No it doesnt have anything to do with the duty of a believer. A believer cant kill someone,but God can. God could hate esau but that doesnt mean jacob can hate him.Remember God is the Creator we are creatures, dont put yourself on Gods level friend. Then Gods hate is pure and just, mans hate is sinful, from a sinful heart.It has everything to do with what the believer is to do. God is our example. So we are to hate as God hates. No nuance.
There is a general love that exists outside of the love in Jesus Christ. It saves no one. Again, it is the love that a Creator has for the works of His hands. Jesus in Matthew 6 speaks to that love, that benevolence, that care provided to the creation by the Creator. It is that which keeps people living from day to day. That which allows God to have mercy. No love, no mercy. There is no mercy at judgment because God's justice prevails. It is the same idea as the hate presented by Jesus when He tells us we must hate family, and self to be His disciple. How can we know? John says that if we hate our brother, the truth is not in us.Nothing general about Gods Love, its in Jesus Christ, its special and exclusive. God takes care of all His creatures providentially, yet He doesnt love them. Like a Prison warden, he or she may care for the prisoners,providing for them, taking care of them, but they dont love the prisoners.
Of what does God speak of with Esau and Jacob?No it doesnt have anything to do with the duty of a believer. A believer cant kill someone,but God can. God could hate esau but that doesnt mean jacob can hate him.Remember God is the Creator we are creatures, dont put yourself on Gods level friend. Then Gods hate is pure and just, mans hate is sinful, from a sinful heart.
False outside of Jesus Christ God hates men Ps 5:5; Rom 9:13There is a general love that exists outside of the love in Jesus Christ.
I see you have been given {Edit by Admin}Of what does God speak of with Esau and Jacob?
This is a divine revelation. The Lord spoke his word to Israel through Malachi.
2 “I loved you,” says the Lord.
“But you ask, ‘How did you love us?’
“Wasn’t Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “I loved Jacob, 3 but Esau I hated. I turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the jackals in the desert.
4 “The descendants of Esau may say, ‘We have been beaten down, but we will rebuild the ruins.’
“Yet, this is what the Lord of Armies says: They may rebuild, but I will tear it down. They will be called ‘the Wicked Land’ and ‘the people with whom the Lord is always angry.’ 5 You will see these things with your own eyes and say, ‘Even outside the borders of Israel the Lord is great.’
This speaks of Edom. This speaks of Israel. I loved you said the Lord to Israel. Why does He say He loves Israel? "I loved Jacob". What about Edom? "Esau I hated. I turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the jackals in the desert." How can we be sure? "The descendants of Esau may say, 'WE have been beaten down, but we will rebuild the ruins.' This speaks of a PEOPLE, not about individuals. Hence "They will be called 'The Wicked Land' and 'the people with whom the Lord is always angry'. A group.
The author of Hebrews was not speaking to this at all, but, as clearly stated in Hebrews, it was used to show the purpose of God's election. God's choosing. The author specifically states that the choice was made before they were born, before they had done any actions good or evil, which goes to say, without foreknowledge. God did not consider their future actions.
God does not hate the work of His hands. That is outside of His nature. He may not love them with an undending love as the elect, but He loves the work of His hands, as an artist loves the work of their hands. It extends no further but for the elect, it extends to eternity.
So I should just stop reading the Bible? I have been taught forever that the Bible is the foundation of the truth. God is speaking of loving Israel here, and of his ever present anger towards Edom, Esau's descendants. Anger and love are not opposites. There are two peoples spoke of here. Those who were chosen to be the chosen people of God, and one that was not. The one that was not faces the anger of God, and the other seems to have difficulty understanding God loves them. The word hate does not show up with Edom, just the word anger. The Old Testament makes it clear that God has no love for the people group of Edom. That does not speak to the individuals who are members of humanity. Jesus said that there are events that end lives that are not the judgment of God. Just, wrong place at the wrong time. The main reason is that judgment comes after death. Anger and hate are not opposites.I see you have been given a strong delusion to believe that which is not true !
Again, we are talking about ALL HUMANITY, not groups of peoples. The world is all humanity, as you have already quoted the verse that states that the elect were a part of the world, but God took them out. So the world is all humanity. Not individuals, not nations, not people groups, just one blob...humanity. For God so loved all of humanity that He sent His Son to save His elect from within humanity. He didn't choose to save all humanity, though He technically could have. He chose to save some.Only Love revealed !
True Believers take God at His Word ! God's Sovereign distinguishing Love for His Chosen is the only Love for man God reveals as per Deut 7:6-7
6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
Mal 1:2
2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
Now there is nothing here that suggests that God also Loved the Egyptians or other people groups that existed when this truth was made known, and it would pure assumption to state that He did !
Directed towards His own people, Malachi 1.God's Love is not as the False teachers tell us, a general love for all mankind, regardless of their perversion of the Jn 3:16 text or the 1 Jn 2:2 text, but it is special and directed only to His own People Jn 13:1
Kind of like if your choice was love between you and your own family, and friends, in the end you choose family. (Unless you hate your family.)1Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
I did some research on the Hebrew, and apparently the meaning of the word hate to the Hebrews in the Old Testament era was to avoid. So God favored Jacob over Esau, and avoided Esau. (The pictograph for hate is a thorn and seed... things you avoid.) With Jesus becoming human, was He avoiding humans?The Church Eph 5:25,28-29
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Scripture here is very specific as to who Christ Loved, the Church, same as in Jn 13:1, Which is His own Body
28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Again, Christ Loved His Own Church, His Wife, His Own Body, what can be made more plainer to any honest heart quickened by God ?
Read again Mal 1:2, this is the very scripture God inspired Paul to use when preaching about the Election of Grace Rom 9:11-13 cp Rom 11:5-6. That such a truth is really the case [God's Love being discriminate] that God Loves only some men and not others, Paul anticipated the objection of our carnal mind against it and wrote immediately after vs 14
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Now how many of us believe that for God to Love only some of humanity and hate others, love them not, simply based upon motives in Himself and not the creature's doing good or evil, that God would be unrighteous[injustice] for doing so ?
Injustice means :
the quality or fact of being unjust; inequity.
violation of the rights of others; unjust or unfair action or treatment.
Those of you who say what Paul anticipated his hearers to say, that if God did this He would be unfair, then you know that Paul Preached a Distinguishing Love of God for some and hating others !
God loves everyone without exception, but you need to follow the terminology. God created Humanity. God loves Humanity. Consider the ancient Hebrew translation of hate, use that with love, and you will see how John 3:16 is correctly interpreted with the world being the world. For God did not avoid humanity (hate humanity, the world) but took upon Himself flesh and dwelt among... HUMANITY. In the translation of hate from Hebrew, this is not hate. Hate means to avoid, to stay away from. The thorn and seed. God didn't avoid or stay away from Humanity, He became a human, that is He took upon Himself flesh, that He could live among HUMANITY.If God Loves everyone without exception as it is falsely preached these days, what does His Love have to do with one being saved ? It would have nothing to do with it, since millions whom God Loved will be tormented forever and ever for their sins. To hear these false teachers tell it, God Loved eternally those, just as much as He did those who shall be Glorified with Him forever !
But scripture is clear that it is because of God's Great Love for His Elect that they are saved Eph 2:4-5
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )
Those who believe God Loved all men without exception, say this Great Love that saves is powerless to save all whom He Loved !
Again, stop looking at love in one dimension. God does not fit in boxes. He doesn't even fit in the universe. You keep speaking of God's eternal love as being the same love that has God feeding birds, and clothing the lilies of the field.1 Jn 4:9-10
1 Jn 4:9-10
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
If God Loved all men without exception as some falsely assert, then it is His Purpose that they live [spiritually] through Christ, because He was sent into the world to be a propitiation for their sins, so if all without exception do not live spiritually, but remain dead in sin, God in His Love has failed in that Purpose, there is simply no other conclusion ! 5
Thats directed to the elect anyway. They the only ones who have God as their heavenly Father.Again, stop looking at love in one dimension. God does not fit in boxes. He doesn't even fit in the universe. You keep speaking of God's eternal love as being the same love that has God feeding birds, and clothing the lilies of the field.
"25 “For this reason I say to you, [n]do not be worried about your [o]life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the [p]air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? 27 And who of you by being worried can add a single [q]hour to his [r]life? 28 And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, 29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! 31 Do not worry then, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear for clothing?’ 32 For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But [s]seek first [t]His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be [u]added to you."
This is not even speaking of salvation, but daily care. Providence. Common grace. However, for those who seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, God will take care of you.
