarians I think you can expect to get a bit of backlash when you try to proselytize without proving your premises. We are not children.

 

[grace2]

The Greatest Commandment

Mark 12:28. One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus (Yahshua) had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"

29. "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God , the LORD is one.

You see, the Bible says God is one.

But trin churches changed it into God is triune.

So if you are interested in God's kingdom, all triune god believers come out of their man-made god, triune god.

 

[Eleanor]

You see, the Bible says God is one.

But trin churches changed it into God is triune.

So if you are interested in God's kingdom, all triune god believers come out of their man-made god, triune god.

There is one God in three divine persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Mt 28:19).

Sorry that you are in disagreement with the NT apostolic revelation of post #2.

 

[grace2]

Trins' man-made doctrine.

One God in three persons.

There is no such thing explained in the Bible.

No matter how much they try to show, it is non-existent.

It is shameful.

 

[grace2]

God has been warning, admonishing His people not to worship a man-made god repeatedly since OT times.

It is the most abominable sin that God hates.

 

[Eleanor]

Trins' man-made doctrine.

One God in three persons.

There is no such thing explained in the Bible.

No matter how much they try to show, it is non-existent.

It is shameful.

God has been warning, admonishing His people not to worship a man-made god repeatedly since OT times.

It is the most abominable sin that God hates.

Feel free to address the Biblical evidence in post #2.

 

[grace2]

Jesus says "If you love Me, keep the commandments".

Trin followers claim Jesus is God, but it is clear that they dont love Jesus as their Lord.

All His word is God and Jesus' commandments include all the warnings that They give us too.

 

[Eleanor]

Jesus says "If you love Me, keep the commandments".

Trin followers claim Jesus is God, but it is clear that they dont love Jesus as their Lord.

All His word is God and Jesus' commandments include all the warnings that They give us too.

He who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law (word of God, Ro 13:8)

 

[Bob Carabbio]

The most professed Christians believe in the Trinity or triune god.

they are called Trinitarians.

And since God presents Himself in three aspects, which we call "Persons". There's no problem at all. Our God is ONE GOD. FAther, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Simple as that.

 

[grace2]

Following the crowd or popular religion is hard to come out.