The Called !

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More scriptures that indicates a call into Faith !

We have shown how 1 Cor 1:9 denotes a call into Faith by way of a call unto Fellowship

Another scripture that speaks to the same purpose is Rom 8:30

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Amen, the same them that He called, them He Justified, that is Justified by Faith

Paul writes how that Abraham heard the Gospel, how that God would Justify the heathen through Faith Gal 3:8

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Rom 5:1

1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:


The same greek prep ek is used, just one translated through faith and the other by Faith

Nevertheless, the called in Rom 8:30 come to Justification by or through Faith.

Paul uses both in same verse here Rom 3:30

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

But notice again its a work God shall do. 2

 

[jeremiah1five]

The called are Israel. Don't confuse covenant Israel with Gentiles of whom God made no covenant.
That seems to be the position of Gentile Christians who usurp and attemt theft of Israel's covenant with God. They attempt to steal Israel's covenant and promises and their salvation and try to make it say, "Salvation is of the Gentiles!" which is a lie.
Israel is God's Chosen people and apple of His eye.
Israel is the Bride of Christ and True Church of God. They hold all the covenants and the promises and salvation for God has given it to them.
God made no covenant with Gentiles. God is merely bringing them in without a covenant.

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Rom. 9:4–5.

Christ was not Promised to Gentiles. They should be grateful for the will be at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb and His Bride by invitation.
Israel is at the Marriage Supper through covenant.

 

[prism]

I did not claim that all without exception would obtain eternal salvation. I am saying that scripture presents the majority of mankind will be the elect who obtain salvation - not just a tiny "remnant" percentage overall.

Matthew 7:13-14 NKJV
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. [14] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Matthew 7:13-14 NKJV
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. [14] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

You are not completing the entire context which this conversation by Christ is sitting in. Those who had not entered that "narrow gate" by the time Christ returned would be saying, "Lord, lord, open to us...We have eaten and drunk in thy presence and thou hast taught in our streets." (Luke 13:24-30). Only the first-century generation of those in Israel could possibly say this. Matthew doesn't mention all of this conversation, but Luke's companion text of this does.

Christ said to the Canaanite woman, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24). Christ had offered the conditions of the New Covenant to His own ethnic people FIRST - of necessity, as Paul had said (Acts 13:46). "To the Jew FIRST, and also to the Greek" (Romans 1:16).

That gospel invitation was rejected by the vast majority of Christ's own people during His earthly ministry and that of the Apostles of the early church. "He came to His own, and His own received Him not." (John 1:11). Isaiah had predicted this mass rejection by the Israelites. Though Israel would be numbered as the sand of the sea, only a "remnant" would be saved (Isaiah 10:22 repeated by Paul in Romans 9:27).

Paul said that "remnant" was then existing at the time he was writing Romans 11:5. "Even so then at this present time there remaineth a remnant according to the election of grace." The majority of ethnic Israel in that generation were blinded, but the remnant of the elect from ethnic Israel had obtained that salvation. That "remnant" designation entering the "narrow gate" was for ethnic Israel of the first century - not for all humanity sum total.

 

[prism]

You are not completing the entire context which this conversation by Christ is sitting in. Those who had not entered that "narrow gate" by the time Christ returned would be saying, "Lord, lord, open to us...We have eaten and drunk in thy presence and thou hast taught in our streets." (Luke 13:24-30). Only the first-century generation of those in Israel could possibly say this. Matthew doesn't mention all of this conversation, but Luke's companion text of this does.

Christ said to the Canaanite woman, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24). Christ had offered the conditions of the New Covenant to His own ethnic people FIRST - of necessity, as Paul had said (Acts 13:46). "To the Jew FIRST, and also to the Greek" (Romans 1:16).

That gospel invitation was rejected by the vast majority of Christ's own people during His earthly ministry and that of the Apostles of the early church. "He came to His own, and His own received Him not." (John 1:11). Isaiah had predicted this mass rejection by the Israelites. Though Israel would be numbered as the sand of the sea, only a "remnant" would be saved (Isaiah 10:22 repeated by Paul in Romans 9:27).

Paul said that "remnant" was then existing at the time he was writing Romans 11:5. "Even so then at this present time there remaineth a remnant according to the election of grace." The majority of ethnic Israel in that generation were blinded, but the remnant of the elect from ethnic Israel had obtained that salvation. That "remnant" designation entering the "narrow gate" was for ethnic Israel of the first century - not for all humanity sum total.

In Mt 7:13, Jesus states there are MANY that enter the way that leads to destruction, He did not say 'many of you', meaning His listeners only. This post above further reveals your 'universalism'. And why only a few Jews, but a majority of Gentiles? ( besides the temporary blindness that God has inflicted upon the Jews Rom 11:25).

 

[3 Resurrections]

In Mt 7:13, Jesus states there are MANY that enter the way that leads to destruction, He did not say 'many of you', meaning His listeners only. This post above further reveals your 'universalism'.

"Many" is not "ALL". I have stated quite clearly that universalism is not what I am presenting. If there were "many" going the way that leads to destruction, that word "many" also applies to those who are children of God as well. This is found in Hebrews 2:10. "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing MANY sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings."

My point is this: if you want to make the "many" entering the way that leads to destruction equal to the majority percentage of all humankind who are ultimately lost, then you have to acknowledge that the very same word "many" as applied to those "MANY sons" being brought unto glory as being equal to the vast majority coming to salvation.

And that is not just a "few Jews" in total compared to a majority of Gentiles. It was only a "remnant" of first-century Israelites of Christ's generation which that was describing. Those categories of Jew and Greek, male and female, bond and free are no longer of any significance under the New Covenant. God phased out segregation by these categories under the New Covenant. All who come to faith from any ethnic background, gender, or social standing whatever are all considered to be "One New Man" in Christ.

 

[prism]

"Many" is not "ALL". I have stated quite clearly that universalism is not what I am presenting. If there were "many" going the way that leads to destruction, that word "many" also applies to those who are children of God as well. This is found in Hebrews 2:10. "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing MANY sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings."

My point is this: if you want to make the "many" entering the way that leads to destruction equal to the majority percentage of all humankind who are ultimately lost, then you have to acknowledge that the very same word "many" as applied to those "MANY sons" being brought unto glory as being equal to the vast majority coming to salvation.

And that is not just a "few Jews" in total compared to a majority of Gentiles. It was only a "remnant" of first-century Israelites of Christ's generation which that was describing. Those categories of Jew and Greek, male and female, bond and free are no longer of any significance under the New Covenant. God phased out segregation by these categories under the New Covenant. All who come to faith from any ethnic background, gender, or social standing whatever are all considered to be "One New Man" in Christ.

Well, Jesus says 'a few will be saved', you say 'many', with or without distinction of ethnicity, I'll leave it at that.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Well, Jesus says 'a few will be saved', you say 'many', with or without distinction of ethnicity, I'll leave it at that.

That was a "few" of Jesus' own generation of Jews, which would be part of the "many" in total from both Jews and Gentiles identified as children of God, from creation to the end of humanity's history.

 

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God is Faithful to the called ones !

Referencing back to the Faithfulness of God in 1 Cor 1:9 in calling some into Faith and Fellowship of the The Lord Jesus Christ, also this Faithfulness of God sanctifies the called wholly to present us blameless at the coming of the Lord.

1 Thess 5:23-24


23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

24Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Notice, Paul prays to the God of Peace for this blessing, the God of Peace is used in Heb 13:20

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

And the blessing He beseeches God for, is that all those called may be preserved blameless until the coming of our Lord. This should be a great blessing for the saints who remain until the coming of the Lord as in 1 Thess 4:15

15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

They have a promise that the God of Peace will preserve them blameless, their outward and inner man..

So in essence, 1 Cor 1:8-9

8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

and 1 Thess 5:23-24

23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

24Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

These affirm the very same Truth, which entirely is depended upon the Faithfulness of God, and nothing else. 2

 

[brightfame52]

More scriptures that indicates a call into Faith !


We have shown how 1 Cor 1:9 denotes a call into Faith by way of a call unto Fellowship..

Another scripture that speaks to the same purpose is Rom 8:30

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Amen, the same them that He called, them He Justified, that is Justified by Faith..

Paul writes how that Abraham heard the Gospel, how that God would Justify the heathen through Faith Gal 3:8

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Rom 5:1

1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:


The same greek prep ek is used, just one translated through faith and the other by Faith..

Nevertheless, the called in Rom 8:30 come to Justification by or through Faith.

Paul uses both in same verse here Rom 3:30

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

But notice again its a work God shall do.

 

[brightfame52]

2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

This calling issues into saving Faith, trusting in Jesus Christ.. Its a Holy Calling too, from a Holy God to a Holy People, made so by being born of the Holy Spirit. 2

 

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The saved are called !

Modern day religionists have had it all wrong, they believe that the call goes out to everyone without exception in regards to getting saved, and then according to ones response, they get saved

But, scripture does not teach that, what scripture affirms is that the saved or the ones being saved are the ones that God calls with the Gospel of their salvation.

They are being saved before being actually called into experiential salvation or conversion, because those Christ died for are saved already by Christ cross work, His blood.

The preaching of the cross is only the power of God unto those who are being saved 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

The word saved here sozo is in the greek a present tense passive participle, meaning they are in a saved state, and they are being saved..and so it is to these that the preaching of the cross is the power of God, not to those who are in a state of perishing.

This same principle is the case in Rom 1:16


16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Its the power of God unto salvation [conversion] to everyone believing it..

That means believing the gospel is a evidence of being in a saved state..

The Gospel call to some brings about a conversion experience, so that we are being saved by the preaching of the gospel. Paul means that when He says this: 1 Cor 4:15

For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Its the verb gennao and means:

in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life, to convert someone

See, gospel regeneration is not here what I mean, but the gospel, to those already regenerated, brings that life to light..Thats conversion..

You see, a saving work by the Holy Ghost must precede the saving work of the gospel, and that work of the Holy Ghost that saves is described here by paul Titus 3:5


5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

This saving is in the past tense, a once and for all saving by one new birth, but the saving by the gospel is a continuous experience, because that new spiritual life will continue to feed of the word of Truth..

And before the saving work of the Holy Ghost is the saving work of Christ work on the cross, which is preceded by Being saved in the Eternal Purpose of the Godhead 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

So it is these , those saved in God's own purpose in Christ, before the world began, who are called by the gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

Who it is that calls upon the name of the Lord ?

Notice that it is written in Joel 2 :30-32


30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered or saved for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

It is written that whosoever [jew or gentile] shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved or delivered, and we see that their is a called remnant to be saved, and it is they [of jew or gentile] that call upon the name of the Lord. 2

 

[brightfame52]

Not Many Called to be saved !

1 Cor 1:24

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.


26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

Now any honest heart can see that not all are called in this regard, or it would not make sense for Paul to say not many wise men or not many mighty men and etc..

This is a particular calling for salvation experience for some..

This called has to do with being chosen as we can see in vs 27

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

In other words, the called in vs 26 are the chosen in vs 27

The chosen of God are called.

 

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Faith and Repentnace the result of the Call for the called !

Almighty God does not call in vain, for He has a purpose for His call to His chosen ones.

Both Repentance and Faith are the manifestations of God's call and Justification of the elect, they are fruits of His election. Faith and repentance are God ordained means through which the Purpose of God in Election is accomplished !

The effectual call results in or effects repentance, thats why Jesus said :

Matt 9:13

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

He came to call sinners to repentance ! Not give them a opportunity or chance to repent, but He calls them[sensible sinners by the Holy Spirit] to repentance !

The word to in the verse is the greek preposition eis and denotes primarily " entrance into "2

The call is continuous resulting in repentance.

Jesus actually called all those the Father gave Him into repentance.

 

[brightfame52]

Called according to Purpose !

Rom 8:28

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

To them who are the called according to purpose !

The Purpose of God, when one who is elect is called, they are Justified by Faith, this is a conscious Justification before their own minds Rom 8:30

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


You see, there is no way around it for them called according to His Purpose, when He calls them, it issues into their Justification by Faith.

This is a call for them to the obtaining of the Glory of Our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 Thess 2:13-14

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

hence thats why it [Glory ] follows after Justified in Rom 8 30. The called in Rom 8 28, 30 are the same as the called in 2 Thess 2 14


In the 2 Thess 2:14 verse, Paul tells them that by the Gospel, they were called into the obtaining

Its the greek word peripoiesis :

a preserving, a preservation

2) possession, one's own property

3) an obtaining

Salvation in its completeness, the whole possession of it..
Thats what the called according to His Purpose are destined to, to be Glorified together with their Head and Saviour.
Also the idea of preserving is in the word, so the called according to the purpose of God, are preserved, unto Glory while they are in the midst of much tribulation. 3

 

[brightfame52]

There is a called according to election..paul writes about it in Rom 9:11,24

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

again vs

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of[out of] the Jews only, but also of[out of] the Gentiles?

These are the called according to His Purpose Rom 8:28

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

What purpose ? Rom 9:11 tells us The purpose of God according to election.

 

[Mr GLee]

There is a called according to election..paul writes about it in Rom 9:11,24

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

again vs

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of[out of] the Jews only, but also of[out of] the Gentiles?

These are the called according to His Purpose Rom 8:28

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

What purpose ? Rom 9:11 tells us The purpose of God according to election.

Same difference. . dying flesh is dying flesh .

 

[brightfame52]

1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

This call, is effectual and it actually calls one out of Darkness ! Notice the small prep out of its the word ek in the greek and it means: out of, from, by, away from

So the meaning is that this call from God effectually brings one out of, from, away from darkness and ushers into the marvelous Light..

This is a call of a People that God calls out for Himself, in order that they may give Him Praise, and Glorify Him for being God, So God is actually Glorifying Himself in Creating a People for His own Glory, for that is what is meant in acts 15:

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

This is the call of the gentiles Rom 9:24

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

These are a People of both jews and gentiles that He creates for His Glory and His Praise Isa 43:7

7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. 3

 

[atpollard]

The called are Israel. Don't confuse covenant Israel with Gentiles of whom God made no covenant.
That seems to be the position of Gentile Christians who usurp and attemt theft of Israel's covenant with God. They attempt to steal Israel's covenant and promises and their salvation and try to make it say, "Salvation is of the Gentiles!" which is a lie.
Israel is God's Chosen people and apple of His eye.
Israel is the Bride of Christ and True Church of God. They hold all the covenants and the promises and salvation for God has given it to them.
God made no covenant with Gentiles. God is merely bringing them in without a covenant.

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Rom. 9:4–5.

Christ was not Promised to Gentiles. They should be grateful for the will be at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb and His Bride by invitation.
Israel is at the Marriage Supper through covenant.

Nope.

I could refute it with scripture, but it would involve posting most of the New Testament (since you ignored it the first time, why would you listen if I retype it).

You are attempting to lift the unfaithful whore bride to a place of special honor and stomp down those washed in the blood of Christ (both the Completed Jews and Gentiles ... all grafted into the True Vine). I call "Balderdash".

"There is no Jew or Greek, slave or free, male and female; since you are all one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28 [CSB]