The parable of the fig tree and "this generation"

[3 Resurrections]

There is no actual reason to believe it is Jerusalem. Some say Rome is part of it because the the seven hills reference, which is a word for word reference to Rome. (City on seven hills, I believe it is).

There is absolutely concrete evidence for "that great city, where also our Lord was crucified" (Rev. 11:8) to be Jerusalem, which also sits on seven hills. Jerusalem was the one which Christ said was guilty of shedding the blood of the saints and prophets, and who would bear the guilt of all the righteous blood shed from Abel to Zecharias (Matthew 23:34-37). This was the same blood-guilt charge of the saints and prophets that was brought against "the great city" Mystery Babylon in Revelation 18:24. This "great city" Jerusalem became the dwelling place for demons and a prison for every unclean spirit in those AD 66-70 years. Truly a "great tribulation" brought upon that wicked generation of an unprecedented kind.

In your studies, you are mixing up Old Jerusalem of the post-exilic period with Old Jerusalem of the NT period requiring the vengeance of God's judgment, and the New Jerusalem which God would defend. Three different scenarios. Try not to confuse one with the others.

 

[CrowCross]

I avoid making predictions, but AI definitely concerns me when thinking about that image of the beast. I consider it to be the corruption of the concept of Jesus as the Son. Still trying to hammer out the possibilities of appearance. Though technology has been presented that, as it matures, will enable an avatar of a person, completely run through AI. (So it will appear to think on its own, and it will be able to directly answer questions, free of any intervention by the person the avatar portrays. Add that to the incredible rate at which robotics is moving, and you have some scary possibilities.

AI will meet its pinnacle at the following event foretold in the book of Revelation. Some identify this as the "singularity".

Rev 13:15And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.

 

[EarlyActs]

You should read Matthew 24 again. The end of the age. Jesus speaks of it after the parable of the fig tree. The final judgement. You should understand that the disciples were not ignorant of eschatology. They believed Jesus was here as the Messiah to defeat Rome, and the end would come. (End of the age)

Consider what comes before the parable of the fig tree.
"29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

And then we have:
"34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away."

So if Jesus is speaking of the disciples generation, then 29-31 occurred before 104AD (possible death date of John the apostle. It could have been as early as 100 AD).

Then we have Jesus speaking of the end and final judgement. Of this He states that no one knows the hour except the Father. Hence there are no signs given. (Jesus has no signs, because He doesn't even know when it will take place.) All we get at the start of Matthew 24 is " 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." This ends the answer to the disciples question: “Tell us, when will these things be?" Starting with the abomination of desolation, and ending with Jesus literally speaking of the sign of the Son of Man is the answer to the question "And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”. For dealing with the end of the age, which is judgement, there are no signs given. He just speaks of Noah's time, and then, boom, people are taken away to judgement. No warning. No signs.

While Jesus speaks of His coming immediately after the tribulation, no one knows when. All we know is that the parable of the fig tree has Jesus saying "34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away." In God we trust, all others, cash only.

But Jesus is clear about this generation.

The delay would mean that the tribulation hasn't happened yet, since Jesus says it immediately follows the tribulation. (The end of the tribulation ends with an army the number of the sands of the sea attacking Israel. The army of the beast, and his prophet.)

7 years after. The first 3 1/2 years are peace through a covenant with the world leader (for Israel). This will be broken after 3 1/2 weeks, and the prince will be defeated at the end of the week.

Soon always means soon, even if it is 1000 years from now. We don't know the date. Hence we must be ready at every moment. Occupy until He comes.

Please try to put just one topic in one post, thanks.

re the end of the age.
You are missing the simplest of questions: what age? The age of torah? The Jewish age (since the times of the Gentiles was coming and is a doctrine in Judaism)? The age of the temple as they knew it?

It does no one any good to be simplistic; it is unclear.

The Zealots believed Rome was to be defeated; the apostles learned the opposite from Jesus. The Zealots had mistakenly used Dan 9. Both Josephus and Caiaphas knew Rome would defeat everything in the country, although Caiaphas thought he could circumvent it, Jn 12.

 

[Mr GLee]

The bible mentions a guy standing in the temple declaring himself to be God...after recognizing some sort of peace agreement with Israel.

Currently there is no temple and no agreement...or guy.
Currently the Jews have a plan to construct a temple and there is also a sort of peace agreement....Abrahamic accord...as to who the guy is, it appears you'll find out after the rapture.

It never was a agreement. God gave them over to do that which they should not of. Mankind in the place God not seen .

The foundation of Paganism. the abomination of desolation.

 

[CrowCross]

It never was a agreement. God gave them over to do that which they should not of. Mankind in the place God not seen .

The foundation of Paganism. the abomination of desolation.

....stayed tuned.

 

[TMSO]

There is absolutely concrete evidence for "that great city, where also our Lord was crucified" (Rev. 11:8) to be Jerusalem, which also sits on seven hills.

Conjecture. The city in Revelation 11 is tread underfoot for 3 1/2 years. This woman riding the beast is at that time. A city underfoot is not ruling over the globe as part of the global world order, the single government ruling the entire planet. It is another city. It also is not Rome. It is bigger then that. This religious entity that is also a city, will be global alongside the antichrist, until that time that the antichrist destroys all religions and causes everyone to worship himself. Your view is so narrow that you are throwing out so much. The beast she is riding, seven heads. Five that were (old empires), the fifth (Rome) and then one last one. Another global entity that comes after Rome. Bigger then Rome. The ten horns are ten rulers over which the beast will reign. This beast is the antichrist, the one Paul said is to come. The lawless one. The one John says is to come, the grand daddy of all the little antichrists. The culmination. The foot and ten toes of Nebuchadnezzar's dream. The clay and iron which is destroyed by the rock not hewn by human hands. (Christ). And the woman, a city that is the center of a global religion. Perhaps a rebuilt Babylon, as the city on many waters. There is a religion that is looking to resurgence, and has been growing. Islam. Do not count out the possibility that there will be another caliphate. It would be a world economic power. It's destruction would be a very big deal. Who would shed a tear for a city that is trampled on for 3 1/2 years? Not destroyed, but trampled underfoot? (Revelation 11... the city, Jerusalem). How can Jerusalem be a world power, ruling over the kings of the earth... while being trampled under foot by everyone?

Jerusalem was the one which Christ said was guilty of shedding the blood of the saints and prophets, and who would bear the guilt of all the righteous blood shed from Abel to Zecharias (Matthew 23:34-37). This was the same blood-guilt charge of the saints and prophets that was brought against "the great city" Mystery Babylon in Revelation 18:24. This "great city" Jerusalem became the dwelling place for demons and a prison for every unclean spirit in those AD 66-70 years. Truly a "great tribulation" brought upon that wicked generation of an unprecedented kind.

"37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”" No destruction. They will recognize Jesus as the one who comes in the name of the Lord, and will bless Him.

In your studies, you are mixing up Old Jerusalem of the post-exilic period with Old Jerusalem of the NT period requiring the vengeance of God's judgment, and the New Jerusalem which God would defend. Three different scenarios. Try not to confuse one with the others.

No, no I am not. You appear to be blinded by hatred. This is all the path to Israel's ultimate reconciliation.

 

[TMSO]

Please try to put just one topic in one post, thanks.

re the end of the age.
You are missing the simplest of questions: what age? The age of torah? The Jewish age (since the times of the Gentiles was coming and is a doctrine in Judaism)? The age of the temple as they knew it?

Really? Do you really believe that the Jews, after all the prophecies in the Old Testament, especially that of Daniel, had no clue what eschatology is? The end of the age. Where all becomes new. The next age is eternity for mankind. It is this which made the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit so damning. All sin against the Father and the Son will be forgiven, but blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this age, or the next.

It does no one any good to be simplistic; it is unclear.

The Zealots believed Rome was to be defeated; the apostles learned the opposite from Jesus. The Zealots had mistakenly used Dan 9. Both Josephus and Caiaphas knew Rome would defeat everything in the country, although Caiaphas thought he could circumvent it, Jn 12.

It is complicated because prophecy in the Old Testament, Matthew 24, Paul's teachings, Peter's teachings, and Revelation all go together. However, everyone wants to divorce the Old Testament from the New Testament, so that does not help. It really is complicated. Even John MacArthur need two commentaries to cover Revelation. It is really deep. And he even links the prophecies of the Old Testament in breaking down the symbols. If the interpretation does not fit descriptions of the Old Testament prophecies... you probably aren't doing it right.

 

[Mr GLee]

....stayed tuned.

Stay tuned to what? Lying sign to wonder after ?

No signs to wonder after were given in Matthew 24. Simply a signs of the times .

It's a evil unredeemed generation that does seek after a sign before they will believe .

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Believers have prophecy sealed till the end of time. There are no loving laws missing by which we could know our Holy Father more adequately or intimately.

Walk by faith the unseen things of God not after the temporal dying

The last day under the sun will end thief in the night.

Nothing left to fulfill. Jesus said it was finished .The promised demonstrating came .

Satan the king of lying wonders is still deceiving mankind that God is a jewish man as king of Kings the abomination of desolation.

The veil was rent there was no Jewish king siting in the Holy of holies Satan fell as recorded in the parable Revelations 20 .he could no longer deceive all the nations of the world that God is a man as a Jewish King of Kings . . destroying all the kingdoms of men governed by oral traditions that make His tradition the book of prophecy without effect .

The spirit of lies legion will agin be loosed for a short season again to decide all the nation God is a Jewish man as King of kings

The parable reads.

Revelation 203 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season

 

[3 Resurrections]

Who would shed a tear for a city that is trampled on for 3 1/2 years? Not destroyed, but trampled underfoot? (Revelation 11... the city, Jerusalem). How can Jerusalem be a world power, ruling over the kings of the earth... while being trampled under foot by everyone?

Jerusalem as of the time John was writing Revelation was then ruling over the kings of the earth. You just don't understand how the scripture defines "kings of the earth". They weren't monarchs in the sense which we usually associate with the word "kings". Scripture refers to the "Kings of the earth" as the high priests of the land of Israel: those anointed ones who wore the golden crown with "holiness to the Lord" engraved on it.

At the time John was writing Revelation, Rome-governed Jerusalem was most definitely "ruling over" the high priest "kings of the earth". It was Rome that had taken over appointing who served in that role. They kept the high priesthood vestments in the Roman garrison of the Fortress of Antonia, doled out on the feast days at Rome's discretion. The high priesthood could not pass a death sentence without Rome's approval, as in the case of Christ's crucifixion. And the very Tyrian shekel coin which the high priesthood was requiring for use in the temple for purchases and sales of sacrificial items was only issued by permission of Rome, and had Rome's authorization stamped on every one of those coins. "We have no king but Ceasar" was the high priesthood's admission that they were under Roman domination at the time.

It was later on in AD 66-70 when the Zealots had cast off their Roman governance that these competing Zealot factions were treading Jerusalem underfoot for those 42 months (3-1/2 years).

 

[CrowCross]

Stay tuned to what? Lying sign to wonder after ?

No signs to wonder after were given in Matthew 24. Simply a signs of the times .

It's a evil unredeemed generation that does seek after a sign before they will believe .

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Believers have prophecy sealed till the end of time. There are no loving laws missing by which we could know our Holy Father more adequately or intimately.

Walk by faith the unseen things of God not after the temporal dying

The last day under the sun will end thief in the night.

Nothing left to fulfill. Jesus said it was finished .The promised demonstrating came .

Satan the king of lying wonders is still deceiving mankind that God is a jewish man as king of Kings the abomination of desolation.

The veil was rent there was no Jewish king siting in the Holy of holies Satan fell as recorded in the parable Revelations 20 .he could no longer deceive all the nations of the world that God is a man as a Jewish King of Kings . . destroying all the kingdoms of men governed by oral traditions that make His tradition the book of prophecy without effect .

The spirit of lies legion will agin be loosed for a short season again to decide all the nation God is a Jewish man as King of kings

The parable reads.

Revelation 203 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season

Once again...stay tuned.

 

[Mr GLee]

Once again...stay tuned.

I'm listening .What's the reference verse?

 

[TMSO]

Jerusalem as of the time John was writing Revelation was then ruling over the kings of the earth. You just don't understand how the scripture defines "kings of the earth". They weren't monarchs in the sense which we usually associate with the word "kings". Scripture refers to the "Kings of the earth" as the high priests of the land of Israel: those anointed ones who wore the golden crown with "holiness to the Lord" engraved on it.

You tried making links once before, but you failed.

At the time John was writing Revelation, Rome-governed Jerusalem was most definitely "ruling over" the high priest "kings of the earth". It was Rome that had taken over appointing who served in that role. They kept the high priesthood vestments in the Roman garrison of the Fortress of Antonia, doled out on the feast days at Rome's discretion. The high priesthood could not pass a death sentence without Rome's approval, as in the case of Christ's crucifixion. And the very Tyrian shekel coin which the high priesthood was requiring for use in the temple for purchases and sales of sacrificial items was only issued by permission of Rome, and had Rome's authorization stamped on every one of those coins. "We have no king but Ceasar" was the high priesthood's admission that they were under Roman domination at the time.

You still have to make the case that they are kings of the earth, as in they have rule over the earth, in this case, in a religious role. Such as that shown by the woman who rides the beast. Except when you go to link the woman who rides the beast with old testament prophecy, one finds that this is not a description of Israel.

It was later on in AD 66-70 when the Zealots had cast off their Roman governance that these competing Zealot factions were treading Jerusalem underfoot for those 42 months (3-1/2 years).

You do understand that it is not the Jews who trample Jerusalem underfoot, correct? What did Peter say? Acts 10 " 28 Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. 29 Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for. I ask, then, for what reason have you sent for me?”" The zealots you speak of are Jews. And you have said that they are gentiles trampling Jerusalem under foot.

"Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. [a]And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months."

I do have a question about the seven heads. What is the great empire that came after Rome? The caliphate, right? The Ottoman Empire, the furniture emporium of the world? (Yes, that was a dumb joke). It is dead, right? Gone since 1922. Utterly defeated after World War I. Yet the caliphate is still alive in the hearts of the Muslims. The extremists want a violent rebirth of the caliphate, while others patiently await the day the caliphate is restored. Consider that "refugees" have been flooding countries and refusing to assimilate. It is getting to the point that the countries are finding they are incapable of controlling them. Their populations are growing. All of this is for consideration. That is what prophecy is about. Watching. And for what scripture says, this is watching and being ready. While people fight premillennialism, things are happening that make a futuristic fulfillment totally possible. Is it wise to ignore that?

Such as, one reason people had trouble was that it is said that when the two witnesses are killed, everyone in the world will see. Today, this modern time, unlike any other time, this is actually possible. TikTok. Facebook. Youtube. Social Media. Live News. Everyone can see it. And it may not be perfect, but if it is still future, there is plenty of time for it to be perfected. Perhaps Starlink will play a major role in the ability for anyone on Earth to see it? Other countries are working on their own versions. A vast majority of the population on earth has access to smart phones. Technology is making a literal fulfillment of prophecy totally possible.

 

[3 Resurrections]

You still have to make the case that they are kings of the earth, as in they have rule over the earth, in this case, in a religious role.

The "earth" (tes ges) is a term John uses most of the time to describe the land of Israel in Revelation - not the entire globe, which would use another Greek term instead. Israel was made a "kingdom of priests" as God called it, and her "royalty" was designed to be her high priesthood who was the "ruler of the people". In John's days, this was flipped upside down and Rome-governed Jerusalem was calling the shots by ruling over the high priesthood instead.

Except when you go to link the woman who rides the beast with old testament prophecy, one finds that this is not a description of Israel.

You're right - it's not Israel. I never said the woman riding the beast was Israel. I wrote that the woman Mystery Babylon was "the great city", where our Lord was crucified. A single city - not the entire nation. Jerusalem also was called a harlot back in Isaiah 1:21 for her unfaithful conduct, so depicting the great city Jerusalem as a harlot in Revelation is nothing new.

The Scarlet Beast that the harlot rode in a dominant position (which Scarlet Beast was the revived independent nation of Israel which arose to power with the Zealot rebellion in AD 66) hated the whore that Jerusalem had been by prostituting itself to Rome for the favors it gave her. All the prophecies related to this Scarlet Beast were connected to that first-century generation and the 7 heads as the 7 high priest "kings of the earth" and the 8th "king" who were all members of the house of Annas. When that generation passed away, the Scarlet Beast also went into destruction as well by the close of AD 70 - heads, horns, harlot, and all.

 

[CrowCross]

I'm listening .What's the reference verse?

Wanna start with Rev 13 and the beast system?
There is no time in history that Rev 13 could have been fulfilled nor has it been demonstrated to have been fulfilled.

If you "stay tuned" to current events you can easily look around and see the Rev 13 beast system being built.

 

[TMSO]

The "earth" (tes ges) is a term John uses most of the time to describe the land of Israel in Revelation - not the entire globe, which would use another Greek term instead. Israel was made a "kingdom of priests" as God called it, and her "royalty" was designed to be her high priesthood who was the "ruler of the people". In John's days, this was flipped upside down and Rome-governed Jerusalem was calling the shots by ruling over the high priesthood instead.

Let's deal with the kings of the earth again. I found one where you said that Matthew 17:24-27 show this. However, it does not. When Jesus speaks of the kings of the Earth, He literally means kings of the Earth. Those who collect taxes from their people, but don't tax their sons. Since Jesus is the Son of God, and it is God's temple, He is exempt. He is one of the "sons" He spoke of. The lesson intended here to show is that at times it is necessary to sacrifice our rights/position, in order to avoid offense, to uphold their witness, and to keep others from stumbling. This also would have been an offense. Imagine if Jesus told these tax collectors that He didn't have to pay the tax because His Dad is the King, and sons don't pay? Or better yet, that He is literally the Son of God, so as God's Son, He doesn't have to pay. I mean, it would have been worth every bowl of popcorn, and would have probably been highly entertaining, but arguing with the temple leaders who the Son of the King, and that they were supposed to work for Him, just wasn't in His day planner.

As such, your above argument may need to be reconsidered.

You're right - it's not Israel. I never said the woman riding the beast was Israel. I wrote that the woman Mystery Babylon was "the great city", where our Lord was crucified. A single city - not the entire nation. Jerusalem also was called a harlot back in Isaiah 1:21 for her unfaithful conduct, so depicting the great city Jerusalem as a harlot in Revelation is nothing new.

The woman is not Jerusalem. It does not line up with Isaiah 1:21, because fornication and adultery are not the same thing. This city is not the bride of God, as Jerusalem is presented in the Old Testament. This is different. If this is Jerusalem, it is indeed something new. It is completely out of character with what is in the Old Testament.

"How the faithful city has become a [k]harlot!
It was full of justice;
Righteousness lodged in it,
But now murderers.
22 Your silver has become dross,
Your wine mixed with water.
23 Your princes are rebellious,
And companions of thieves;
Everyone loves bribes,
And follows after rewards.
They do not defend the fatherless,
Nor does the cause of the widow come before them."

Does that match what is in Revelation? No.
"4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of [b]her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written:
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS
OF THE EARTH.
6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement."

Nothing about ever being faithful, only being a harlot dealing in fornication. (Not adultery). This is NOT Jerusalem. When God speaks of Jerusalem playing the harlot, it is always unfaithfulness to the husband. There is a prophet who played out the whole role. He is told by God to get married. He does. He marries a prostitute. She is his wife. This is Jerusalem. This person is constantly being unfaithful, but God orders the prophet to take here back every time. Again. The woman in Revelation 17 IS NOT JERUSALEM. And the argument is made that it is also not Rome, because there is too much figurative speech here that shows that she is more. Perhaps a rebuilt Babylon on many waters. (As Babylon the city actually was.) Saddam actually had Babylon rebuilt, though it is abandoned now. All the way back in 1983. He saw himself as Nebuchadnezzar.

The Scarlet Beast that the harlot rode in a dominant position (which Scarlet Beast was the revived independent nation of Israel which arose to power with the Zealot rebellion in AD 66) hated the whore that Jerusalem had been by prostituting itself to Rome for the favors it gave her. All the prophecies related to this Scarlet Beast were connected to that first-century generation and the 7 heads as the 7 high priest "kings of the earth" and the 8th "king" who were all members of the house of Annas. When that generation passed away, the Scarlet Beast also went into destruction as well by the close of AD 70 - heads, horns, harlot, and all.

The Scarlet Beast is in the dominant position. The fact that the beast allowed her to ride it at all shows cooperation. How you are able to fail to recognize who this beast is, when the Bible is clear, is surprising. The beast has come out of the abyss. Israel did not come out of the abyss. This is the antichrist, who is king. The beast is the eighth, as John is told. This will be a person. Yet this person is coming out of the abyss. So... possessed by a powerful demon. This is the same abyss where the prisoners Jesus proclaimed to are in chains.

Since it has already been shown that priests are not kings of the earth, I don't need to deal with the rest of the argument. Since this beast is related to an empire that will come AFTER ROME, this is obviously not in the first few centuries AD. And, if we go by Daniel's prophecy, the empire that comes after grows out of Rome.

 

[Mr GLee]

Wanna start with Rev 13 and the beast system?
There is no time in history that Rev 13 could have been fulfilled nor has it been demonstrated to have been fulfilled.

If you "stay tuned" to current events you can easily look around and see the Rev 13 beast system being built.

No signs were given to wonder after. It's a evil genration that does sek after one. We walk by faith the unseen things of eternal god. Not of the number/

So then are you saying the thousand years is over and Satan the father of lies is loosed aging to deceive all the nations that God is a Jewish King of kings ?

The first century reformation has come and gone.

 

[TMSO]

No signs were given to wonder after. It's a evil genration that does sek after one. We walk by faith the unseen things of eternal god. Not of the number/

So then are you saying the thousand years is over and Satan the father of lies is loosed aging to deceive all the nations that God is a Jewish King of kings ?

The first century reformation has come and gone.

The kingdom has not happened yet. Since it is believed that John wrote I-III John around 100AD, if Jesus had returned, wouldn't John have been the first to say it? If the millennium he had prophesied was here, would He not have told believers how to be good citizens of the Kingdom? Yet, I John immediately starts with, I'm going to tell you about Jesus, the One we saw, we lived with, we beheld. And then, He doesn't say anything like, He has already returned. In fact, John still speaks of antichrists in the midst. False teachers still in full bloom. Apostasy in the church. Still speaking of antichrists as Jesus did.

Satan is still loose, still accusing the Saints, still stirring on strife against Israel in an attempt to defeat God's chosen people and declare His victory over God.

 

[Mr GLee]

3 Resurrections said:
Jerusalem as of the time John was writing Revelation was then ruling over the kings of the earth. You just don't understand how the scripture defines "kings of the earth". They weren't monarchs in the sense which we usually associate with the word "kings". Scripture refers to the "Kings of the earth" as the high priests of the land of Israel: those anointed ones who wore the golden crown with "holiness to the Lord" engraved on it.

Kings in Israel the abomination of desolation.Venerable worshipable dying mankind lording it over the faith of non venerable. . in the place of eternal God not seen

When the veil was rent indicating the work of the father and Son finished. There was no Jewish man as KIng of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies.

satan fell and could not longer deceive the whole world that God is a Jewish man as KIng of kings

 

[Mr GLee]

The kingdom has not happened yet. Since it is believed that John wrote I-III John around 100AD, if Jesus had returned, wouldn't John have been the first to say it? If the millennium he had prophesied was here, would He not have told believers how to be good citizens of the Kingdom? Yet, I John immediately starts with, I'm going to tell you about Jesus, the One we saw, we lived with, we beheld. And then, He doesn't say anything like, He has already returned. In fact, John still speaks of antichrists in the midst. False teachers still in full bloom. Apostasy in the church. Still speaking of antichrists as Jesus did.

Satan is still loose, still accusing the Saints, still stirring on strife against Israel in an attempt to defeat God's chosen people and declare His victory over God.

No signs to wonder after was given.The new heavens and earth will appear on the last day under the sun .

The Son of man Jesus declared his dying flesh profits for nothing.

Jesus the prophet apostle had the Spirit of Christ (Father) working in him .Some did known Christ who worked in Jesus to both will and perform the good pleasure of the father .

The gospel has nothing to do with the dying flesh of mankind from any nation

If mankind is waiting for another fleshly dying Jesus they wait in vain

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 

[CrowCross]

No signs were given to wonder after. It's a evil genration that does sek after one. We walk by faith the unseen things of eternal god. Not of the number/

Prophecy isn't a sign or wonder.

So then are you saying the thousand years is over and Satan the father of lies is loosed aging to deceive all the nations that God is a Jewish King of kings ?

No...the thousand years is in the not to distant future.

What do you think the mark of the beast is?

The first century reformation has come and gone.

What would that reformation be?