The Called !

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No, the specific word "remnant" is applied in scripture only to the first-century Jews. A "remnant" is a small fraction taken out of the whole, meaning that only a small fraction of those in Christ's earthly ministry became believers in Him. "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not", John 1:11 tells us. Comparatively speaking, it was only a tiny minority of Jews in Christ's earthly ministry (a "remnant") who believed He was their prophesied Messiah.

This tiny "remnant" of Israel who believed in Christ as their prophesied Messiah during His earthly ministry (as Isaiah foretold) is not descriptive of ALL of recorded humanity in total. You have yet to address why Revelation 7:9 calls that a "great multitude which no man could number" standing in resurrected glory before the throne of God. This is NOT a "remnant" presented there, who came out of every tongue, kindred, people, and all nations.

Again the truth of remnant is there, so God calls out of the entire mass of mankind a remnant to save. Its election of grace. If you dont believe in the remnant according to the election of grace as pointed out in Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Frankly you dont believe in Salvation by Grace at all
Im going to show you another scripture that is about the remnant according to the election of grace, Rev 5:9
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Thats a remnant from out of mankind. They are the chosen/called ones.

 

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Again the truth of remnant is there, so God calls out of the entire mass of mankind a remnant to save.

The truth of the "remnant" is a term specifically applied to first-century Israelites by Paul. Neither you nor I are at liberty to extend that small "remnant" amount from a particular nation's limited time period to the entirety of all mankind in total.

Again, you are not addressing the "great multitude which no man can number" in Revelation 7:9. The word "remnant" is never used in that context. If you add it to the context, you have changed John's meaning entirely. Just because this great multitude was taken "out of" every kindred, people, tongue and nation does not automatically mean that it is a tiny minority percentage. That is an assumption based on your own view, and not on what the context actually says.

Frankly you dont believe in Salvation by Grace at all

I'm really not even sure where you get that idea from what I wrote. Please don't put words in my mouth that I never wrote down.

Im going to show you another scripture that is about the remnant according to the election of grace, Rev 5:9
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Thats a remnant from out of mankind. They are the chosen/called ones.

These singing the "new song" in Revelation 5:9 are the 24 elders before the throne in heaven. Surely you do not assume that the total number of those who inherit salvation is composed of a mere 24 individuals in total. Again, the word "remnant" does not appear in this context either. You are inserting that term where it doesn't belong.

 

[brightfame52]

God calls only a remnant !

That God calls only a remnant is intimated in Joel 2:32

32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

cp Acts 2:38-39

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

These scriptures indicate that God does not call all to obtain eternal salvation, but only His elect, the spiritual seed of Abraham, out of both Jew and Gentile Rom 9:23-24

23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
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That God calls only a remnant is intimated in Joel 2:32

32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Are you not even reading the context of this verse? It says that "in MOUNT ZION" (the OT temple site) "and IN JERUSALEM" is where this "remnant" would be called. This Joel prophecy was particularly revealed to begin at the time of Pentecost at the temple site in AD 33 for that first-century generation in Israel. You are trying to force-fit the "remnant" designation to apply to the entirety of world history and all nations, and it can't be done.

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

These scriptures indicate that God does not call all to obtain eternal salvation, but only His elect, the spiritual seed of Abraham, out of both Jew and Gentile Rom 9:23-24

I did not claim that all without exception would obtain eternal salvation. I am saying that scripture presents the majority of mankind will be the elect who obtain salvation - not just a tiny "remnant" percentage overall.

 

[brightfame52]

Are you not even reading the context of this verse? It says that "in MOUNT ZION" (the OT temple site) "and IN JERUSALEM" is where this "remnant" would be called. This Joel prophecy was particularly revealed to begin at the time of Pentecost at the temple site in AD 33 for that first-century generation in Israel. You are trying to force-fit the "remnant" designation to apply to the entirety of world history and all nations, and it can't be done.

I did not claim that all without exception would obtain eternal salvation. I am saying that scripture presents the majority of mankind will be the elect who obtain salvation - not just a tiny "remnant" percentage overall.

Its a remnant the Lord shall call, and that remnant from out of the jews and gentiles shall call upon the Name of the Lord in a Salvation experience Joel 2:32

32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever[jew or gentile] shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

 

[brightfame52]

Gal 1:15

Gal 1:15

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

An aspect of salvation by grace is to be called by Grace, and as Paul here, all the election of grace [ though by nature children of wrath as others] have been separated from their mother's womb, and as Paul, eventually called by His Grace, His here would probably be the Lord Jesus Christ.

The conversion experience of Paul on the Damascus road was recorded for us [ the elect] as an example or pattern on how we are converted to Christ, called by His grace to believe on Jesus Christ.

1 Tim 1:15-16

15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.


Each and every elect vessel of mercy [Rom 9:23] has their Damascus road conversion call from Jesus Christ, though it may not be exactly as Paul's, it will be as effective.


The call of God in this respect actually converts the elect, causing the one called to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as He is set forth in the Gospel Gal 1:16

16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

This call to the elect, the call of grace actually reveals in them, the Lord Jesus Christ. This is a call sovereignly credited to the Spirit of God Jn 16:14

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

He shall make known Christ to all those He calls by His Grace.

2 Thess 2:14

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Notice, that this call is to the obtaining [possession] of the Glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Its a summons resulting in our obtaining experimentally of the Glory of our Lord. This initially of course produces conversion, which is to the praise of His Glory [ Eph 1:12]

One of the converting effects of this call to Glory is Trusting in Christ. 2

 

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Its a remnant the Lord shall call, and that remnant from out of the jews and gentiles shall call upon the Name of the Lord in a Salvation experience Joel 2:32

32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever[jew or gentile] shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Again, that is an additional "remnant" in this verse who would call on the name of the Lord. "...AND in the remnant whom the Lord shall call." This remnant of believing Jews was also added to "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord".

You are fighting really hard to preserve the idea of just a tiny minority of all humankind in total being chosen. Why is that? Don't you realize that this goes against every symbol Christ gave of the prevailing success of His kingdom in this world? God is not stingy.

 

[brightfame52]

Again, that is an additional "remnant" in this verse who would call on the name of the Lord. "...AND in the remnant whom the Lord shall call." This remnant of believing Jews was also added to "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord".

You are fighting really hard to preserve the idea of just a tiny minority of all humankind in total being chosen. Why is that? Don't you realize that this goes against every symbol Christ gave of the prevailing success of His kingdom in this world? God is not stingy.

Its a remnant the Lord shall call, and that remnant from out of the jews and gentiles shall call upon the Name of the Lord in a Salvation experience Joel 2:32

32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever[jew or gentile] shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

 

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32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever[jew or gentile] shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Do you not know what purpose the conjunction "and" serves in this verse? It is adding something - the "remnant" - to what has already been mentioned. There is no Gentile "remnant" that is ever mentioned in scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

Do you not know what purpose the conjunction "and" serves in this verse? It is adding something - the "remnant" - to what has already been mentioned. There is no Gentile "remnant" that is ever mentioned in scripture.

Yes, but nevertheless:

32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever[jew or gentile] shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

The remnant whom the Lord shall call are the whosoever's, denoting the remnant isn't bound by ethnicity, and yet remnant denotes election, the remnant according to the election of grace.

 

[brightfame52]

@3 Resurrections

There is no Gentile "remnant" that is ever mentioned in scripture.​

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False, I believe I have proved you wrong with that unlearned comment,

Acts 15:17

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

This is about the call of the gentiles, and they're described as a residue of men, which is a remnant

John Gill writes:

That the residue of men might seek after the Lord,.... The rebuilder and proprietor of this tabernacle, and who dwells in it; that is, attend his worship, pray unto him, and seek unto him for life and salvation: in Amos these are called, "the remnant of Edom": and design the remnant according to the election of grace among the Gentiles; the Jews generally call all other nations, and especially the Roman empire, Edom:

And if this verse wasnt written, it still would be true, you are just in the dark

 

[brightfame52]

Calling must be distinct from regeneration or new birth, but they are closely associated in the economy of salvation. The Sovereign and gracious work of the Spirit in regeneration enables the called one to respond in Trust. The Spirit of God, after regeneration operates upon the new man's will, not forcing him, because he is now a new creation with a will bent towards God and heavenly things, whereas prior to new birth, he is opposed to these holy and heavenly things and enslaved to sin and evil continually.

Gen 6:5

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Folks, this is the real deal of everyone born naturally, even to this day. To deny this is pride and arrogance over the word of Truth. but also:

Gen 8:21

21And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

See, no change in mans nature after the flood.

Jer 13:23

23Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

How can one Trust in the Holy Jesus that is accustomed to do evil ?

Jer 17:9

9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Now is this the heart that Paul refers to in Rom 10:9

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Or is Paul speaking of this heart ? Ezk 36:26

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Its no doubt in my mind today, that the heart Paul is referring to in rom 10:9 is the new heart given in ezk 36:26 it is given in regeneration.

Jn 1:5

5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Jn 3:19

19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Men by nature being darkness [ Eph 5:8] loveth darkness, rather than Light, for this is true of every single human being born into this world, to include the elect.

So the regenerated person is made willing, in the day of Gods power [ Ps 110:3] which is the inner working of the Spirit of God !

Zech 4:6

Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

In todays religious world, God the Spirit is greatly dishonored, for the advancement of the damnable heresy of the freewill of man.

The Call addresses the conscious of the renewed man, those who have had their conscious purged by the blood of Christ per Heb 9:14

14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

And it is these [ those with purged conscious by the blood of Christ] that are called Heb 9:15

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.2

 

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The remnant whom the Lord shall call are the whosoever's,

No, it's not. The Jewish "remnant" is in addition to the "whosoever" in this verse.

False, I believe I have proved you wrong with that unlearned comment,

No, you haven't. All you have proved is that you don't understand what the conjunction "AND" means in this Joel 2:32 verse.

Acts 15:17

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

This is about the call of the gentiles, and they're described as a residue of men, which is a remnant

No, the "residue of men" is mentioned as distinct from "all the Gentiles" here. Again, you aren't recognizing the use of the conjunction "AND" in this verse. The "residue of men" (which was the Jewish "remnant") were called in addition to those being called from all the Gentile nations.

Calling must be distinct from regeneration or new birth, but they are closely associated in the economy of salvation. The Sovereign and gracious work of the Spirit in regeneration enables the called one to respond in Trust.

Aside from our disagreement on the "remnant" designation above, you and I seem to be on the same page with this last point; that regeneration/new birth and calling precedes the action of trusting belief by the one called.

 

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No, it's not. The Jewish "remnant" is in addition to the "whosoever" in this verse.

No, you haven't. All you have proved is that you don't understand what the conjunction "AND" means in this Joel 2:32 verse.

No, the "residue of men" is mentioned as distinct from "all the Gentiles" here. Again, you aren't recognizing the use of the conjunction "AND" in this verse. The "residue of men" (which was the Jewish "remnant") were called in addition to those being called from all the Gentile nations.


Aside from our disagreement on the "remnant" designation above, you and I seem to be on the same page with this last point; that regeneration/new birth and calling precedes the action of trusting belief by the one called.

Yes it is, you in denial.

 

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Yes it is, you in denial.

Of course. I deny your interpretations which disregard the simple use of a conjunction in the verses you are bringing up.

Remember, when Christ spoke of the "wheat harvest" with the ungodly "tares" which grew up among the wheat, that was NOT called a "Tares harvest". The bulk of the harvest was the good grain, with a minority of tares that grew up among the harvest. Percentage-wise, those who are called form the majority of the "harvest" - not just a "remnant" overall.

 

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Called into believing on Jesus Christ !

1 Cor 1:9

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Organized religion today has very little to say about God's Faithfulness, but it is His by His Faithfulness to His Son and to His seed, that many are called into believing on the Lord Jesus Christ by way of being called unto the fellowship of Him.

The words " called unto fellowship" can be called into the fellowship of His Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

The word unto is the greek prep eis and primarily means:

into, unto, to, towards, for, among

Called into the sphere of fellowship with Jesus Christ.

Believers have been called [by means of the Faithfulness of God The Father] into the Fellowship of His Son. This is mentioned here in 1 Jn 1:3

3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Now to be called into the sphere of fellowship with the Lord Jesus Christ is to be called into believing in Him, for there can be no fellowship without believing in or Faith in Him.

This called unto or into the Fellowship of Christ is not a offer as those who teach a false gospel may say. They present it as a mere opportunity, and now its up to you to accept or respond to the call.

But scripture here is plain and to the point that some are called into a fellowship with Jesus Christ, by means of the Faithfulness of God the Father. This Fellowship includes Faith or believing in Christ..

Its a effectual call that takes one out of darkness into the marvelous light 1 Pet 2:9

9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 2

 

[JIM]

In Romans 8:28 Paul said that those who are called are those who love God.

 

[brightfame52]

In Romans 8:28 Paul said that those who are called are those who love God.

They are, whose denying that ? Post 36 did you understand it ? Lets discuss it

 

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Double post

 

[JIM]

They are, whose denying that ? Post 36 did you understand it ? Lets discuss it

It is those who love God that are called. Loving God is the prerequisite to being called, not vice versa.