The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !

[brightfame52]

The effect of God's Love !

1 Jn 4:19

We love him, because he first loved us.

God does not Love all men without exception because all men without exception do not Love God and Christ ! A evidence of God's Love for a person, is that the one being Loved by Him shall be caused to Love God in Return, and so we have the words of our Text "We love him, because or since he first loved us."

Also that is why Jesus said this to unregenerate jews Jn 8:42

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

And that goes for anyone, If God Loves you, He is your Father and you would Love God, and His Christ, there are no exceptions.

Jn 16:27

27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Again, an evidence that men have been Loved by the Father, because they Love Christ and believe in His Mission from their Father !

Ones Love to God and His Christ is the Fruit of God Loving them !

All who do not Love Christ, let them be accursed ! For God does not Love them 1 Cor 16:21-22

21The salutation of me Paul with mine own hand.

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Paul would dare not say that if He believed these men were Loved by God 5

 

[brightfame52]

Hast loved them, as thou hast loved me !

Jn 17:23

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Now if God Loved all men without exception, then He must have Loved them as He Loved Christ. In context, Jesus is not only speaking of His Disciples, but of also all them that shall believe on Him through their word Jn 17:19-24

19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

The word AS is the greek adverb kathōs:
according as

a) just as, even as

b) in proportion as, in the degree that

They are Loved in the same degree , even as God Loved His Son !!

This means, those Jesus will yet say this to Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If those who teach the false doctrine that God Loves all men without exception, then, these here Christ is speaking to in the Judgment, whom He will say to them, I never knew you, they were Loved by His Father in the same degree that the Father Loved Him ! 5

 

[TMSO]

Rom 8:35-39

Rom 8:35-39

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So what is the quality of this love? "in Christ Jesus our Lord". What is the quality of the love I mentioned? It is NOT in Christ Jesus our Lord, but is the love of a Creator for the work of their hands. God loved all humanity, which is why He took on the form of a human and dwelt amongst... humans. He even hung out with sinners. He ate with them. He supped with them.

Now since according to the false teachers, God and Christ Loved all men without exception, and it appears that nothing can separate the objects of their Love from their Love, then all those who shall yet hear the words of

Again, the difference is the quality of love. Nothing can separate us (elect) from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Death and hell will separate non-believers from the love of God that is NOT in Christ Jesus our Lord. It is, again, the love of the Creator for what He has created. It is seen in common grace, and in mercy.

Matt 25:41

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They can be assured that while they are in everlasting torment and fire, and cursed, that God and Christ still Loves them. 5

Again, you seem to believe there is only one dimension to love. You look as a human, and don't consider that God is not human. The hate God shows is not hate, but avoidance. We have given hate a meaning beyond what is meant by the word hate in the Old testament, and as it is linked to God, carries over to the New Testament. God does not change. There is a love God has for His elect in Christ Jesus, and there is the general love God had for all humanity, which is why He became a human and lived among humans to be the Savior of His elect of humanity.

 

[TMSO]

Thats directed to the elect anyway. They the only ones who have God as their heavenly Father.

It depends on context. The Creator can also be considered as heavenly Father, however, only the elect consider God as abba Father, that is... Dad. To humanity, to call God heavenly Father is FORMAL, as our Creator. As a believer, in the Holy Spirit, we call the Father... Dad. It is a completely different experience, understanding, and existence.

 

[brightfame52]

So what is the quality of this love? "in Christ Jesus our Lord". What is the quality of the love I mentioned? It is NOT in Christ Jesus our Lord, but is the love of a Creator for the work of their hands. God loved all humanity, which is why He took on the form of a human and dwelt amongst... humans. He even hung out with sinners. He ate with them. He supped with them.

Again, the difference is the quality of love. Nothing can separate us (elect) from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Death and hell will separate non-believers from the love of God that is NOT in Christ Jesus our Lord. It is, again, the love of the Creator for what He has created. It is seen in common grace, and in mercy.

Again, you seem to believe there is only one dimension to love. You look as a human, and don't consider that God is not human. The hate God shows is not hate, but avoidance. We have given hate a meaning beyond what is meant by the word hate in the Old testament, and as it is linked to God, carries over to the New Testament. God does not change. There is a love God has for His elect in Christ Jesus, and there is the general love God had for all humanity, which is why He became a human and lived among humans to be the Savior of His elect of humanity.

The Love that's in Christ Jesus is Gods exclusive Love. Everyone else is hated. And He Christ only identified with part of humanity, the seed of Abraham,not all humanity Heb 2:16-17

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

 

[brightfame52]

It depends on context. The Creator can also be considered as heavenly Father, however, only the elect consider God as abba Father, that is... Dad. To humanity, to call God heavenly Father is FORMAL, as our Creator. As a believer, in the Holy Spirit, we call the Father... Dad. It is a completely different experience, understanding, and existence.

God isnt everyone's Heavenly Father, Jesus denies that for some jews Jn 8:42-44

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[brightfame52]

Propitiation for our sins !

We know that God does not Love all without exception because if He did, all without exception would have had all their sins taken away and could not be punished for their sins, because scriptures says

1 Jn 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

You see that ? God's Love was demonstrated to those He so Loved, that He sent His Son the Lord Jesus Christ to be the propitiation for our sins.

Now, those who have and shall die in their sins, it is evident that Christ was not the propitiation for their sins, meaning He did not satisfy God's Law and Justice for them, so consequently they must remain unbelievers and die in their sins Jn 8:24

24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Its no doubt about it, Christ is being even now for all that He died for the propitiation for their sins before the heavenly mercy Seat and Throne of God.

The word propitiation here is the greek word hilasmos and means:

an appeasing, propitiating continually !

2) the means of appeasing, a propitiation

The Lord Jesus Christ for all them God Loved, He has established everlasting peace with God for them.

Its a Peace that the Son of God Made with His Blood Col 1:20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Peace is the fruit of propitiation, God is at Peace with with every soul Christ died for, and that is the fruit of His Love !

Now, those who shall yet hear these words Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God did not Love them, and did not send Christ to be the propitiation for their sins, because if He did, God would be obligated, for Christ's sake, to receive them into His Favor , because His Law and Justice had been satisfied on their behalf by His Son ! 5

 

[TMSO]

The Love that's in Christ Jesus is Gods exclusive Love. Everyone else is hated. And He Christ only identified with part of humanity, the seed of Abraham,not all humanity Heb 2:16-17

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Just come out and say it. God is a God of hate. He just happens to love some, right? I mean, they are a very small minority.

 

[brightfame52]

Just come out and say it. God is a God of hate. He just happens to love some, right? I mean, they are a very small minority.

Ive said what I have meant to say.

 

[TMSO]

Ive said what I have meant to say.

And I have told you what I understand you say. So good. We understand that now. So, how do we change a God of hate to a God of love as the Bible teaches?

 

[brightfame52]

And I have told you what I understand you say. So good. We understand that now. So, how do we change a God of hate to a God of love as the Bible teaches?

I dont know what you talking about

 

[TMSO]

I dont know what you talking about

You say God hates all who are not elect. The majority of humanity are not elect. Therefore, when considering God in light of love and hate, this would make God a God of hate. Since we know His nature is love, how do we change God from hate to love, given that would take a majority? How do you reconcile what you say with what Jesus presented at the Sermon on the Mount?

 

[brightfame52]

You say God hates all who are not elect. The majority of humanity are not elect. Therefore, when considering God in light of love and hate, this would make God a God of hate. Since we know His nature is love, how do we change God from hate to love, given that would take a majority? How do you reconcile what you say with what Jesus presented at the Sermon on the Mount?

God is Love and He hates the Nonelect, hating the Nonelect doesnt prevent him from being Love. Gods Love Is particular and selective Rom 9:13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

 

[TMSO]

God is Love and He hates the Nonelect, hating the Nonelect doesnt prevent him from being Love. Gods Love Is particular and selective Rom 9:13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

The majority of human is non-elect, and such, would not God be a God of hate. He only loves a small majority of the vast number of humanity. And Romans 9:13 again means God preferred Jacob over Esau. The word hate is not properly translated from the ancient Hebrew, which had a thorn and seed as a pictograph. What do we do with thorns? We avoid them. That is the picture of God's "hate". Or, did Jacob hate Leah, as scripture says? No, Jacob avoided Leah because he loved Rachel. And some say perhaps because Laban's treachery stung him. He didn't "hate" Leah as we hate, and unloved is a harsh way of saying it as some translations do. He preferred Ruth over Leah. And... God didn't like it so Leah was a baby making machine for a period of time.

 

[JIM]

God is Love and He hates the Nonelect, hating the Nonelect doesnt prevent him from being Love. Gods Love Is particular and selective Rom 9:13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

You posit a god that requires you do love your enemies, but he hates his. What a total disconnect from the God of the Bible.

With respect to your reference to Romans 8:13, Albert Barns has this:

Have I hated - This does not mean any positive hatred; but that he had preferred Jacob, and had withheld from Esau those privileges and blessings which he had conferred on the posterity of Jacob. This is explained in Mal_1:3,” And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness;” compare Jer_49:17-18; Eze_35:6. It was common among the Hebrews to use the terms “love” and “hatred” in this comparative sense, where the former implied strong positive attachment, and the latter, not positive hatred, but merely a less love, or the withholding of the expressions of affection; compare Gen_29:30-31; Pro_13:24, “He that spareth his rod hateth his son; but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes;” Mat_6:24, “No man can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other,” etc.; Luk_14:26, “if any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, etc.”

 

[brightfame52]

You posit a god that requires you do love your enemies, but he hates his. What a total disconnect from the God of the Bible.

With respect to your reference to Romans 8:13, Albert Barns has this:

Have I hated - This does not mean any positive hatred; but that he had preferred Jacob, and had withheld from Esau those privileges and blessings which he had conferred on the posterity of Jacob. This is explained in Mal_1:3,” And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness;” compare Jer_49:17-18; Eze_35:6. It was common among the Hebrews to use the terms “love” and “hatred” in this comparative sense, where the former implied strong positive attachment, and the latter, not positive hatred, but merely a less love, or the withholding of the expressions of affection; compare Gen_29:30-31; Pro_13:24, “He that spareth his rod hateth his son; but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes;” Mat_6:24, “No man can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other,” etc.; Luk_14:26, “if any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, etc.”

Gods Love or hate for an individual isn't governed by what His creatures are commanded to do. God has rights with His creatures that His creatures dont have, remember God is the potter we are the clay.

 

[JIM]

Gods Love or hate for an individual isn't governed by what His creatures are commanded to do. God has rights with His creatures that His creatures dont have, remember God is the potter we are the clay.

But the meaning you attach to the word "hate" in Romans 9 is clearly wrong. You have a very poor concept of God's attribute of love or hate and how that pertains to the sinner.

 

[brightfame52]

We know God doesnt love all mankind since all mankind doesnt Love God, Love to God is encased in His love to them He Loves 1 n 4:10,19

10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

19 We love him, because he first loved us.

All for whom He Loves, Christ was sent to be a propitiation for their sins, and He will give them a circumcised heart that Loves God Deut 30:6

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

 

[JIM]

We know God doesnt love all mankind since all mankind doesnt Love God, Love to God is encased in His love to them He Loves 1 n 4:10,19

10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

19 We love him, because he first loved us.

All for whom He Loves, Christ was sent to be a propitiation for their sins, and He will give them a circumcised heart that Loves God Deut 30:6

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Your views on this come not from Scripture but rather from your religion.

The passage in 1 John 4 says that God first loved us. It does not say that He doesn't love the others. In fact, a major teaching there is that we must love our brother, regardless of who and what that brother is. You need to go back and review who Christ said was "our brother". Clearly there "our brother" is the whole of mankind. Do we have to love what he is and does? No, but we must love him even if he is a sinner. And if we must love him, then surely God loves him. To think otherwise is to have a really low opinion of God.

 

[brightfame52]

Your views on this come not from Scripture but rather from your religion.

The passage in 1 John 4 says that God first loved us. It does not say that He doesn't love the others. In fact, a major teaching there is that we must love our brother, regardless of who and what that brother is. You need to go back and review who Christ said was "our brother". Clearly there "our brother" is the whole of mankind. Do we have to love what he is and does? No, but we must love him even if he is a sinner. And if we must love him, then surely God loves him. To think otherwise is to have a really low opinion of God.

Again those whom God loved, encased in that Love God loved them with,is a return love to God

We know God doesnt love all mankind since all mankind doesnt Love God, Love to God is encased in His love to them He Loves 1 n 4:10,19

10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

19 We love him, because he first loved us.

All for whom He Loves, Christ was sent to be a propitiation for their sins, and He will give them a circumcised heart that Loves God Deut 30:6

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.