The Greatest Lie Of Them All

[SeventhDay]

I think and I hope he means Christ redeemed all men and makes the salvation of all men possible!

But we must accept Christ by faith!

Thanks

All that you say is true and if Christ did not redeem us we would not have the gift of faith through God's grace.

Jesus atonement is a complete success!

 

[Eleanor]

All that you say is true and if Christ did not redeem us we would not have the gift of faith through God's grace.

Jesus atonement is a complete success!

Agreed, it saves all for whom it was made.

 

[SeventhDay]

Agreed, it saves all for whom it was made.

It was made for all so please teach it!

Rom 11:29 Because the gifts and the calling of God are never revoked.
Rom 11:30 For just as you once did not believe God, but have now been shown mercy through their unbelief,
Rom 11:31 In the same way also, they have not believed at this time in order that through the mercy shown to you, they also may have mercy shown to them.
Rom 11:32 For God has given them all over to unbelief in order that He might show mercy to all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches of both the wisdom and the knowledge of God! How unfathomable are His judgments and unsearchable are His ways!
Rom 11:34 For who did know the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor?
Rom 11:35 Or who first gave to Him, and it shall be recompensed to him again?
Rom 11:36 For from Him, and through Him, and unto Him are all things; to Him be the glory into the ages of eternity. Amen.

God will be glorified in all men and all men will glorify God!

 

[Josheb]

The teaching that God saves some and not all is the greatest of all lies and is a denial of Jesus atonement. It is an appalling deceitful lie and makes Jesus atonement a mockery!

Hades and death are not the world but since God is destroying both shows that God is saving the world....

The opening post does not specify "the world." It says "all." God does not save some; He saves all. That's what this op asserts. Now the goalposts are being moved.

Are you misunderstanding me?

...........and if you examine your heart you will take this seriously:

I meant what I said. Keep your comments about the subject of discussion and leave flaming, insulting, and other personal comments about others out of the posts.

Take this seriously.

 

[Josheb]

Are you misunderstanding me?

Hades and death are not the world but since God is destroying both shows that God is saving the world and if you examine your heart you will take this seriously:

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the Firstfruit; then, those who are Christ's at His coming.
1Co 15:24 Afterwards the end comes, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to Him Who is God and Father, when He shall have put an end to all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For it is ordained that He reign until He has put all enemies under His feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when it is said that all things have been put in subjection, it is clearly evident that it does not include Him Who put all things in subjection under Him.
1Co 15:28 But when He has put all things in subjection to Him, then shall the Son Himself also be subject to Him Who put all things in subjection to Him, so that God may be all in all.

God bless you!

Those not Christ's are not made alive.


I'm still waiting on an answer to my request. Would you please show us how God saves death and reconciles death to Himself since the last enemy, death, is destroyed, not saved. "All" means all, not some, according to the op.

 

[SeventhDay]

Those not Christ's are not made alive.


I'm still waiting on an answer to my request. Would you please show us how God saves death and reconciles death to Himself since the last enemy, death, is destroyed, not saved. "All" means all, not some, according to the op.

I am through with explaining to you, Josheb.

God bless you!

 

[Eleanor]

It was made for all so please teach it!

Rom 11:29 Because the gifts and the calling of God are never revoked.

Precisely, they are being fulfilled in a remnant (Ro 11:1-5), just as it is among the Gentiles.

Rom 11:30 For just as you once did not believe God, but have now been shown mercy through their unbelief,
Rom 11:31 In the same way also, they have not believed at this time in order that through the mercy shown to you, they also may have mercy shown to them.
Rom 11:32 For God has given them all over to unbelief in order that He might show mercy to all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches of both the wisdom and the knowledge of God! How unfathomable are His judgments and unsearchable are His ways!
Rom 11:34 For who did know the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor?
Rom 11:35 Or who first gave to Him, and it shall be recompensed to him again?
Rom 11:36 For from Him, and through Him, and unto Him are all things; to Him be the glory into the ages of eternity. Amen.

God will be glorified in all men and all men will glorify God!

So all those who died in rejection of Jesus Christ over the last 2,000 years, including those who murdered him, are saved?

Not according to apostolic teaching authoritative to the church.

 

[SeventhDay]

Precisely, they are being fulfilled in a remnant (Ro 11:1-5), just as it is among the Gentiles.

So all those who died in rejection of Jesus Christ over the last 2,000 years, including those who murdered him, are saved?

Not according to apostolic teaching authoritative to the church.

Did not Jesus say "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"? That applies to all of humanity!

Psa 2:1 Why do the nations rage and the people plot in vain?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together against the LORD and against His Christ, saying,
Psa 2:3 "Let us break Their bands asunder and cast away Their cords from us."
Psa 2:4 He who sits in the heavens laughs; the LORD scoffs at them.
Psa 2:5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, and in His fury He terrifies them.
Psa 2:6 "Yea, I have set My king upon Zion, My holy mountain."
Psa 2:7 "I will declare the decree of the LORD. He has said to Me, 'You are My Son; this day I have begotten You.
Psa 2:8 Ask of Me, and I shall give the nations for Your inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for Your possession.
Psa 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.' "
Psa 2:10 Now therefore be wise, O kings; be admonished, O judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry and you perish in the way, for His wrath can flame up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in Him.

 

[Eleanor]

Did not Jesus say "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"? That applies to all of humanity!

Sez who? Not my Bible.

 

[CherubRam]

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell / Gehenna.

The bible teaches Annihilationism.

Annihilationism is taught in the bible | Christian Forum

Annihilationism is taught in the bible Annihilationism (also known as extinctionism or destructionism) is a belief that after the final judgment some

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Gehenna | Christian Forum

Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the bible. Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Je

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[Josheb]

I am through with explaining to you, Josheb.

God bless you!

ROTFLMBO!!!!!

NOTHING has been EXPLAINED. All that has happened in this thread is a bunch of assaults on the forum's members and a pile of scriptures being abused. I made ONE request.


Still waiting for an explanation.

 

[Arial]

It was made for all so please teach it!

Stop telling others what they ought to teach.

 

[Fred]

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell / Gehenna.

The bible teaches Annihilationism.

Annihilationism is taught in the bible | Christian Forum

Annihilationism is taught in the bible Annihilationism (also known as extinctionism or destructionism) is a belief that after the final judgment some

christianforum.boards.net

Gehenna | Christian Forum

Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the bible. Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Je

christianforum.boards.net

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/is-the-doctrine-of-eternal-conscious-torment-biblical-or-not.923/page-3#post-36231

 

[DialecticSkeptic]

Are you going to respond to me, @SeventhDay?

 

[David1701]

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell / Gehenna.

The bible teaches Annihilationism.

Annihilationism is taught in the bible | Christian Forum

Annihilationism is taught in the bible Annihilationism (also known as extinctionism or destructionism) is a belief that after the final judgment some

christianforum.boards.net

Gehenna | Christian Forum

Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the bible. Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Je

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For how long does the smoke of the torment of the ones in hell arise? Is it temporary or perpetual? What does Scripture say?

P.S. I know the answer. I'm not looking for information, but to get you to look for yourself.

 

[Eleanor]

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell / Gehenna.

The bible teaches Annihilationism.

Annihilationism is taught in the bible | Christian Forum

Annihilationism is taught in the bible Annihilationism (also known as extinctionism or destructionism) is a belief that after the final judgment some

christianforum.boards.net

Gehenna | Christian Forum

Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the bible. Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Je

christianforum.boards.net

Destruction is not annihilation, cessation of existence.

When a building is destroyed, its ashes remain.

 

[donadams]

Agreed, it saves all for whom it was made.

Is Jesus the only savior?
Are all people included?

 

[donadams]

All that you say is true and if Christ did not redeem us we would not have the gift of faith through God's grace.

Jesus atonement is a complete success!

But not “faith alone”!

 

[CherubRam]

For how long does the smoke of the torment of the ones in hell arise? Is it temporary or perpetual? What does Scripture say?

P.S. I know the answer. I'm not looking for information, but to get you to look for yourself.

Parable, you are reading a parable. The parable is about eternal destruction. PARABLE

 

[CherubRam]

Destruction is not annihilation, cessation of existence.

When a building is destroyed, its ashes remain.

I think you do not want to know what I think.