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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

Those at Matt 7:21-23 believe they have faith. Mortals MUST meet requirements.
Yes, they were not trusting in Christ's work of faith as a labor of his love. They were not called to go. In other words, God did not know them according to his labor of love. He did not say they did not preach but again they were not sent.

Those he does send. Are both empowered to believe Christ and do it to the good pleasure of God .The fruit of his righteousness. Not the fruit of self-righteousness . .No faith coming from Christ.
 
Jesus died for those who live righteous in this satan ruled system. Jesus was clear-FEW will find the road that leads off into life. Because Few obey. Few bother to learn and apply EVERY utterance from God because a blind guide assured them-you are saved.
Those who Christ died for will receive all the Sanctifying Grace they need to set them apart unto God, cant you read what Heb 10:10 says ?

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The word sanctified is in the perfect tense and means:

  1. o separate from profane things and dedicate to God
    1. consecrate things to God
    2. dedicate people to God
  2. to purify
    1. to cleanse externally
    2. to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
    3. to purify internally by renewing of the soul
 
Yes, they were not trusting in Christ's work of faith as a labor of his love. They were not called to go. In other words, God did not know them according to his labor of love. He did not say they did not preach but again they were not sent.

Those he does send. Are both empowered to believe Christ and do it to the good pleasure of God .The fruit of his righteousness. Not the fruit of self-righteousness . .No faith coming from Christ.
There are 4 different Jesus' taught on earth.
 
Those who Christ died for will receive all the Sanctifying Grace they need to set them apart unto God, cant you read what Heb 10:10 says ?

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The word sanctified is in the perfect tense and means:

  1. o separate from profane things and dedicate to God
    1. consecrate things to God
    2. dedicate people to God
  2. to purify
    1. to cleanse externally
    2. to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
    3. to purify internally by renewing of the soul
There is a whole bible for a reason.
 
1)trinity religionsssssss=Jesus is apart of a godhead made up of 3=Father, son and holy spirit
2) Muslims= Jesus was a prophet, not Gods son.
3) Jewish= Jesus received his power from Demons, and is not the Messiah
4) Jehovah witness= Jesus is Gods son, not God, Gods appointed king= The Messiah.
The Jehovah witnesses are correct.
 
Do you understand the part of the bible I just posted and the Truths thereof ? Care to discuss them ?
I explained things already what don't you understand? Everything i showed you is in the bible. The whole bible makes truth.
 
1)trinity religionsssssss=Jesus is apart of a godhead made up of 3=Father, son and holy spirit
2) Muslims= Jesus was a prophet, not Gods son.
3) Jewish= Jesus received his power from Demons, and is not the Messiah
4) Jehovah witness= Jesus is Gods son, not God, Gods appointed king= The Messiah.
The Jehovah witnesses are correct.
Those three make up one God "not seen."

The Son of Man Jesus dying mankind is not part of the head

The Son of man Jesus dying mankind demonstrated the invisible power of the Father. God is one . The Holy Spirit is of the Father the Spirit of Christ the anointing teacher guiding comforting us by his Spirit. The Father providing the Spirit of Sonship that works in all believers that cries out abba Father. Jesus in dying flesh demonstrated it to the world.The father pouring out his Spirit life in jeopardy of his own spirit life, pouring out life on dying flesh.

Jesus the Son of man a prophet was the prophet that all other prophets pointed to. . the coming of a sufferings saviour demonstrated gloriously through the son a reflection of the Father's glory


Hebrews 7: 1-3King James Version7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed hi2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Sons of God is what we are. . what we will be is not revealed

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
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This aint going to work
Not when one takes a single line and thinks it makes a whole truth. Then another shows them what Jesus taught on the matter and they throw it away to believe that one line. That wont work with God for the one refusing to believe Jesus.
 
Those three make up one God "not seen."

The Son of Man Jesus dying mankind is not part of the head

The Son of man Jesus dying mankind demonstrated the invisible power of the Father. God is one . The Holy Spirit is of the Father the Spirit of Christ the anointing teacher guiding comforting us by his Spirit. The Father providing the Spirit of Sonship that works in all believers that cries out abba Father. Jesus in dying flesh demonstrated it to the world.The father pouring out his Spirit life in jeopardy of his own spirit life, pouring out life on dying flesh.

Jesus the Son of man a prophet was the prophet that all other prophets pointed to. . the coming of a sufferings saviour demonstrated gloriously through the son a reflection of the Father's glory


Hebrews 7: 1-3King James Version7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed hi2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Sons of God is what we are. . what we will be is not revealed

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
The rest of 1John 3 shows who are Gods children--It says--its impossible for a child of God to practice even 1 sin). The rest are the devils children. Gods own chosen religion in Jesus' day were the devils children. Few followed Jesus the rest followed the Israelite spiritual teachers to their doom. They were in such darkness they had Jesus murdered, they murdered most of the apostles, then the followers were being murdered. To this day the Israelite religion rejects Jesus.
 
The rest of 1John 3 shows who are Gods children--It says--its impossible for a child of God to practice even 1 sin). The rest are the devils children. Gods own chosen religion in Jesus' day were the devils children. Few followed Jesus the rest followed the Israelite spiritual teachers to their doom. They were in such darkness they had Jesus murdered, they murdered most of the apostles, then the followers were being murdered. To this day the Israelite religion rejects Jesus.

Who said one sin? Which one sin is that, falling short of the glory of being God?

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Do you fall short?
 
Redeemed from the curse of the Law !

Those Christ died for are consequently saved, redeemed from the curse of the Law. Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Now it tells us specifically how these believers were redeemed from the curse of the Law. Succinctly stated "being made a curse for us:" This refers to His death, its the same as when he wrote to the Church at Corinthians these words "For he hath made him to be sin for us"

So anyone for whom Christ died, has been redeemed from the curse of the Law.

So when Jesus shall say to these Matt 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Its absolutely impossible any of these on left hand, can be anyone Christ was made sin or a curse for ! 2
 
Who said one sin? Which one sin is that, falling short of the glory of being God?

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Do you fall short?
1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21= 2 lists of unacceptable sins-Paul mentions spiritism at Gal, the Greek word = Pharmacia, thus drug addiction is apart of that, so with both those lists and all the false god worship on earth = 99% being mislead to not enter Gods kingdom.
 
The Death of Christ alone saved them he died for, namely the Elect, the Sheep, since by His One Offering they were sanctified unto God once and for all Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Do you think John 12:32 means all men are drawn to Jesus salvifically?
 
Another passage of scripture that Illustrates and proves that Christs death effects saving/converting results is 1 Pet 1:18-21

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 2
 
1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21= 2 lists of unacceptable sins-Paul mentions spiritism at Gal, the Greek word = Pharmacia, thus drug addiction is apart of that, so with both those lists and all the false god worship on earth = 99% being mislead to not enter Gods kingdom.

Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, (anything thing that intoxicated or invigorates) wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

I am not encouraging the use of any drug.

A little can relieve the stress of obeying the will of the Father. Take two and call upon the Lord in the morning.

Drug addictions using the word "wine" in the Bible (anything thing that intoxicated or invigorates) Drugs one of the many addictions, like food or false pride. . .all called eating too much honey .The sweetness of the living word using Honey applied of the milk of the word. Milk teaches us God is grscuios .

1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

To much pride as honey the little he does give can be cast out .

Do not be drunk on it, it can lead to dissipation of His Spirit . A little honey is good for the soul

Drugs, No less forgivable than looking with lust after the dying things of this world.

The twelve tribes used mandrake to make procreation deals with the other wives . Sent thier children off to Gotham the drug capital of the world to purchase .

Genesis 30:15 And she said unto her, Is it a small matter that thou hast taken my husband? and wouldest thou take away my son's mandrakes also? And Rachel said, Therefore he shall lie with thee to night for thy son's mandrakes.

Genesis 30:16 bAnd Jacob came out of the field in the evening, and Leah went out to meet him, and said, Thou must come in unto me; for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night.

Song of Solomon 7:13 The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.

Mandrake the pleasant fruit along with grapes, pomegranates, and “every delicacy”

The commandment is not to be drunk on it, a little relief yes,

23 times in the old treatment the phrase "milk and honey" is used to represent the gospel Milk teaches us God is gracious, honey the sweet fellowship of two walking as one according to the power of his name

Revelation 10: 1-7 Young's Literal Translation1 And I saw another strong messenger coming down out of the heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow upon the head, and his face as the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire, and he had in his hand a little scroll opened, and he did place his right foot upon the sea, and the left upon the land and he cried with a great voice, as a lion doth roar, and when he cried, speak out did the seven thunders their voices; and when the seven thunders spake their voices, I was about to write, and I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, `Seal the things that the seven thunders spake,' and, `Thou mayest not write these things.'And the messenger whom I saw standing upon the sea, and upon the land, did lift up his hand to the heaven, and did swear in Him who doth live to the ages of the ages, who did create the heaven and the things in it, and the land and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it -- that time shall not be yet, but in the days of the voice of the seventh messenger, when he may be about to sound, and the secret of God may be finished, as He did declare to His own servants, to the prophets. And the voice that I heard out of the heaven is again speaking with me, and saying, `Go, take the little scroll that is open in the hand of the messenger who hath been standing upon the sea, and upon the land:' and I went away unto the messenger, saying to him, `Give me the little scroll;' and he saith to me, `Take, and eat it up, and it shall make thy belly bitter, but in thy mouth it shall be sweet -- as honey.' And I took the little scroll out of the hand of the messenger, and did eat it up, and it was in my mouth as honey -- sweet, and when I did eat it -- my belly was made bitter;

Twice . . when I did eat it -- my belly was made bitter; to emphasize the source of faith not of our belly or soul

He sets the thermostat Not the wife his bride (LOL) It can get cold for some hot to another

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Psalm 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth
 
You quoted post # 2 I believe, what does it say ? Thats what I believe, What does it say ?
Yes, I did quote Post 2, but my question has to do with something highlighted in Post 1, the op (opening post).
The religion of man doesn't believe that the death of Christ alone results in the Eternal Salvation of all for whom Christ died, namely His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 or His Church Eph 5:25, or His People Matt 1:21.

His death for His people produces saving results Jn 12:32-33 23,24

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
I've changed the highlighting to draw attention to the point of my inquiry.

Do you think John 12:32 means all men are drawn to Jesus salvifically?
You quoted post # 2 I believe, what does it say ? Thats what I believe, What does it say ?
Post 2 does not answer my question. Neither does Post 58.



Do you think John 12:32 means all men are drawn to Jesus salvifically?
 
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