The Trinity

[Tambora]

That a lot of words for Jesus never saying "I am God."

It wasn't "a lot of words", Jesus quoted Dan 7:13 and it was very clear.

I am seeing a pattern here. Every question I have asked has, thus far, has been responded to without actually saying directly.

Jesus said it directly by quoting Dan 7:13, making nothing unclear about it.
The crowd there knew exactly what He meant.

So is it possible you got it all wrong and misunderstood Jesus?

Nope, Jesus made it crystal clear using scripture instead of the way some foolish modern day person thought he ought to say it.

 

[Red Baker]

So far my questions remains open and unanswered.

Your name describes you perfectly~Runningman...you ran right around my post to you #432 in response to your post of #431. Take your blinders off and stop and answer my post to you.

I asked you an easy question that you should be able to answer directly. You responded with a maze of verses and passages

Why do you not at least take what she posted and disprove it? Truth has no problem of addressing scriptures, that's what truth DOES, it speak according to the testimony of God, and if not, it is because there is no light in the person speaking, at least on the subject being discuss.

Isaiah 8:20​

“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”

that must be interpreted in your way or else it can't be comprehended in the "correct" way.

Prove it. That's each person responsibility to defend their teachings according to the word of God, regardless how other may think they should be interpreted.

Nothing there plainly and directly says what your premise asserts.

Prove it. Or, take what she said and show her and others why her scriptures are not according to your question. It's just that simple.

Your words saying that her post is irrelevant to your question is a cop out on your part. You need to prove it by using what she said. You saying what you have said means nothing, and surely proves nothing.

I am asking for which Scripture explains or describes the Trinity directly in God's, Jesus', or the disciples' own words.

All of the word of God are words given directly from his mouth!

2nd Peter 1:20,21~"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2nd Timothy 3:16~"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

1st Peter 1:11​

“Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.”

There you have all three! Selah

 

[Arial]

I asked you an easy question that you should be able to answer directly. You responded with a maze of verses and passages that must be interpreted in your way or else it can't be comprehended in the "correct" way. Nothing there plainly and directly says what your premise asserts. I am asking for which Scripture explains or describes the Trinity directly in God's, Jesus', or the disciples' own words. So far my questions remains open and unanswered.

That is not what you asked.

Where is the Trinity explained or described in the Bible?

That is what was asked. That is what was given. So now you move the goal post to the entire concept must be contained in one scripture as a direct statement? That is asking us to find a proof text and that is not the way we operate. It is not the way to learn. So why don't you actually interact with the scriptures that are given and then find fault in them and the concept as presented by the Bible itself, it you can.

 

[Red Baker]

There are not three separate beings. . .there are three distinct persons in one Being, God.

Greetings my dear sister~RB

 

[Rella]

Did the Father and have a conversation with Holy Spirit ?

The Holy Spirit has spoken to me, as I have him. You may be running too fast to hear

 

[Rella]

There are not three separate beings. . .there are three distinct persons in one Being, God.

They cannot understand. They are blinded. Someone said the spirit of anti-Christ and that may well be it.

 

[Eleanor]

I asked you an easy question that you should be able to answer directly. You responded with a maze of verses and passages that must be interpreted in your way or else it can't be comprehended in the "correct" way. Nothing there plainly and directly says what your premise asserts. I am asking for which Scripture explains or describes the Trinity directly in God's, Jesus', or the disciples' own words. So far my questions remains open and unanswered.

Scriptures which describe the Trinity are presented in post #424.

Your inability to see them (1 Co 2:14) is above my pay grade.

I likewise ask you an easy question: Where does Scripture state, "God is sovereign."

So how do we know it with no explicit statement thereof?

That is also how I know God is Trinity, as demonstrated in post #424 for those who have eyes that can see (1 Co 2:14).

Your objections are without merit until you Biblically demonstrate the Biblical error in my post #424.

So as always,

All hat. . .and no cowboy.

 

[Ghada]

No mention of praying to Jesus anywhere here.

You don't believe Jesus is Lord?

 

[Red Baker]

The Holy Spirit has spoken to me, as I have him. You may be running too fast to hear

LOL

 

[Ghada]

They cannot understand. They are blinded.

Oneness vs trinitarian can be a dispute among beleivers in the Lord Jesus. Whether Jesus is both Lord and God or not, is a separation of believers from unbelievers.

Someone said the spirit of anti-Christ and that may well be it.

True, if somone is preaching a created Christ. An antichrist is anyone coming out to declare Jesus is the Christ, who then proceeds to teach things aginst Him being Lord and God coming in the flesh of man, and risen again from the dead.

Unbelieving Jews and Mulsims that pay lip service to Jesus as a great teacher and prophet, are not antichrists, but unbeleivers in another religion.

 

[Red Baker]

You don't believe Jesus is Lord?

No the JW's do not~they reject Jesus Christ being the God of Genesis 1:1~so, right off the bat they reject the entire teachings of the word of God~ miss it there, and there is no hope for that person, because they are speaking against the Sprit's testimony~that is linked to such scriptures as:

Hebrews 1:8-10~"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:"

The mystery of godliness~Jesus is both God and the Son of God, thereby as man (in his humanity) has a God! Both are true! If anyone rejects his complex nature as being both God and man, then that person has rejected the doctrine of Christ, and by doing so, is an antichrist.

There are so many others we could post and speak on ~ but, to those folk, no man could never give them enough proof, for they would mock truth, while loving their cults teaching above the word of God. Leave them to rot in their own corrupt teachings that sinks to high heaven.

 

[Eleanor]

Oneness vs trinitarian can be a dispute among beleivers in the Lord Jesus. Whether Jesus is both Lord and God or not, is a separation of believers from unbelievers.


True, if somone is preaching a created Christ.

Was not the man, Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, created (Lk 1:30-35)?

An antichrist is anyone coming out to declare Jesus is the Christ, who then proceeds to teach things aginst Him being Lord and God coming in the flesh of man, and risen again from the dead.

Unbelieving Jews and Mulsims that pay lip service to Jesus as a great teacher and prophet, are not antichrists, but unbeleivers in another religion.

 

[Red Baker]

Oneness vs trinitarian can be a dispute among believers in the Lord Jesus.

This is a true statement.

Whether Jesus is both Lord and God or not, is a separation of believers from unbelievers.

Amen.

True, if someone is preaching a created Christ. An antichrist is anyone coming out to declare Jesus is the Christ, who then proceeds to teach things against Him being Lord and God coming in the flesh of man, and risen again from the dead.

True~but, more could be added to prove one is an antichrist~they also could preach and teach against Christ's limited atonement, and many other such truths.

2nd Peter 2:1,2~"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of."

Jude 1:4​

“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Question: How do men deny the Lord that bought them, as professing follower of God? Well, yes the Jehovah "false" Witnesses deny Jesus' deity, along with others who reject the atonement of Jesus Christ being limited to his people whom God has chosen to eternal life~which life, was secured for them by Jesus being made their surety. False prophets of the latter days just before Jesus' coming again, will deny much of the word of God while claiming to be great defenders of the truth, when in truth, are just as guilty as some of the most obvious false cults.

Surely we are living in perilous times! 2nd TImothy 3:1-4:5.

 

[Eleanor]

This is a true statement.

Amen.

True~but, more could be added to prove one is an antichrist~they also could preach and teach against Christ's limited atonement, and many other such truths.

Keeping in mind that all the OT sacrifices, including the Day of Atonement, which was the pre-figure of Christ's sacrifice, were for the people of God only. There was no atonement for unbelievers.

Jude 1:4​

“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Question: How do men deny the Lord that bought them, as professing follower of God? Well, yes the Jehovah "false" Witnesses deny Jesus' deity, along with others who reject the atonement of Jesus Christ being limited to his people whom God has chosen to eternal life~which life, was secured for them by Jesus being made their surety. False prophets of the latter days just before Jesus' coming again, will deny much of the word of God while claiming to be great defenders of the truth, when in truth, are just as guilty as some of the most obvious false cults.

Surely we are living in perilous times! 2nd TImothy 3:1-4:5.

 

[Runningman]

It wasn't "a lot of words", Jesus quoted Dan 7:13 and it was very clear.



Jesus said it directly by quoting Dan 7:13, making nothing unclear about it.
The crowd there knew exactly what He meant.


Nope, Jesus made it crystal clear using scripture instead of the way some foolish modern day person thought he ought to say it.

Your name describes you perfectly~Runningman...you ran right around my post to you #432 in response to your post of #431. Take your blinders off and stop and answer my post to you.

Why do you not at least take what she posted and disprove it? Truth has no problem of addressing scriptures, that's what truth DOES, it speak according to the testimony of God, and if not, it is because there is no light in the person speaking, at least on the subject being discuss.

Isaiah 8:20​

“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”

Prove it. That's each person responsibility to defend their teachings according to the word of God, regardless how other may think they should be interpreted.


Prove it. Or, take what she said and show her and others why her scriptures are not according to your question. It's just that simple.

Your words saying that her post is irrelevant to your question is a cop out on your part. You need to prove it by using what she said. You saying what you have said means nothing, and surely proves nothing.

All of the word of God are words given directly from his mouth!

1st Peter 1:11​

“Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.”

There you have all three! Selah

Scriptures which describe the Trinity are presented in post #424.

Your inability to see them (1 Co 2:14) is above my pay grade.

I likewise ask you an easy question: Where does Scripture state, "God is sovereign."

So how do we know it with no explicit statement thereof?

That is also how I know God is Trinity, as demonstrated in post #424 for those who have eyes that can see (1 Co 2:14).

Your objections are without merit until you Biblically demonstrate the Biblical error in my post #424.

So as always,

All hat. . .and no cowboy.

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[Red Baker]

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I understand you doing your job~but I would love to have read it, and then answer him back with the word of God, something they are incapable of doing. When they have no answers they resort to Ad hominems.

 

[Eleanor]

I understand you doing your job~but I would love to have read it, and then answer him back with the word of God, something they are incapable of doing.

I'm thinkin' she probably did the right thing. . .inflammatory is not acceptable.

 

[Carbon]

I understand you doing your job~but I would love to have read it, and then answer him back with the word of God, something they are incapable of doing.

I understand, but there has to be a time to draw the line. Unless they are afraid to be exposed they can post these things in the Unitarian, JW areas.

 

[Carbon]

I'm thinkin' she probably did the right thing. . .inflammatory is not acceptable.

ummm, "he" did the right thing.

 

[Eleanor]

ummm, "he" did the right thing.

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