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The parable of the fig tree and "this generation"

Prophecy isn't a sign or wonder.
I agree.Prophecy opposes sign to wonder after.
No...the thousand years is in the not to distant future.
The thousand years represents a unknown .Just as it is used in parable the first three times.

I don't think God changes direction half way down the stream in the most signified book of the bible Revelation the spiritual understanding does not become literal and that includes the parable found in Revelation 20 . According to the golden measure of faith God does not number people or time periods . no sign was given to wonder after .

Psalm 90:4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Ecclesiastes 6:6
2 Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Not one day is a thousand years but as ..as denotes a parable in view.

What is the hidden meaning of the parable found in Revelation 20??? Can we find the gospel understanding hid as searching for silver and gold, called hidden manna in Chapter 2:17 again the golden measure of faith (the unseen things of God hidden from natural man who seeks after signs to wonder after rather than prophecy .
 
Let's deal with the kings of the earth again. I found one where you said that Matthew 17:24-27 show this. However, it does not. When Jesus speaks of the kings of the Earth, He literally means kings of the Earth. Those who collect taxes from their people, but don't tax their sons. Since Jesus is the Son of God, and it is God's temple, He is exempt. He is one of the "sons" He spoke of.
You have caught half of the significance here. It's true, Jesus as the Son of God was going to be the high priest over God' house. If anyone was entitled to be "free" from paying the annual Temple Tax, it should have been Christ Jesus who would become the ultimate Great High Priest who should have been able to claim an exemption as the "Son" of God's temple.

All the way back in OT days, the Levitical tribe was exempt from paying the half shekel because they were more or less the recipients of the benefits of that annual payment by the rest of the adult males in Israel. In NT days, the high priesthood as members of the Levitical tribe were still exempt from paying the Temple Tax, just as their sons were also. That annual payment was made by "others" in Israel not of the high priestly, Levitical tribe. These high priest "kings of the earth" and their sons were "free" from that obligation that the rest of the adult males in Israel were to pay annually.

The woman is not Jerusalem. It does not line up with Isaiah 1:21, because fornication and adultery are not the same thing.
????!!! Surely you jest.

The Scarlet Beast is in the dominant position. The fact that the beast allowed her to ride it at all shows cooperation. How you are able to fail to recognize who this beast is, when the Bible is clear, is surprising. The beast has come out of the abyss. Israel did not come out of the abyss. This is the antichrist, who is king. The beast is the eighth, as John is told. This will be a person. Yet this person is coming out of the abyss. So... possessed by a powerful demon. This is the same abyss where the prisoners Jesus proclaimed to are in chains.
There is no "antichrist" mentioned at all in Revelation. And the abyss is not a location per se. It is a condition or a state of being. Or, we should say a non-functioning state of being, such as Christ was in while in the grave. Christ while in the grave was said to have been in the abyss (abysson) in Romans 10:7. The Scarlet Beast of an independent kingdom of Israel "WAS" when it had once existed for almost 80 years under the Maccabean victories; then it "IS NOT" when it was brought under tribute to Rome by Pompey in 63 BC. It was "about to arise" from the abyss to existence again in John's days by the Zealot rebellion in AD 66 establishing an independent kingdom of Israel once again without Roman control. In AD 66, the 8th "king" was the 8th member of the house of Annas to become high priest. Mattathias was the titular head of the Scarlet Beast when it rose to existence again in AD 66.
 
I agree.Prophecy opposes sign to wonder after.

The thousand years represents a unknown .Just as it is used in parable the first three times.

I don't think God changes direction half way down the stream in the most signified book of the bible Revelation the spiritual understanding does not become literal and that includes the parable found in Revelation 20 . According to the golden measure of faith God does not number people or time periods . no sign was given to wonder after .

Psalm 90:4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Ecclesiastes 6:6
2 Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Not one day is a thousand years but as ..as denotes a parable in view.

What is the hidden meaning of the parable found in Revelation 20??? Can we find the gospel understanding hid as searching for silver and gold, called hidden manna in Chapter 2:17 again the golden measure of faith (the unseen things of God hidden from natural man who seeks after signs to wonder after rather than prophecy .
There is no hidden meaning of the scripture found in Revelation 20. Perhaps your gnostic religion requires it.

From what I have come to understand "the main purpose of Jesus’ 1,000-year reign is to fulfill the prophecies given to Israel and the promises made to Jesus, the nations, and the whole earth. God’s covenants were voluntary and one-sided. He promised He would bless Israel and restore the world in specific ways, and He will." ref

The millennial kingdom is the title given to the 1,000-year reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. Some seek to interpret the 1,000 years in an allegorical manner. They understand the 1,000 years as merely a figurative way of saying “a long period of time,” not a literal, physical reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. However, six times in Revelation 20:2-7, the millennial kingdom is specifically said to be 1,000 years in length. If God wished to communicate “a long period of time,” He could have easily done so without explicitly and repeatedly mentioning an exact time frame. ref
 
here is no "antichrist" mentioned at all in Revelation.
This is the anti-Christ....Rev 6:1 Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!”2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.

This rider is imitating Christ Jesus who will appear on a white horse....Rev 19:11Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war.
 
This rider is imitating Christ Jesus who will appear on a white horse....Rev 19:11Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war.
The white horse rider IS Christ Jesus - the same in both Revelation 6:2 and Revelation 19:11. In Christ, it is true of the saints that "we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us". The judgment of God's vengeance upon that generation for the betrayal and murder of Christ and Jerusalem's guilt for the shed blood of the saints and prophets was predicted in the song of Moses back in Deuteronomy 32:23 for Israel's "latter end".

The Song of Moses (mentioned again in Revelation 15:3) has God saying of the judgment of Israel, "I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them. They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust. The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs." This is a duplicate of the seal judgments, particularly Revelation 6:8. "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth." This is not a fourth part of the whole habitable world; it is judgment on a fourth of the inhabitants of the land of Israel (tes ges) in those "days of vengeance" in the AD 70 era.

This is the anti-Christ....Rev 6:1 Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!”2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.
The word "antichrist" never appears here in Revelation 6:1. To make this a connection to the white horse rider is to add to the words of the interpreting angel for Revelation's visions.
 
The millennial kingdom is the title given to the 1,000-year reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. Some seek to interpret the 1,000 years in an allegorical manner. They understand the 1,000 years as merely a figurative way of saying “a long period of time,” not a literal, physical reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. However, six times in Revelation 20:2-7, the millennial kingdom is specifically said to be 1,000 years in length. If God wished to communicate “a long period of time,” He could have easily done so without explicitly and repeatedly mentioning an exact time frame.
When did Christ the Holy Spirit stop reining on earth?

When did the literal thousand begin

If you mean Jesus the Son of man, his body has returned to dust . Thousand year are not literal years .
 
The white horse rider IS Christ Jesus - the same in both Revelation 6:2 and Revelation 19:11. In Christ, it is true of the saints that "we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us". The judgment of God's vengeance upon that generation for the betrayal and murder of Christ and Jerusalem's guilt for the shed blood of the saints and prophets was predicted in the song of Moses back in Deuteronomy 32:23 for Israel's "latter end".
You can believe that if you want....but you are setting yourself up to worship the anti-christ.

The rider on the white horse associated with the other 3 horsemen isn't Jesus.

Take this as a warning because after you are left behind...missed the rapture...and find yourself in the tribulation you'll find yourself following the false Christ.
Hopefully when the day happens you'll remember this post and not be deceived.
 
When did Christ the Holy Spirit stop reining on earth?
When did He start?
When did the literal thousand begin
It's still future. At least 7 years from now. If you make it through the tribulation you'll find out first hand.
If you mean Jesus the Son of man, his body has returned to dust . Thousand year are not literal years .
oh boy, you poor soul....1st Cor 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

Do you want to reconsider that returned from the dust statement? You are still in your sins and need to repent. Personally I wouldn't wait.
 
When did He start?
When he said Let there be>

It's still future. At least 7 years from now. If you make it through the tribulation you'll find out first hand.
The tribulation like never before or ever again began when Jesus said it is finished . the veil was rent. The reformation had come . Jewish born again woman and gentiles were separated by high walls it was a men only religion .

The gospel explosion men and women prophets > gathering together .there were no women prophets when the was kings in Israel.

A great tribulation for the Jew that was trusting thier dying flesh could profit A great joy to the Christian. . still having it effect of the last days today.

We are in the last days or called the day of the lord over two thousand years

Again the reformation came the walls came down The end of the men only club

Acts 2:17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

James 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
 
2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
Then verse 4 says....4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?

Verse 4 is about scoffers like you.
 
Really? Do you really believe that the Jews, after all the prophecies in the Old Testament, especially that of Daniel, had no clue what eschatology is? The end of the age. Where all becomes new. The next age is eternity for mankind. It is this which made the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit so damning. All sin against the Father and the Son will be forgiven, but blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this age, or the next.

It is complicated because prophecy in the Old Testament, Matthew 24, Paul's teachings, Peter's teachings, and Revelation all go together. However, everyone wants to divorce the Old Testament from the New Testament, so that does not help. It really is complicated. Even John MacArthur need two commentaries to cover Revelation. It is really deep. And he even links the prophecies of the Old Testament in breaking down the symbols. If the interpretation does not fit descriptions of the Old Testament prophecies... you probably aren't doing it right.

I’m only interested in finding out what reason you think the age referred to is ours now. The more likely reference is to one of THEIRS. Prob the one that ended with the temple torn down, as you can see.

If you think they had a clue , study Jn 12:34.
 
Prophecy isn't a sign or wonder.

No...the thousand years is in the not to distant future.

What do you think the mark of the beast is?

What would that reformation be?
The term reformation is used about Christian faith differing from Judaism in Heb 8.
 
You have caught half of the significance here. It's true, Jesus as the Son of God was going to be the high priest over God' house. If anyone was entitled to be "free" from paying the annual Temple Tax, it should have been Christ Jesus who would become the ultimate Great High Priest who should have been able to claim an exemption as the "Son" of God's temple.

All the way back in OT days, the Levitical tribe was exempt from paying the half shekel because they were more or less the recipients of the benefits of that annual payment by the rest of the adult males in Israel. In NT days, the high priesthood as members of the Levitical tribe were still exempt from paying the Temple Tax, just as their sons were also. That annual payment was made by "others" in Israel not of the high priestly, Levitical tribe. These high priest "kings of the earth" and their sons were "free" from that obligation that the rest of the adult males in Israel were to pay annually.
Let us try this again, since you don't seem to get it.

"24 When they had come to [h]Capernaum, those who received the [i]temple tax came to Peter and said, “Does your Teacher not pay the temple tax?”
25 He said, “Yes.”
And when he had come into the house, Jesus anticipated him, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes, from their sons or from strangers?”
26 Peter said to Him, “From strangers.”
Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are free. 27 Nevertheless, lest we offend them, go to the sea, cast in a hook, and take the fish that comes up first. And when you have opened its mouth, you will find a [j]piece of money; take that and give it to them for Me and you.”

Okay, let us teach you this "properly". Peter and Jesus come to Capernaum. Those who receive the temple tax (not priests, not kings, they are tax collectors) asks if Jesus pays the temple tax. Jesus is Jewish, He is of the tribe of Benjamin, He is over the age of 20, He is supposed to pay. Peter as well. What does Jesus ask Peter in relation to this. He asks Peter, the kings of the Earth, who do THEY take taxes from, their sons or from strangers. Jesus is asking, if you look at all the kings on earth, earth based kings, who do they take tax from, their family (sons), or from those who are not a part of their family. (strangers)? Peter says that the kings of Earth only take taxes from strangers.

The temple tax, is it taken from sons (Israelites) or from strangers (those not of Israel). Down below you will see that it is taken from ALL males over the age of 20. There isn't even an exclusion for Levites. What was Jesus point, which should be obvious?

If the kings of the earth do not tax their sons (family), then why would God, the King of Heaven (not earth) tax His Son. This is an indictment on the tax collectors for not recognizing the King's Son. Not even the kings of earth tax their sons, so why is Jesus being taxed by the collectors of the temple tax? Don't they recognize God's Son? Jesus says that, nevertheless, lest they be offended by Jesus stating this and not paying, just pay them. Again, imagine if Jesus took the time to explain that their King, God... well Jesus is His Son. How dare you tax Him.

And in case you don't understand what the Temple Tax is, and believe that there was an exception, here is the passage from Exodus. You will note that there is no exemption of Levites recorded here.

"11 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 12 “When you take the census of the children of Israel for their number, then every man shall give a[c] ransom for himself to the Lord, when you number them, that there may be no plague among them when you number them. 13 This is what everyone among those who are numbered shall give: half a shekel according to the shekel of the sanctuary (a shekel is twenty gerahs). The half-shekel shall be an offering to the Lord. 14 Everyone included among those who are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an [d]offering to the Lord. 15 The rich shall not give more and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when you give an offering to the Lord, to make atonement for yourselves. 16 And you shall take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shall [e]appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of meeting, that it may be a memorial for the children of Israel before the Lord, to make atonement for yourselves.”"

Where in the above, does it say that anyone is exempt from the tax? Even traditionally, it was only the priests. (kohanim.)
????!!! Surely you jest.
No. No I don't. Every little part of prophecy means something. You don't get to say that since the Old Testament is clear that it was unfaithfulness, and in Revelation it is clear that it is fornication, that it is the same thing. It is not. There is A LOT of prophecy in the Old Testament on this subject, and it is very clear. This speaks of a city that may, or may not, exist yet.
There is no "antichrist" mentioned at all in Revelation. And the abyss is not a location per se. It is a condition or a state of being. Or, we should say a non-functioning state of being, such as Christ was in while in the grave. Christ while in the grave was said to have been in the abyss (abysson) in Romans 10:7. The Scarlet Beast of an independent kingdom of Israel "WAS" when it had once existed for almost 80 years under the Maccabean victories; then it "IS NOT" when it was brought under tribute to Rome by Pompey in 63 BC. It was "about to arise" from the abyss to existence again in John's days by the Zealot rebellion in AD 66 establishing an independent kingdom of Israel once again without Roman control. In AD 66, the 8th "king" was the 8th member of the house of Annas to become high priest. Mattathias was the titular head of the Scarlet Beast when it rose to existence again in AD 66.
Wow. Your hatred for the Jews runs deep. The woman is the world religion that will be in force. The beast is a political system, not religious. It will be the antichrist. You want to FORCE Old Testament prophecy and New onto Revelation, but you won't allow actual talk of an Antichrist, beyond the little bitty antichrists, to be understood in the text. Wow. Just wow.
 
I’m only interested in finding out what reason you think the age referred to is ours now. The more likely reference is to one of THEIRS. Prob the one that ended with the temple torn down, as you can see.

If you think they had a clue , study Jn 12:34.
They know. Why else did the disciples ask for signs of the end of the age, and Jesus told them there are none. Not even He knows, but it will be His return, and the final judgement. Jesus spoke as though they understood when He told the religious leaders that sins against the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven in this age, or the age to come. The age is the universal age from the beginning (creation), until God brings the creation to a close, and everything is destroyed in fire. (All the elements melt in fervent heat.) God will destroy this corrupted creation, and usher in the New Heavens and New Earth, totally untouched and unscathed by sin.

I have no idea when the end of the age will come. It could be now, it could be thousands of years away. Only God knows.
 
They know. Why else did the disciples ask for signs of the end of the age, and Jesus told them there are none. Not even He knows, but it will be His return, and the final judgement. Jesus spoke as though they understood when He told the religious leaders that sins against the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven in this age, or the age to come. The age is the universal age from the beginning (creation), until God brings the creation to a close, and everything is destroyed in fire. (All the elements melt in fervent heat.) God will destroy this corrupted creation, and usher in the New Heavens and New Earth, totally untouched and unscathed by sin.

I have no idea when the end of the age will come. It could be now, it could be thousands of years away. Only God knows.

You are sayings that do not answer my questions.

In 12:34+ means they did not know , were in the darkness, and needed to follow His light.

It is most likely that the end of the age was the end of Daniels 70 weeks bc it included the tearing down of that temple.
 
You are sayings that do not answer my questions.

In 12:34+ means they did not know , were in the darkness, and needed to follow His light.

It is most likely that the end of the age was the end of Daniels 70 weeks bc it included the tearing down of that temple.
And the only history of the abomination of desolation we see in Daniel is from the second or third century BC. Outside of that, there is no recorded history of an abomination of desolation as Daniel says will happen in the 70th week, and Jesus mentions in Mathew 24.
 
Then verse 4 says....4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?

Verse 4 is about scoffers like you.

I have not been called that name many other names. Looks like you have that upside down .

The scoffers were "willingly ignorant" of the coming .They walked away faithless and no longer followed after Christ who worked in the Son of man, Jesus

John 6: 65-66 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him
 
And the only history of the abomination of desolation we see in Daniel is from the second or third century BC. Outside of that, there is no recorded history of an abomination of desolation as Daniel says will happen in the 70th week, and Jesus mentions in Mathew 24.

Wow I don’t know where this comes from. It is clearly the person who takes control of the temple in 66, kills the high priest, runs Israel in to the ground.

D’ism is utter disinformation. It totally avoids the study of 2st cent history, has a taboo against knowing Josephus.
 
Wow I don’t know where this comes from. It is clearly the person who takes control of the temple in 66, kills the high priest, runs Israel in to the ground.

D’ism is utter disinformation. It totally avoids the study of 2st cent history, has a taboo against knowing Josephus.
So you as the reader didn't understand what Jesus was referring to in Daniel. The abomination of desolation was when some Greek/Palestinian king took over and had an altar to Zeus built and sacrificed a pig (or multiple, not sure) in the, get this, Holy of Holies. That is like, an untter abomination to the Lord. And this is what Jesus referred to.

Here is the thing. John wrote I John - III John around 100AD, and said that they were still waiting for Jesus to come. Which means that, since John died at right around that time, Jesus wasn't talking about that generation. And, once the tribulation ended, Jesus was clear:

"29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

The visible return of Jesus with the signs of the Son of Man in heaven. But, John says that they are still waiting around 100 AD.

I John 2 "18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[d] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."

So the antichrist still has not come by 100AD, but Nero is long dead.

"28 And now, little children, abide in Him, that [h]when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming."

Again, around 100 AD, and John is saying that Jesus has not come yet.
 
The temple tax, is it taken from sons (Israelites) or from strangers (those not of Israel). Down below you will see that it is taken from ALL males over the age of 20. There isn't even an exclusion for Levites. What was Jesus point, which should be obvious?
The priesthood of the tribe of Levi was exempt from paying the yearly Temple Tax. This was evidenced by the difference God made for Aaron and his sons back in Numbers 3:48-51. When that redemption money was paid for the difference between the number of firstborn from the children of Israel and the firstborn of the Levites, the money was given to Aaron and his sons. It only stands to reason that the yearly Temple Tax collected for the upkeep of the Temple should not be a cost born by those who served in the temple as high priest and priests. They were the beneficiaries of that Temple Tax, not those who paid it.

In Christ's days, the high priest "kings of the earth" and their sons (just like Aaron and his sons) were the ones for whom the Temple Tax was being collected by their agents who went throughout Israel with this task.

And the Greek word translated as "strangers" is really translated as "others" (which is not speaking of non-Israelites, but just those who were not in the same category with the high priest kings of the earth).

No. No I don't. Every little part of prophecy means something. You don't get to say that since the Old Testament is clear that it was unfaithfulness, and in Revelation it is clear that it is fornication, that it is the same thing. It is not. There is A LOT of prophecy in the Old Testament on this subject, and it is very clear. This speaks of a city that may, or may not, exist yet.
What I was referring to is your assessment that adultery is not considered fornication. This is wrong. Mystery Babylon / Jerusalem was called a harlot because she had broken her covenant relationship with God. She had committed spiritual fornication with other nations, as God had accused Old Jerusalem once before back in Isaiah. Neither Rome nor any other city was in such a covenant relationship with God where He had put His name there, and so could not be this character, the great city Jerusalem / Mystery Babylon.

Wow. Your hatred for the Jews runs deep. The woman is the world religion that will be in force. The beast is a political system, not religious. It will be the antichrist
Your assumption of my feelings is just that - an assumption which you are not allowed to make. Those who know me personally would laugh you to scorn. Besides, those who were faithful to the Jewish religion and first brought the Scarlet Beast to power back in Maccabean times were praised by the book of Hebrews and Daniel for that faithfulness under persecution by Antiochus (Hebrews 11:35-39 and Daniel 11:32-35). It was only when the change in the law occurred under Christ's new Great High Priesthood that those who insisted on sticking with the Old Covenant and rejecting Christ brought judgment on themselves and that first-century generation of Jews.

Scripture never speaks of a world-wide Antichrist religion that will be in force. Except for the kingdom of God which is promised to grow into a great mountain which will fill the whole world. That is a promise you can count on being fulfilled.
 
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