The Trinity

[CrowCross]

The word (Divine) is a translation, and the word (God) is a interpretation.

The word "God" is a modern day English invention.

Greek word TON and THEON.
From the Scripture4All program. Link: Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

The Greek word "TON" is translated 1583 times as "the;" And 18 times as "the -one." It is used before nouns to mean a {certain-one-person-s,} or place, or thing. However, different translations of Greek do not always agree. That is the reason for my interpretation of John 1:1 as "the only Divine Eternal." In English the word “one” can also be translated as “only.” TON: The only. THEON: Divine Eternal.

John 1:1

Greek:
en arche eimi ho logos kai ho logos eimi pros ton theon kai theos eimi ho logos

Interlinear:
en (in) arche (beginning) eimi (was) ho (the) logos (Word) kai (and) ho (the) logos (Word) eimi (was) pos (toward or with) ton (TON is a special definite article "the" meaning "the only," it appears as TON instead of O in the Greek) theon (Divine Eternal) kai (and) theos (divine) eimi (was) ho (the) logos (Word)

In English we have:
In beginning was the Word, and the Word was with (the only) Divine Eternal, and divine was the Word.

Why do translators drop off the definite article TON (the only) before Divine Eternal?

The divine Word became flesh....Jesus who is and still is divine. Equal to the Father and Holy Spirit.

 

[CrowCross]

Yahshua is a created being.
Proverbs 8
1 Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?

LOL.....Jesus is a "she"?

 

[donadams]

The elohiym (gods of "The Living One") are immortal beings. Yahwah was the only person to ever come into being upon His own accord.

Isaiah 43:10
“You are my witnesses,” declares (the Lord / Yahwah,) “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.
The word (was) is not in the original text.

Yahwah is The Only True God. Yahwah is Holy, and Yahwah is a Spirit. That is why Yahwah's title is Holy Spirit.

Psalm 51:11
Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me.

Isaiah 63:10
Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them.

Isaiah 63:11
Then his people recalled the days of old, the days of Moses and his people— where is he who brought them through the sea, with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them,

Yahshua is a created being.
Proverbs 8
1 Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
2 At the highest point along the way,
where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
3 beside the gate leading into the city,
at the entrance, she cries aloud:
4 “To you, O people, I call out;
I raise my voice to all mankind.
5 You who are simple, gain prudence;
you who are foolish, set your hearts on it.
6 Listen, for I have trustworthy things to say;
I open my lips to speak what is right.
7 My mouth speaks what is true,
for my lips detest wickedness.
8 All the words of my mouth are just;
none of them is crooked or perverse.
9 To the discerning all of them are right;
they are upright to those who have found knowledge.
10 Choose my instruction instead of silver,
knowledge rather than choice gold,
11 for wisdom is more precious than rubies,
and nothing you desire can compare with her.
12 “I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence;
I possess knowledge and discretion.
(See Isaiah 11:2.)
13 To fear the Lord is to hate evil;
I hate pride and arrogance,
evil behavior and perverse speech.
14 Counsel and sound judgment are mine;
I have insight, I have power.
15 By me kings reign
and rulers issue decrees that are just;
16 by me princes govern,
and nobles—all who rule on earth.
17 I love those who love me,
and those who seek me find me.
18 With me are riches and honor,
enduring wealth and prosperity.
19 My fruit is better than fine gold;
what I yield surpasses choice silver.
20 I walk in the way of righteousness,
along the paths of justice,
21 bestowing a rich inheritance on those who love me
and making their treasuries full.
22 “The Lord (Yahwah) brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.
32 “Now then, my children, listen to me;
blessed are those who keep my ways.
33 Listen to my instruction and be wise;
do not disregard it.
34 Blessed are those who listen to me,
watching daily at my doors,
waiting at my doorway.
35 For those who find me find life
and receive favor from the Lord. (Yahwah)
36 But those who fail to find me harm themselves;
all who hate me love death.”

The father is God!
The son is God!
The Holy Spirit is God!

But there are not three Gods but one God!

The father is Lord!
The son is Lord!
The Holy Spirit is Lord!

But there are not three Lords but one Lord!

Deut. 6:4

All are divine and uncreated and eternal!

The Father- Psalm 93:2
The Son- Jesus Isaiah 9:6
The Holy Spirit- Hebrews 9:14

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

And christ a divine person became man!

True God & true man!

Why Hebrew words are you a Jew? Or a Christian?

Thanks

 

[donadams]

You need to be more specific.

How do you know it’s not in them if you don’t possess them

There are other scriptures that refer to the holy trinity
Matt 3:16-17
Matt 17:2-5
Matt 28:19

 

[donadams]

Apostolic Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D. with authority from Christ to bind the faith of all Christians. Matt 16:19 & 18:18

If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.

The trinity and divinity are Christian doctrines and faith you cannot be a Christian and reject them!

 

[donadams]

CherubRam said:

“Yahwah was the only person to ever come into being upon His own accord”.

That’s heresy

God is eternal and uncreated!

Always existed!
Exists now!
Shall always exist forever more!

Thanks

 

[Mr GLee]

Do you have an example of where scripture has been changed?

I would not say changed . Adding to taking away the authority of God with the oral traditions of dying mankind making the living word of God sola scriptura without effect

Can't serve two writen laws. The Catholic Bible the (CCC )and the Holy Bible (sola scriptura)

 

[CherubRam]

LOL.....Jesus is a "she"?

Learn to read English.

 

[CherubRam]

The divine Word became flesh....Jesus who is and still is divine. Equal to the Father and Holy Spirit.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Who is equal to God?
Philippians 2:6 Commentary.

Isaiah 40:25
“To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.

Isaiah 46:5
“With whom will you compare me or count me equal? To whom will you liken me that we may be compared?

Philippians 2:5-7
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Yahshua: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

That word "equal" could be translated in other words, such as, "equated," or "counted," or "equality." If Yahshua states that "The Father is greater than I" and refers to his Father in prayer as "You, the only true God." It then is obvious that he's not equal to the one who sent him. "God exalted him," he did not exalt himself.
Here is an alternate reading of Philippians 2:6. Who being in the form of God did not think equality with God as obtainable.
The alternate translation must be correct, because thinking of yourself as equal to God is not humble. Besides that, it would be a contradiction to other scriptures.

John 10:29
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

John 13:16
Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.

John 14:28
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

 

[CherubRam]

The father is God!
The son is God!
The Holy Spirit is God!

But there are not three Gods but one God!

The father is Lord!
The son is Lord!
The Holy Spirit is Lord!

But there are not three Lords but one Lord!

Deut. 6:4

All are divine and uncreated and eternal!

The Father- Psalm 93:2
The Son- Jesus Isaiah 9:6
The Holy Spirit- Hebrews 9:14

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

And christ a divine person became man!

True God & true man!

Why Hebrew words are you a Jew? Or a Christian?

Thanks

Christianity comes from Judaism.

2 Kings 19:30
Once more a remnant of the kingdom of Judah will take root below and bear fruit above.

Psalm 80:15
the root your right hand has planted, the son you have raised up for yourself.

Isaiah 11:1
A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

Isaiah 11:10
In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his resting place will be glorious.

Isaiah 53:2
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

Zechariah 3:8
“‘Listen, High Priest of Joshua, you and your associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come: I am going to bring my servant, the Branch.

Zechariah 6:12
Tell him this is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘Here is the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of the Lord.

John 15:6
If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

Romans 11:18
do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

 

[CherubRam]

CherubRam said:

“Yahwah was the only person to ever come into being upon His own accord”.

That’s heresy

God is eternal and uncreated!

Always existed!
Exists now!
Shall always exist forever more!

Thanks

I do not follow Catholic doctrines like you do.

 

[donadams]

Christianity comes from Judaism.

2 Kings 19:30
Once more a remnant of the kingdom of Judah will take root below and bear fruit above.

Psalm 80:15
the root your right hand has planted, the son you have raised up for yourself.

Isaiah 11:1
A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

Isaiah 11:10
In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his resting place will be glorious.

Isaiah 53:2
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

Zechariah 3:8
“‘Listen, High Priest of Joshua, you and your associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come: I am going to bring my servant, the Branch.

Zechariah 6:12
Tell him this is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘Here is the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of the Lord.

John 15:6
If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

Romans 11:18
do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

Does this mean we must be Jewish or judeo-Christian?

 

[donadams]

I do not follow Catholic doctrines like you do.

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13) one faith (eph 4:5) the faith delivered to the apostles (Jude 1:3)

 

[Ghada]

John 16:13-15
13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14"He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15"All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

This is a good point. Only God is glorified in the Bible.

Jesus being God is only denied by the 'christ-creators'. However, the Godhead being 3 Persons is denied by the 'Oneness' Christian that preach a Godhead of one person only. The Father is the Son is the Holy Spirit.

The christ-angel teachers, are easily refuted by one verse:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the oneness teachers are also easily refuted by one verse:

Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
It's impossible for the Father and Son to be one and the same person, otherwise Scripture is saying the believers are all one and the same person.

In such cases as these, those who harden themselves to keep false teaching, will also inevitably have to also reject plain grammar. It proves that some 'believers' in the Bible don't believe all the words of the Bible.

Doctrinal 'oneness' of the Bible is that of unity, even as the children of Israel went to battle as 'one man'. So are the members of Christ are exhorted to be unified in the faith, as one body, even as the Father and the Son are unified as one Godhead.

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This unity is also for marriage in being made 'one flesh', which is likened to Christ and His church, being made one Head and body.

For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Unity in the body of Christ on earth is rife with unnecessary division, because some members don't take all of God's words serious enough to believe them over our own traditions and beliefs.

 

[grace2]

This is a good point. Only God is glorified in the Bible.

Jesus is the Son but His Father glorified Him.

So you are wrong.

 

[CherubRam]

Does this mean we must be Jewish or judeo-Christian?

Think about this:
Christ did not come to introduce Paganism to us.

Pope Gregory and Paganism.

The attitude of the Catholic Church toward paganism is best summed up by Pope Gregory the Great, in his words to a missionary: “You must not interfere with any traditional belief or religious observance that can be harmonized with Christianity.”

Pope Gregory 540 – 12 March 604.



Not only were the Congregations divided by Gnosticism, but enticed by philosophy and paganism also, and there were geographic divisions as well.



What were the Pagan beliefs harmonized with Christianity? The answer can be found by comparing Orthodox Judaism to Paganism.

 

[Mr GLee]

Christianity comes from Judaism.

Abel the apostle prophet, is the first listed born again Christian.

The idea of using a Jew .named after Abraham whose father was a Amorite and mother a Hittite (both) enemies of God whose new name signifies the Holy Father of all the nations of the world . Previously Abram Father of one family or nation .

The Holy Father named her Israel as in all israel are not born again Christian. Not pertaining to the dying flesh of mankind . Christian the new name the Father promised to name the bride in Isaiah 62 . A more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations of the word

 

[donadams]

Those who deny the most holy trinity are in violation of this site!

Statement of Faith​

1) We believe there is only one living and true God, Creator of all things, infinite in wisdom, goodness and love, eternally existing in three persons, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.
(Ex 20:1-6; Deut 6:4; Ps 96:4-5; Matt 28:19; John 1:1; 2Cor 13:14)

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!

 

[CrowCross]

Learn to read English.

You identified Jesus as a "she"...perhaps your pro-noun is "she"..."her"...

 

[Mr GLee]

Those who deny the most holy trinity are in violation of this site!

Statement of Faith​

1) We believe there is only one living and true God, Creator of all things, infinite in wisdom, goodness and love, eternally existing in three persons, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.
(Ex 20:1-6; Deut 6:4; Ps 96:4-5; Matt 28:19; John 1:1; 2Cor 13:14)

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!

That's your statement of faith coming from your Pope a daysman . Not Christ's statement faith as it is written

OK the true Faithfull Creator. . our Holy Father the holy Spirit of Sonship performing the work of His Holy Spirit. Yoked with dying mankind he makes our daily burden lighter as we pray as he give us the daily bread (sola scriptura) .

Sounds like one God to me.Not a legion of patrons saint gods called fathers

No room for a queen mother of heaven .

The loving commandment. Matthew 23:9 . will you obey it today or harden your heart? ????

Call no man as dying mankind on earth His Holiness , Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the Vatican City State, Servant of the servants of God".