The parable of the fig tree and "this generation"

[EarlyActs]

So you as the reader didn't understand what Jesus was referring to in Daniel. The abomination of desolation was when some Greek/Palestinian king took over and had an altar to Zeus built and sacrificed a pig (or multiple, not sure) in the, get this, Holy of Holies. That is like, an untter abomination to the Lord. And this is what Jesus referred to.

Here is the thing. John wrote I John - III John around 100AD, and said that they were still waiting for Jesus to come. Which means that, since John died at right around that time, Jesus wasn't talking about that generation. And, once the tribulation ended, Jesus was clear:

"29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

The visible return of Jesus with the signs of the Son of Man in heaven. But, John says that they are still waiting around 100 AD.

I John 2 "18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[d] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."

So the antichrist still has not come by 100AD, but Nero is long dead.

"28 And now, little children, abide in Him, that [h]when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming."

Again, around 100 AD, and John is saying that Jesus has not come yet.

You don’t know how to read. Jesus was speaking of something that would happen in his generation, toward the end of it. Future tense! Lk 23:38: the babes who were presently nursing would go through a horrible event they wish they could die.

The likely candidate of the evil person (of Dan8-9 and Thess is John of Gischala who butchered the other rebel leaders, and the high priest, by about April of 70. If my memory is correct.

The A of D is not an object, it is a person. In Dan 8 he is first called the Rebellion that Desolates, v13.

 

[EarlyActs]

Most of the OT is saying the time is coming, and most of the NT is saying the time has come!

 

[CrowCross]

I have not been called that name many other names. Looks like you have that upside down .

The scoffers were "willingly ignorant" of the coming .They walked away faithless and no longer followed after Christ who worked in the Son of man, Jesus

John 6: 65-66 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him

I feel bad for you as you have walked away from salvation as well as the coming of Jesus in the clouds.

There is time to repent.

 

[TMSO]

The priesthood of the tribe of Levi was exempt from paying the yearly Temple Tax. This was evidenced by the difference God made for Aaron and his sons back in Numbers 3:48-51. When that redemption money was paid for the difference between the number of firstborn from the children of Israel and the firstborn of the Levites, the money was given to Aaron and his sons. It only stands to reason that the yearly Temple Tax collected for the upkeep of the Temple should not be a cost born by those who served in the temple as high priest and priests. They were the beneficiaries of that Temple Tax, not those who paid it.

That is not what the passage about the tax says. It was marked for the upkeep of the temple. Did it go to Aaron and company? It doesn't say. All it says is it is for the upkeep of the temple. (tabernacle)

In Christ's days, the high priest "kings of the earth" and their sons (just like Aaron and his sons) were the ones for whom the Temple Tax was being collected by their agents who went throughout Israel with this task.

I'm not sure why you are not able to understand that Jesus is comparing what is happening here with actual kings of the earth who levy taxes. He is being told, pay us taxes. So He Peter. What about the kings of the world. Who do they tax? Do they tax their sons, or strangers? Peter says that they tax their sons. So Jesus says, so the I should not have to pay here, because I am the Son of God, the King who instituted the tax. (And you can try and say God didn't instituted this tax in Exodus, but... I already posted the verses.

And the Greek word translated as "strangers" is really translated as "others" (which is not speaking of non-Israelites, but just those who were not in the same category with the high priest kings of the earth).

Others, as in not sons. And He means sons. This is what I mean. You are so set on pegging Israel, when Jesus isn't even doing that. This is THE verse you need to make a link to kings of the earth, and that is not what Jesus was saying, not even implicitly. He was saying that the kings of the earth don't rip off their sons, so why are these guys ripping off the Son of God, the one who instituted the tax?

What I was referring to is your assessment that adultery is not considered fornication. This is wrong. Mystery Babylon / Jerusalem was called a harlot because she had broken her covenant relationship with God. She had committed spiritual fornication with other nations, as God had accused Old Jerusalem once before back in Isaiah. Neither Rome nor any other city was in such a covenant relationship with God where He had put His name there, and so could not be this character, the great city Jerusalem / Mystery Babylon.

Adultery is unfaithfulness. Fornication is not being married and having... fun. Fornication: consensual sexual intercourse between a man and especially single woman who are not married to each other. Single woman. If married, it is adultery. In the Bible, God is clear that for Jerusalem it is unfaithfulness. That is not mentioned here at all. And, nowhere in Revelation does it ever say this woman has a covenant relationship, and Rome did not have a covenant relationship. Neither does this woman. Read it again. There is nothing about unfaithfulness here.

Your assumption of my feelings is just that - an assumption which you are not allowed to make. Those who know me personally would laugh you to scorn. Besides, those who were faithful to the Jewish religion and first brought the Scarlet Beast to power back in Maccabean times were praised by the book of Hebrews and Daniel for that faithfulness under persecution by Antiochus (Hebrews 11:35-39 and Daniel 11:32-35). It was only when the change in the law occurred under Christ's new Great High Priesthood that those who insisted on sticking with the Old Covenant and rejecting Christ brought judgment on themselves and that first-century generation of Jews.

You haven't actually looked at the Scarlet beast, did you. Seven heads, ten horns and ten diadems. The seven heads are kings, the sixth which is and one yet to come, and the beast himself is an eighth. According to many, the sixth head is Nero, which makes the seventh head Galta, and the eighth, which is the beast, is Domitian. I haven't considered what I believe about the scarlet beast recently, but for premillennialism, the date of Revelation doesn't really matter. It's just that we have someone, external evidence, someone who regularly spoke with someone who was the disciple of John, who says that it was written during Domitian's time. Your belief has strict requirements for the date, that I do not believe are met. Especially when there are books written not just after Revelation, but after 70 AD, that say Jesus has not come yet.

Scripture never speaks of a world-wide Antichrist religion that will be in force. Except for the kingdom of God which is promised to grow into a great mountain which will fill the whole world. That is a promise you can count on being fulfilled.

""7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.""

So, every tribe, tongue and nation, blatantly speaks of everyone on Earth. ALL who dwell on the earth will worship him. This is world wide, and it is the Antichrist. Who do you think is possessed by the spirit of the Antichrist John spoke of in I John?

"11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. " It is right there. This is added to the verses above.

 

[TMSO]

You don’t know how to read. Jesus was speaking of something that would happen in his generation, toward the end of it. Future tense! Lk 23:38: the babes who were presently nursing would go through a horrible event they wish they could die.

The likely candidate of the evil person (of Dan8-9 and Thess is John of Gischala who butchered the other rebel leaders, and the high priest, by about April of 70. If my memory is correct.

The A of D is not an object, it is a person. In Dan 8 he is first called the Rebellion that Desolates, v13.

In Daniel 8 he speaks of "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression [g]of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”"

Daniel 8 verse 13 "13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, “How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression [g]of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”"

So where is this "Rebellion that Desolates"? This verse also doesn't speak about a person.

Daniel 9 "
Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”"

This is where the abomination of desolation that Jesus speaks of comes from. On the wings of abominations, obviously not a person, shall be one who makes desolate. So there will be an abomination of desolation brought about by this person who makes desolate. The fulfillment of Daniel 8 was back in 2nd - 3rd century BC. Jesus spoke of a future fulfillment, and linked it to the like of the abomination of desolation that already occurred. (Let the reader understand.) Hence the belief that the temple will be rebuilt, and then, during the 70th week, the temple will be desecrated in the worst possible way.

 

[EarlyActs]

In Daniel 8 he speaks of "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression [g]of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”"

Daniel 8 verse 13 "13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, “How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression [g]of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”"

So where is this "Rebellion that Desolates"? This verse also doesn't speak about a person.

Daniel 9 "
Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”"

This is where the abomination of desolation that Jesus speaks of comes from. On the wings of abominations, obviously not a person, shall be one who makes desolate. So there will be an abomination of desolation brought about by this person who makes desolate. The fulfillment of Daniel 8 was back in 2nd - 3rd century BC. Jesus spoke of a future fulfillment, and linked it to the like of the abomination of desolation that already occurred. (Let the reader understand.) Hence the belief that the temple will be rebuilt, and then, during the 70th week, the temple will be desecrated in the worst possible way.

Re the Dan 8. Read 8-9 altogether. Further down in 8 he is personified. In 9, he is the one who desolates.

 

[EarlyActs]

In Daniel 8 he speaks of "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression [g]of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”"

Daniel 8 verse 13 "13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, “How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression [g]of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”"

So where is this "Rebellion that Desolates"? This verse also doesn't speak about a person.

Daniel 9 "
Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”"

This is where the abomination of desolation that Jesus speaks of comes from. On the wings of abominations, obviously not a person, shall be one who makes desolate. So there will be an abomination of desolation brought about by this person who makes desolate. The fulfillment of Daniel 8 was back in 2nd - 3rd century BC. Jesus spoke of a future fulfillment, and linked it to the like of the abomination of desolation that already occurred. (Let the reader understand.) Hence the belief that the temple will be rebuilt, and then, during the 70th week, the temple will be desecrated in the worst possible way.

So you don’t realize this is nonsense? Jesus said he would be in the temple in that first generation , specific enough to trigger the Christians to leave the city, but you think Jesus was speaking about something 200 years earlier.

That’s like saying “we will get to Mars soon back in 1800.”

Help yourself but just don’t tell anyone.

you quoted the phrase ‘the one who desolates,’ which is exactly the point. It is also why there is the note to the reader in Mt 24. The abomination is a person, as in Thess statements. See the manuscript evidence in the UBS Metzger Greek text.

Rightly understood, Dan 9:26-27 is a miniature of 1st cent Judean history.

Have you ever read Hebrews? There is no future legit phase of Judaism , so there is no future ‘worst possible’ desecration. The Thess passages were about that event, but God decided not to end the whole world , only the nation of Israel. Hence the delay explained by 2Peter 3.

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[Mr GLee]

I feel bad for you as you have walked away from salvation as well as the coming of Jesus in the clouds.

There is time to repent.

Really repent? Did you even read the context ?

You have no idaea what you are talking about. They that scoffed did know know Christ was here working in mankind .

You are confused between God called the Christ and the Son of man, Jesus

Again the Father as Christ worked in the Son of man .

They thought God was a Jewish man they walked after the things lust flesh seen not the spiritual unseen things of God called faith

The scoffers were "willingly ignorant" of the coming of the Holy Spirit that again works in men like Jesus.

God is not a man

 

[Mr GLee]

In Daniel 8 he speaks of "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression [g]of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”"

Daniel 8 verse 13 "13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, “How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression [g]of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”"

So where is this "Rebellion that Desolates"? This verse also doesn't speak about a person.

Daniel 9 "
Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”"

This is where the abomination of desolation that Jesus speaks of comes from. On the wings of abominations, obviously not a person, shall be one who makes desolate. So there will be an abomination of desolation brought about by this person who makes desolate. The fulfillment of Daniel 8 was back in 2nd - 3rd century BC. Jesus spoke of a future fulfillment, and linked it to the like of the abomination of desolation that already occurred. (Let the reader understand.) Hence the belief that the temple will be rebuilt, and then, during the 70th week, the temple will be desecrated in the worst possible way.

The abomination of desolation is clearly Kings in Israel.

The atheist Jew had become jealous of the surrounding pagan nation and demanded a King rather than God as King of kings reigning in the hearts of men God gave them over to do that which they should not of until the time of reformation and restored the order of Judges prophet's sent out as apostles with the gospel .Men and women from every nation Jew and Gentile just as promised in Joel

1 Samuel8:5-7 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

The abomination of desolation reject or make to no efect the word of God that works in those born again .

The moment he walked out of the abomination of desolation in Matthew 23 a temple made with human hands, he made the abomination of desolation desolate . The beginning of the last days under the Sun. A great tribulation for the Jew that was hoping thier dying flesh could profit. A great joy to both the Jewish born again believer and the gentile. A gospel explosion one like never before or ever again.

Studying the effect (Hebrews 9) the first reformation as to its foundation 1 Samuel 8 . It has all but been avoided by many .The first century reformation is the pattern for any reformation needed to restore the government of faith, the unseen eternal things of God .

 

[3 Resurrections]

Others, as in not sons. And He means sons. This is what I mean. You are so set on pegging Israel, when Jesus isn't even doing that. This is THE verse you need to make a link to kings of the earth, and that is not what Jesus was saying, not even implicitly. He was saying that the kings of the earth don't rip off their sons, so why are these guys ripping off the Son of God, the one who instituted the tax?

No, this Matthew 17:24-27 text is not the only verse which speaks of the high priests being the "kings of the earth". The OT also has passages which speak of them with that title. Jesus was not asking Peter about the custom of foreign monarchs taxing their citizens. Christ was asking a fellow Jew about the Jewish practice of the high priest "kings of the earth" and their sons both being exempt from paying the yearly Temple Tax tribute. Christ as the True Son of His Father's house, the temple, should have been exempt from paying this Temple Tax, but to demonstrate His humility, He had Peter pay it anyway for the both of them with the coin retrieved from the fish's mouth.

The very reason why the agents of the high priest in Capernaum collecting this Temple Tax were asking if Christ paid the Temple Tax or not was because the members of the Levitical tribe did not have to pay this. In essence, these Temple Tax collectors were asking if Christ was a descendent of the Levitical tribe or not. The "others" who were obligated to pay the Temple Tax tribute were any adult males from the other tribes of Israel. This was a practice from all the way back in the OT.

You haven't actually looked at the Scarlet beast, did you. Seven heads, ten horns and ten diadems. The seven heads are kings, the sixth which is and one yet to come, and the beast himself is an eighth. According to many, the sixth head is Nero, which makes the seventh head Galta, and the eighth, which is the beast, is Domitian.

I have studied the Scarlet Beast since 2012. The seven heads on the Scarlet Beast are the seven mountains upon which Jerusalem is situated. The seven heads were also seven "kings". There were seven members of the corrupt high priesthood of the house of Annas who conspired against Christ and the disciples during the first century. Five of those high priest "kings" had died, but the sixth high priest "king" was currently still living in John's days, with the seventh (Ananus ben Annas) who had yet to be appointed in AD 63 in the future from John writing Revelation. He would only serve a "short space" of three months before being deposed. The 8th high priest "king" wsa Mattathias, grandson of Annas, serving as high priest in AD 66 as the titular head of the Scarlet Beast which arose to existence once more under the Zealot rebellion against Rome.

The ten horns with no crowns were the ten generals chosen in Jerusalem to prepare Judea for the war with Rome. For a brief "hour" they gave their strength to maintain the Scarlet Beast / the independent kingdom of Israel, and they hated the harlot which Jerusalem had become by her collaboration with Rome. In this virulent hatred for Jerusalem as harlot, they burned her with fire, devoured her flesh, and made her desolate and naked by the Zealot factions warring against each other for supremacy in Jerusalem in the AD 66-70 years, even before Rome came for their final destruction.

.Your belief has strict requirements for the date, that I do not believe are met. Especially when there are books written not just after Revelation, but after 70 AD, that say Jesus has not come yet

This is only your personal belief that the date requirements are not met. And it is a rather common position that ALL of the books of the NT were written before the AD 70 year, based on their internal evidence.

So, every tribe, tongue and nation, blatantly speaks of everyone on Earth. ALL who dwell on the earth will worship him. This is world wide, and it is the Antichrist. Who do you think is possessed by the spirit of the Antichrist John spoke of in I John

You are again confusing the identity of the Roman Sea Beast with the Judean Scarlet Beast. These aren't the same at all. The Antichrist was one of the many antichrists which had come out from among 1 John's readers in that "LAST HOUR". The false christs / antichrists and The Antichrist were a feature of the Judean Scarlet Beast - not the Roman Sea Beast.

The Rev. 13 Roman phase of the Sea Beast was given power over every tongue and nation of the known world at the time. The Rev. 13 Land Beast of the Judean religious leadership collaborated with the Romans (the miry clay mixed with the iron). The Rev. 13 Land Beast instituted the required homage of that Sea Beast via the mark of the Beast which the Land Beast produced. All those "dwelling on the earth" (tes ges - the land of Israel) who were not in the book of life gave homage to that Roman phase of the Sea Beast via the "mark". This "mark" was a requirement imposed by the Land Beast on every one coming to worship at Jerusalem's Temple who wanted to buy or sell sacrificial items for worship. "The earth" (tes ges) is not the same as "the world" (oikoumene) in this case.

 

[Mr GLee]

The ten horns with no crowns were the ten generals chosen in Jerusalem to prepare Judea for the war with Rome. For a brief "hour" they gave their strength to maintain the Scarlet Beast / the independent kingdom of Israel, and they hated the harlot which Jerusalem had become by her collaboration with Rome. In this virulent hatred for Jerusalem as harlot, they burned her with fire, devoured her flesh, and made her desolate and naked by the Zealot factions warring against each other for supremacy in Jerusalem in the AD 66-70 years, even before Rome came for their final destruction.

I would offer.

Ten in that parable represents all the kingdoms of this world under the god of this world, they will becomes the kingdoms of God in the new creation heaven and earth.

The harlot is Satan called the strange woman the lying spirit of false apostles, false prophets. the spirit of the antichrists that works in false prophets that serve a oral law of men above that which is written.(sola scriptura)

Revelation 11:15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The harlot . . the spirit of false prophecy .the strange woman

Proverbs 2:16 To deliver thee from the strange woman, even from the stranger which flattereth with her words

Proverbs 5:3For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:

Proverbs 5:20And why wilt thou, my son, be ravished with a strange woman, and embrace the bosom of a stranger?

Proverbs 6:24To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woman.

Proverbs 7:5That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words.

Proverbs 20:16Take his garment that is surety for a stranger: and take a pledge of him for a strange woman.

Proverbs 23:27For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit.

Proverbs 27:13 Take his garment that is surety for a stranger, and take a pledge of him for a strange woman.

 

[CrowCross]

Really repent? Did you even read the context ?

You have no idaea what you are talking about. They that scoffed did know know Christ was here working in mankind .

You are confused between God called the Christ and the Son of man, Jesus

Again the Father as Christ worked in the Son of man .

They thought God was a Jewish man they walked after the things lust flesh seen not the spiritual unseen things of God called faith

The scoffers were "willingly ignorant" of the coming of the Holy Spirit that again works in men like Jesus.

God is not a man

You demonstrated why you need to repent...and follow the true Christ.....Yes, Jesus was a man...and also God.

The Word who was God..became flesh.

 

[Mr GLee]

You demonstrated why you need to repent...and follow the true Christ.....Yes, Jesus was a man...and also God.

The Word who was God..became flesh.

Really God is a jewish Man? That sounds like something coming from the father of lies

Who was the Son of man Jesus asking for strength to finish the work of the Father, the Christ or Teacher and comforter )

Was he talking to his own alter ego? self talk?

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Jesus the Son of man living in a earthen body of death had no power to raise himself from the dead . God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infalible umpire that sits between mankind seen and eternal God not seen .

 

[CrowCross]

Really God is a jewish Man? That sounds like something coming from the father of lies

Are you saying Jesus wasn't Jewish???????

Who was the Son of man Jesus asking for strength to finish the work of the Father, the Christ or Teacher and comforter )

Jesus was the on of man as well as the son of God. Do you deny that?

Was he talking to his own alter ego? self talk?

No, The Word who is God that became flesh...was talking to God the Father.

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

yes, jesus said that.

Jesus the Son of man living in a earthen body of death had no power to raise himself from the dead . God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infalible umpire that sits between mankind seen and eternal God not seen .

This is why you follow a false Jesus and have no salvation.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The harlot is Satan called the strange woman the lying spirit of false apostles, false prophets. the spirit of the antichrists that works in false prophets that serve a oral law of men above that which is written.(sola scriptura)

A little gender confusion going on here...Satan is called "the Father of lies", not the "Mother of harlots" which was Mystery Babylon's description.

 

[Mr GLee]

A little gender confusion going on here...Satan is called "the Father of lies", not the "Mother of harlots" which was Mystery Babylon's description.

Not at all Lucifer has many names as attributes as a lying spirit.

 

[Mr GLee]

Are you saying Jesus wasn't Jewish???????

I am saying God is not a man

Jesus was the on of man as well as the son of God. Do you deny that?

No I agree the Son of man Jesus who became a Son of God was Jewish man . God is not a Jewish or Gentile Not a man, neither male or female .
He is the Spirit of truth that works in dying mankind

A man must be born again. Jesús our brother it the lord just as all believers that were born of the flesh have been born spirit from above as sons of God . Marvel not

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Sons of God are lovingly commanded to call no man on earth Holy Father .One is our Father in heaven

 

[TMSO]

Re the Dan 8. Read 8-9 altogether. Further down in 8 he is personified. In 9, he is the one who desolates.

I already did, and I don't see it. I even posted the verse you mentioned, and it is not there. In 9 he rides the abomination...

 

[TMSO]

Most of the OT is saying the time is coming, and most of the NT is saying the time has come!

I John, from around 100AD states it has not happened.

 

[TMSO]

The abomination of desolation is clearly Kings in Israel.

So you didn't understand, as Jesus said you needed to. The abomination of desolation was fulfilled in the 2nd or 3rd century when Israel was attacked, and the king of the victors built an altar to Zeus and was sacrificing pigs in the HOLY OF HOLIES. That was the abomination of desolation. Jesus is saying this will happen again, and we need to understand that, given what has already happened, this is the nature of the abomination of desolation. The temple will be desecrated, not simply destroyed.

The atheist Jew had become jealous of the surrounding pagan nation and demanded a King rather than God as King of kings reigning in the hearts of men God gave them over to do that which they should not of until the time of reformation and restored the order of Judges prophet's sent out as apostles with the gospel .Men and women from every nation Jew and Gentile just as promised in Joel

You do understand that this was God's plan all along right? An author doesn't always like where the plot goes. If there were no kings, there would be no Messiah, as the Messiah is of the seed of King David, and is Himself, a king.

1 Samuel8:5-7 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

Again, there is more to the story. This all plays out in the context of all scripture. You cannot hold things in isolation. While they rejected God as King, it was part of God's plan.

The abomination of desolation reject or make to no efect the word of God that works in those born again .

That is not what it is about.

The moment he walked out of the abomination of desolation in Matthew 23 a temple made with human hands, he made the abomination of desolation desolate . The beginning of the last days under the Sun. A great tribulation for the Jew that was hoping thier dying flesh could profit. A great joy to both the Jewish born again believer and the gentile. A gospel explosion one like never before or ever again.

"12 “When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the [d]blows of the sons of men. 15 But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever before [e]you. Your throne shall be established forever.” ’ ”"

What did Jesus call the temple? His Father's house.
John 2 "13 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers [b]doing business. 15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. 16 And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” 17 Then His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for Your house [c]has eaten Me up.”"

And what do you call the Father's house? An abomination. And you do that without fear. What words would Jesus have for you? The Father made the temple His house, and you... called it an abomination of desolation. You may want to reconsider.