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The Trinity

Jude 4
For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

According to Jude 4 the only Master (despotēs) that applies to each Christian is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you agree?
What is eternal life?

Joh 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

Joh 17:3 Greek translation...

Αυτη δε εστιν η αιωνιος ζωη ινα γινωσκωσιν σε τον

SAME YET IS THE eonian LIFE THAT THEY-MAY-BE-KNOWING YOU THE

μονον αληθινον θεον και ον απεστειλας ιησουν χριστον

ONLY TRUE God AND WHOM YOU-commission JESUS ANOINTED

It is and was important to Jesus that we understand and know the only true God. That is what this search was all about. To seek and know the only true God, The Father! The Father tells us the only way we can know him is through his Son, Jesus!

Jesus who is our God through Agency as He sits at the right Hand of the only true God the Father. Jesus is not the source of his Deity. The source is the Father. Jesus is the mediator between the one God the Father and Man, there is no other.

Do you agree?
 
What is eternal life?

Joh 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

Joh 17:3 Greek translation...

Αυτη δε εστιν η αιωνιος ζωη ινα γινωσκωσιν σε τον

SAME YET IS THE eonian LIFE THAT THEY-MAY-BE-KNOWING YOU THE

μονον αληθινον θεον και ον απεστειλας ιησουν χριστον

ONLY TRUE God AND WHOM YOU-commission JESUS ANOINTED

It is and was important to Jesus that we understand and know the only true God. That is what this search was all about. To seek and know the only true God, The Father! The Father tells us the only way we can know him is through his Son, Jesus!

Jesus who is our God through Agency as He sits at the right Hand of the only true God the Father. Jesus is not the source of his Deity. The source is the Father. Jesus is the mediator between the one God the Father and Man, there is no other.

Do you agree?

Next time answer my question.
I don't need a lecture dodging it.
 
As we can easily read… David called King Saul "My Lord " but that does not make Saul God (1 Samuel 24:8).

Irrelevant, because Jesus is properly referred to by Thomas as "my God" in John 20:28.
 
God is not a man: In Numbers 23:19; "God is not a man..." defies the possibility that Yahshua The Messiah is God. The text states that: Yahwah is not an ("iys / man) that He should lie, nor the son of (Adam/Man")...
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent:

Also Here:

Hosea 11:9
I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a man— the Holy One among you.

Psalm 80:17
Let your hand rest on the man at your right hand, the son of man you have raised up for yourself.

Matthew 22:44
" 'The Lord said (Yahwah) said to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." '
(My lord) is Yahshua.

Matthew 26:64
"Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Matthew 22:41
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42"What do you think about the Messiah ? Whose son is he?" "The son of David," they replied. 43He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'lord'? For he says, 44" 'Yahwah said to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." 45If then David calls him 'lord,' how can he be his son?"

Matthew 1:1
This is the genealogy of Yahshua the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

Malachi 3:6
For I am (the Lord / Yahwah,) I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
 
God is not a man: In Numbers 23:19; "God is not a man..." defies the possibility that Yahshua The Messiah is God.


You left out the part where it says "that He should lie."

Jesus never lied.


Malachi 3:6
For I am (the Lord / Yahwah,) I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Malachi 3:6
(5) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
(6) For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. (KJV)

Notice that Malachi 3:6 begins with the word "for." This points back to verse 5 (which of course you didn't include) in which God will not change in His condemnation and judgment of the sins listed.
 
You left out the part where it says "that He should lie."

Jesus never lied.




Malachi 3:6
(5) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
(6) For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. (KJV)

Notice that Malachi 3:6 begins with the word "for." This points back to verse 5 (which of course you didn't include) in which God will not change in His condemnation and judgment of the sins listed.

What part of the word "not" do you NOT understand?
 
What part of the word "not" do you NOT understand?

You are being evasive. "Not" is used in association with never lying.

Your same so-called proof against Jesus being God actually supports that He is God.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him;
for God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

And since the Lord Jesus fully knows the hearts of all (John 2:24-25; Acts 1:24; 1 Corinthians 4:5; Revelation 2:23) demonstrates He is God.
 
You are being evasive. "Not" is used in association with never lying.

Your same so-called proof against Jesus being God actually supports that He is God.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him;
for God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

And since the Lord Jesus fully knows the hearts of all (John 2:24-25; Acts 1:24; 1 Corinthians 4:5; Revelation 2:23) demonstrates He is God.
Yahwah and Yahshua are not the same person. Your personal Trinity doctrine goes against the traditional Catholic doctrine of the Trinity.
 
Yahwah and Yahshua are not the same person. Your personal Trinity doctrine goes against the traditional Catholic doctrine of the Trinity.

You dodged 1 Samuel 16:7.
Try again.
 
1 Sam says YAHWAH.

Evasion.

Try this:
He sees not as man sees.


The verse goes on to explain why:
the LORD looks at the heart.


Jesus fully knows the hearts of all people which proves He is YHWH.
 
The Holy Spirit is a manifestation of Yahwah Himself and not a third person. There are more scriptures that go with these. Selah


Leviticus 24:16
anyone who blasphemes the name of Yahwah must be put to death.

Matthew 12:31
And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.


John 4:24
God is spirit
, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

Genesis 1:2
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Psalm 51:11
Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me.

Joshua 24:19
Joshua said to the people, "You are not able to serve Yahwah. He is a holy God; he is a jealous God. He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins.

1 Samuel 6:20
and the men of Beth Shemesh asked, "Who can stand in the presence of Yahwah, this holy God? To whom will the ark go up from here?"

Isaiah 5:16
But Yahwah Almighty will be exalted by his justice, and the holy God will show himself holy by his righteousness.

Psalm 99:3
Let them praise your great and awesome name— he is holy.

Psalm 99:5
Exalt Yahwah our God and worship at his footstool; he is holy.

Psalm 99:9
Exalt Yahwah our God and worship at his holy mountain, for Yahwah our God is holy.

Isaiah 57:15
For this is what the high and lofty One says— he who lives forever, whose name is holy:

Isaiah 63:10
Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them.

Isaiah 63:11
Then his people recalled the days of old, the days of Moses and his people— where is he who brought them through the sea, with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them,

1 Thessalonians 4:8
Therefore, anyone who rejects this instruction does not reject a human being but God, the very God who gives you his Holy Spirit.

Genesis 6:3

Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal ; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

Isaiah 30:1
“Woe to the obstinate children,” declares the LORD, “to those who carry out plans that are not mine, forming an alliance, but not by my Spirit, heaping sin upon sin;

Isaiah 42:1
“Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.

Isaiah 44:3
For I will pour water on the thirsty land, and streams on the dry ground; I will pour out my Spirit on your offspring, and my blessing on your descendants.

Isaiah 59:21
“As for me, this is my covenant with them,” says Yahwah. “My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will always be on your lips, on the lips of your children and on the lips of their descendants—from this time on and forever,” says Yahwah.

Ezekiel 36:27
And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

Ezekiel 37:14
I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.’”

Ezekiel 39:29
I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the people of Israel, declares the Lord Yahwah.”

Joel 2:28
“And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.

Joel 2:29
Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days.

Haggai 2:5
‘This is what I covenanted with you when you came out of Egypt. And my Spirit remains among you. Do not fear.’

Zechariah 4:6
So he said to me, “This is the word of Yahwah to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says Yahwah Almighty.

Zechariah 6:8
Then he called to me, “Look, those going toward the north country have given my Spirit rest in the land of the north.”

Numbers 11:29
But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all Yahwah’s people were prophets and that Yahwah would put his Spirit on them!”

Job 34:14
If it were his intention and he withdrew his spirit and breath,

Isaiah 34:16
Look in the scroll of Yahwah and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate. For it is his mouth that has given the order, and his Spirit will gather them together.

Isaiah 48:16
“Come near me and listen to this: “From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens, I am there.” And now my Lord Yahwah has sent me, endowed with his Spirit.

Zechariah 7:12
They made their hearts as hard as flint and would not listen to the law or to the words that Yahwah of Host had sent by his Spirit through the earlier prophets. So Yahwah of Host was very angry.

Romans 8:11
And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

1 Corinthians 2:10
these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

2 Corinthians 1:22
set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Galatians 3:5
So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

Ephesians 2:22
And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Ephesians 3:16
I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being,

Philippians 3:3
For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh—

1 John 4:13
This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit.
 
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John 1:14 . . The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

The Word's flesh didn't come into the world as a divine man, rather, as a Jewish
infant whose human origin can be easily traced to David, Abraham, Noah, and
ultimately Adam. So the big question is: How did the Word's flesh climb up from
a creature made of dust to a position of deity? Is such a thing even possible?
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He was deity as soon as when he was conceived by the power of the Highest. He was the Son of God.
 
Yea... but How!!!

How does God become his own deity...
It's called Trinity, as presented in the NT.

Both Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God, and with the Father all three are presented in NT teaching from the beginning.

1) We have three separate persons (divine agents), Father, Son and Holy Spirit,
presented in the work of salvation:

a)--at its beginning (Luke 1:35),
-----at the inauguration of Jesus' public ministry (Matthew 3:16-17) and
-----in the work of atonement (Hebrews 9:14),

b) the Holy Spirit completing the work (salvation) of the Father through the Son
(Acts 2:38-39; Romans 8:26; 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 1:3-14, Ephesians 2:13-22; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2),

c) the only way to enter the kingdom of the Father (salvation) is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (John 3:1-15).

2) And Jesus shows the personhoods of three distinct and separate divine agents:

The Son is sent by the Father, in the Father's name (John 5:23, 36, 43).
The Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (John 14:26).
The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (John 15:26, 16:7, 14:26).

One doesn't send oneself, one sends another who is separate from oneself.

The Trinity--one God in three separate divine persons--is presented in NT teaching from the beginning.
 
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recently, this has been my main question to the Trinitarian world concerning - Hebrews 10 : 12

I have contacted and written to every faithful trinitarian that I can contact, I have posted and expressed this question to all of the trinitarian world - this is the question that I have worked on day and night, working to assemble my question in the most clear and precise way.

and I have looked at the original manuscripts Greek - we find exactly what the manuscripts
are saying - in Hebrews 10 : 12


Please notice the ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPT MESSAGE

Heb 10:12 - ORIGINAL GREEK MANUSCRIPTS


HIM NOW THE ONE FOR SIN,, OFFERED UP A SACRIFICE INTO THAT FOREVER SETTING DOWNεν IN “ THE RIGHT OF GOD


Translated word for word exactly -- here
:12



αυτος Him - δε now - μιαν the one - υπερ for - αμαρτιων sin - προσενεγκας offered up -

θυσιαν a sacrifice - εις into - το that - διηνεκες forever - εκαθισεν set down - εν IN -

δεξια the right - του of - θεου God



The manuscripts are saying - exactly = :12 -

HIM NOW THE ONE FOR SIN,, OFFERED UP A SACRIFICE INTO THAT FOREVER SETTING DOWNεν IN “ THE RIGHT OF GOD

Meaning that Jesus
is -
{ FOREVER TO DWELL εν IN “ - IN THE RIGHT OF GOD ) - ACCORDING TO THE MANUSCRIPT ORIGINAL MESSAGE -


but the Protestant Trinitarian translation omits and changes this to say that


JESUS OFFERED ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOR EVER,,,, - SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD;

this is much different from the original that says that - FOR SIN,,, OFFERED UP A SACRIFICE INTO THAT FOREVER SETTING DOWN IN THE RIGHT OF GOD. please, can the Trinitarian answer, when does Jesus be removed and taken away and loose his seat and position of being GLORIFIED to sit at the right hand of God ? ?

and why did Protestants change the Catholic translation by simply moving the punctuation mark of a " Comma " " , " instead of just translating the verse as the original message is transmitted in the manuscript.



in Hebrews 10:12 - it is very interesting about the Trinity Doctrine in that how the Catholic Douay Rheims and the Latin Vulgate contradict and disagree with the contrasting Protestant K.J.V.


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. Firstly - Let's look at - Heb 10:12 first from the - Catholic Douay Rheims and the Latin Vulgate

Heb 10:12 :12 But this man, offering one sacrifice for sins, for ever sitteth on the right hand of God,



2. and now - the Protestant K.J.V.

Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
 
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