The powerless Arminian Jesus

[DialecticSkeptic]

Sheep are not born sheep. Sheep are those who submit to the power of the Holy Spirit and do not resist.

I wonder if your Bible says, "But you are not my sheep because you do not believe" (John 10:26).

If so, then you need a new, properly translated Bible.

 

[CrowCross]

It is a companion bot. If God decides to manipulate the choice of man He violates the very reason Jesus died on the cross. There would be no reason for him not to quicken all men or better yet put it in man's hearts to never sin at all. Jesus lamented the choice of most of Isreal crying that He wanted to put them under his wings and yet they would not. If Grace poured into the heart without consent was an automatic heart changer, then He would have done that instead of weeping over the city.

God knew sin was coming when He created beings with a choice and yet He did it anyway. The reasons why are a profound revelation of God to us.

What you presented is biblically unsupported speculation.

If God chooses to open a persons heart...you'll claim its manipulation.

 

[CrowCross]

Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.” 1 Cor 1:31

Then boast in the Lord and not yourself. You didn't connect the dots.

You are assuming that the poor soul over there desired to be saved. That is a bold assumption.

It's a good thing you connected the dots and desired to be saved.

God chose the human race but not all of them chose Him. What are we ambassadors of? "that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation." 2 Cor 5:19 Yes, not just us, the world also and we are ambassadors of that reconciliation.

Verse 20 Therefore we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making His appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ: Be reconciled to God.

We are to call the world to be reconciled to God who has already reconciled the world to himself. How do we know that God called the world?

Revelation 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people.

An evangelist proclaims the gospel not knowing who in the crowd had their ears opened by God to hear the message of salvation God gave the evangelist.

 

[CrowCross]

Sheep are not born sheep.

They were born to be sheep.

Sheep are those who submit to the power of the Holy Spirit and do not resist.

Everybody resist unto they become sheep.

They then have their ears unstopped.

It is God alone who opens the ears to hear. Not you.

Remember it was Christ who commanded, "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"

OK???

 

[Mercy_Shown]

I wonder if your Bible says, "But you are not my sheep because you do not believe" (John 10:26).

If so, then you need a new, properly translated Bible.

You don’t see the connection?

 

[Mercy_Shown]

That accusation is neither accurate nor fair, and rather unbecoming of a Christian brother. (Of course, I am assuming that you're a Christian, which I think is a safe assumption.)

Oh come on. Look up condescending and see if the definition doesn’t fit. I should save this post and put it in my scrapbook of irony. Anyway, this is getting silly and pointless

What you presented is biblically unsupported speculation.

If God chooses to open a persons heart...you'll claim its manipulation.

Would you agree that if I could perform Jedi mind tricks and make my enemies love me without them realizing it that would be manipulation?

If a person does not love God and God changes their heart so they do how is that not manipulation?

 

[Mercy_Shown]

Then boast in the Lord and not yourself. You didn't connect the dots.

No I do not connect your imagined dots for I can’t see them. I must deal with reality and not other people’s Judgment.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

It's a good thing you connected the dots and desired to be saved.

You need a new dot to dot book.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

An evangelist proclaims the gospel not knowing who in the crowd had their ears opened by God to hear the message of salvation God gave the evangelist.

I must’ve missed this part in the Bible.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

They were born to be sheep.

I missed this part in the Bible.

Everybody resist unto they become sheep.

My Bible left out this bit of information.

It is God alone who opens the ears to hear. Not you.

Why were you imagining it was me in the first place? You’re arguing with your own imagination.

OK???

 

[Arial]

Jesus died to restore free-will choice to mankind.

Oh! All this time I was under the impression that Jesus died to defeat sin and death, destroy evil redeeming a people for God, and restore all things. I thought it was about God! But it is about free will!?

 

[Arial]

If I have time, but suffice it to say. Many saints do not love darkness at all. Personally, I hate it!!!!

The saints aren't the issue. The saints are believers. The issue is the condition of the world when Jesus came into it. They were in darkness and they loved the darkness. They were at enmity with God.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

The saints aren't the issue. The saints are believers. The issue is the condition of the world when Jesus came into it. They were in darkness and they loved the darkness. They were at enmity with God.

There is no condemnation for those he forenew. The lamb was slain from the foundation of the earth.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

Oh! All this time I was under the impression that Jesus died to defeat sin and death, destroy evil redeeming a people for God, and restore all things. I thought it was about God! But it is about free will!?

In the grand scheme, it was to restore mankind to a state of free will where they could choose to love Him out of their own volition. He could change everyone's hearts to love him without their knowledge but He would know.

But there is nothing to indicate that He would leave some to die in their own mess while others He changed their hearts without their consent. How odd would that be?

 

[CrowCross]

If a person does not love God and God changes their heart so they do how is that not manipulation?

Was Lydia manipulated?

Acts 16:14 mong those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message
You can see where I'm having difficulty with what you're saying...yes?

 

[CrowCross]

You need a new dot to dot book.

Like the book of Romans? Here a dot to dot connection...called the Roman road to salvation...is presented.

 

[CrowCross]

I must’ve missed this part in the Bible.

"ears to hear?"

 

[CrowCross]

There is no condemnation for those he forenew. The lamb was slain from the foundation of the earth.

Is that all that happened from the foundations of the world?

Eph 1:4 For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love

 

[Mercy_Shown]

Is that all that happened from the foundations of the world?

Eph 1:4 For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love

Yes, he did. He also chose Judas and as we see one can reject His choosing. God chose Israel, it was a chosen nation and yet it rejected God for idols. Saul was chosen to be king of Isreal and yet ended u resisting God and turning to a witch for counsel. The bible has many who were chosen and yet abandoned their choosing.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

"ears to hear?"

That says nothing about God denying anyone ears.