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The Greatest Lie Of Them All

Yes, we were all goats once and many sheep still act like goats! :)
No-one who is saved was ever a goat. We were lost sheep whom Jesus found.

Many goats think that they're sheep and/or claim to be sheep.
 
You know not the power and love of God and what the lake of fire is for?

What is found not written in the book of life God can write in!

Oh, you of little faith and lack of love for others and ignorant of God's purposes.

Understand that the singular God is one in a plurality that includes Father and Son (sons) in a unified relationship and that creation is a showcase of God's glory pointing to this fact!

This is the sign of this:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

God bless you! :)
Once again.....
Rev 20:15 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Don't worry people....YOU'RE GOOD.
 
You don't know the answer to that question?

Are all people saved?
Redeemed and have the means of justification, sanctification, and the potential for salvation

Salvation is not a only doctrine a doctrine to be believed, but a sacrifice / atonement, and union with the person of Christ the mediator, members of Christ!


Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part. All mankind is redeemed.
Lk 2:11 Jn 1:29 rm 5:8 1 pet 1:21-23
God gives all men sufficient truth and grace for salvation.

Justification:
then if we accept His redemption we are justified, born again by faith and baptism. Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 8:36 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:21

Sanctification:
Members of Christ and his church by grace we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, suffering other sacraments etc. until death. Phil 1:29

At the hour of death separation from the grace of God by apostasy / rejection of Christ or failing to repent of serious sin a man is lost in damnation! Or

Salvation:
Is for those who are faithful and die in the grace of God united to Christ and in his saints at death enter into eternal salvation! Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) Jn 3:5 zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)
 
Redeemed is salvation.

A good study of the NT is in order.
No it is not
Four separate things

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part. All mankind is redeemed.
Lk 2:11 Jn 1:29 rm 5:8 1 pet 1:21-23
God gives all men sufficient truth and grace for salvation.

Justification:
then if we accept His redemption we are justified, born again by faith and baptism. Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 8:36 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:21

Sanctification:
Members of Christ and his church by grace we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, suffering other sacraments etc. until death. Phil 1:29

At the hour of death separation from the grace of God by apostasy / rejection of Christ or failing to repent of serious sin a man is lost in damnation! Or

Salvation:
Is for those who are faithful and die in the grace of God united to Christ and in his saints at death enter into eternal salvation! Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) Jn 3:5 zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)
 
No it is not
Four separate things

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part. All mankind is redeemed.
Lk 2:11 Jn 1:29 rm 5:8 1 pet 1:21-23
God gives all men sufficient truth and grace for salvation.

Justification:
then if we accept His redemption we are justified, born again by faith and baptism. Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 8:36 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:21

Sanctification:
Members of Christ and his church by grace we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, suffering other sacraments etc. until death. Phil 1:29

At the hour of death separation from the grace of God by apostasy / rejection of Christ or failing to repent of serious sin a man is lost in damnation! Or

Salvation:
Is for those who are faithful and die in the grace of God united to Christ and in his saints at death enter into eternal salvation! Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) Jn 3:5 zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)
Please define redemption and salvation, pointing out their distinction.
 
When people are called out of the world unto God they become sheep. Before that they are goats!
So wrong~I have hesitated joining this thread because of some posts therein, but will informed you that you have so much yet to learn, but you are not alone after reading the few post herein.

God's elect, and not all are btw, have never been goats, never. We have been lost sheep, but sheep nonetheless.

One of so many that could be provided.
 
So wrong~I have hesitated joining this thread because of some posts therein, but will informed you that you have so much yet to learn, but you are not alone after reading the few post herein.

God's elect, and not all are btw, have never been goats, never. We have been lost sheep, but sheep nonetheless.


One of so many that could be provided.
The other sheep is the House of Israel! All that are called to God and if they are chosen then they become the elect through being a faithful overcome! Many are called and few are chosen but there is three kinds of elections just as there are three fruit harvests.

God bless you. :)
 
One of the biggest problems in the op is the use of the KJV where the KJV has not translated the Greek manuscripts well. 1 Timothy 2:4 does not say, "Who will have all men saved..." It says, "who all men desires to be saved..." The simple fact is there is a book of life and not everyone's name is written therein. The word is used 19 times in the NT and over a third of those occasions the KJV translates the word differently than "wills." It is not even consistent with itself.
The KJV does not have a problem, the problem lies with those who don't know how to follow Ezra's method of teaching the word of God.


The question that immediately comes to mind is, "What is meant by the term ‘all men’ here?" It could mean one of at least two things, either (1) all men without exception, or (2) all men without distinction. If you believe this passage supports your claim, then you must think it means the first one. But you're operating on a hidden assumption, an assumption because you don't argue for it from the text and hidden because you don't even acknowledge your assumption. Making a biblical argument requires more than just quoting a biblical text.

That being said, I think if you look closely at the first two verses—which were conspicuously not included—you will discover the answer hiding in plain sight. In other words, this passage itself reveals what is meant here. The apostle Paul urges that all prayers, from intercessions to thanksgiving, be made for all men (verse 1), even for kings and for all that are in authority (verse 2). I would argue that Paul was clear about what he meant, namely, all men without distinction. So, carrying this forward to the verses that follow it, when he says that God wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth he means not just the common man, laborers and farmers, but rather all men, from wretched slaves to powerful elites. None are precluded from the need of Christ's salvation.

Herein lies the difference between the two positions: One is a baseless assumption, the other is an exegetical inference—and, hilariously, the former is calling the latter heretical.
Did a very good job of of following Ezra's method of teaching.
 
Not in God's economy.
It is God who makes sheep and goats and even the sheep that act and think like goats. Many sheep do not even know that they are of the House of Israel and that is even after they are converted to Christ! :)
 
So wrong~I have hesitated joining this thread because of some posts therein, but will informed you that you have so much yet to learn, but you are not alone after reading the few post herein.

God's elect, and not all are btw, have never been goats, never. We have been lost sheep, but sheep nonetheless.


One of so many that could be provided.
Yes, so lost that many think they are converted Gentiles and still know not they were of the House of Israel but were divorced by God for their idolatry. They were scatter among the nations and took on the customs and Gods of the Gentiles. These lost sheep for all practical purposes were Gentiles in the way that they lived and forgot their ancestral identity!
 
But they're still sheep.

What/where is the "house of Israel"?
You will need to start reading the whole bible and learn of God's dealing with his people and the breakup of Israel in to two Houses during the time of King Solomon. Israel in the most part are in their own lands today but were scattered among the Gentiles before that. Even though most of the House of Israel are Christians' they do not know their tribal identity and think they are Gentiles converted to Christianity. Yes, many sheep thinking that they were goats and still act and think like goats!

it is an interesting fact that the House of Judah know who they are but rejected Christ but the House of Israel know not who they are but for the most part became Christians. :)
 
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Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

True! However, all things are possible with God and why Jesus is the Savior of the whole world! :)
Sounds as though you're preaching Universalism ("We'll ALL get there in the end). I disagree.
 
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