The antichristian Church

[Carbon]

The Roman Catholic Church maintains that the Lord Jesus had appointed Peter to be the general head of the Church upon earth; that Peter established his chair in Rome; and that he had been the general bishop there for 25 years.
The (Protestant) Christian church declares the pope is neither the head of the church nor the successor of Peter, and much of the church claims he is antichrist.
The RCC insists that Christ governs his church by means of a vice regent, that is, the pope, and that this vice regent governs all matters.

There are other establishments and or leaders who other Christians believe are the antichrist. Myself and @David1701 tend towards believing the antichrist is the Pope of Rome. Personally, I'm not 100% convinced, but I lean heavily in that direction. My plan here is to show how the Pope of Rome so much resembles what scripture teaches on the antichrist, so closely in fact it seems it is actually writing on the pope.
@David1701, I hope you don't mind me mentioning you in this? If you are interested, I look forward to what you have to say concerning this.

My prayer on this is, Lord willing, there may be some Catholics who follow along here and reason these things out with God's word. I pray you will come out of her.

 

[Carbon]

To start out, I would like to mention, there is not one single word, verse, or passage in all of scripture which states that supreme authority in the church has been or would be vested in one person. This is something to seriously consider.

Matter of fact, all the apostles were equally and in like manner qualified for their office on the day of Pentecost.
When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. 2 And suddenly a noise like a violent rushing wind came from heaven, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 And tongues that looked like fire appeared to them, distributing themselves, and a tongue rested on each one of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with different tongues, as the Spirit was giving them the ability to speak out. Acts 2:1-4.

Peter did not distinguish himself higher than the others, calling himself a fellow elder,
Therefore, I urge elders among you, as your fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and one who is also a fellow partaker of the glory that is to be revealed: 1 Peter 5:1.

 

[David1701]

The Roman Catholic Church maintains that the Lord Jesus had appointed Peter to be the general head of the Church upon earth; that Peter established his chair in Rome; and that he had been the general bishop there for 25 years.
The (Protestant) Christian church declares the pope is neither the head of the church nor the successor of Peter, and much of the church claims he is antichrist.
The RCC insists that Christ governs his church by means of a vice regent, that is, the pope, and that this vice regent governs all matters.

There are other establishments and or leaders who other Christians believe are the antichrist. Myself and @David1701 tend towards believing the antichrist is the Pope of Rome. Personally, I'm not 100% convinced, but I lean heavily in that direction. My plan here is to show how the Pope of Rome so much resembles what scripture teaches on the antichrist, so closely in fact it seems it is actually writing on the pope.
@David1701, I hope you don't mind me mentioning you in this? If you are interested, I look forward to what you have to say concerning this.

My prayer on this is, Lord willing, there may be some Catholics who follow along here and reason these things out with God's word. I pray you will come out of her.

No, I don't mind you mentioning me re. this; and I agree with your hope that Catholics will come out of her and believe the real gospel.

 

[Hazelelponi]

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[Arial]

The Pope at least is an anti-Christ---so the office of Pope is anti-Christ. And the Catholic religion is anti-Christ. And for the simple reason that the Pope takes for himself what belongs to Christ. Christ is the head of his church. He sets himself above God's word, to be the official interpreter of that word. And though it is claimed that the Pope is not infallible, he is considered as, and treated as, infallible. He claims the name the belongs only to God----Holy Father.

The hierarchy of the CC claims to be the only ones who can bring salvation to people through their traditions and their religion. Taking the place of the Holy Spirit. They claim to be the only ones who can mediate between God and the sinner with their offices and their traditions. Again taking the place of Christ as the only mediator between God and man.

 

[Eleanor]

The Pope at least is an anti-Christ---so the office of Pope is anti-Christ. And the Catholic religion is anti-Christ. And for the simple reason that the Pope takes for himself what belongs to Christ. Christ is the head of his church. He sets himself above God's word, to be the official interpreter of that word. And
though it is claimed that the Pope is not infallible, he is considered as, and treated as, infallible. He claims the name the belongs only to God----Holy Father.

I think they maintain that the Pope is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra regarding doctrine.

The hierarchy of the CC claims to be the only ones who can bring salvation to people through their traditions and their religion. Taking the place of the Holy Spirit. They claim to be the only ones who can mediate between God and the sinner with their offices and their traditions. Again taking the place of Christ as the only mediator between God and man.

 

[Carbon]

I think they maintain that the Pope is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra regarding doctrine.

Exactly. Many protestants mess up here as they claim, when debating Catholics, that the pope is infallible. But the RCC never makes such a claim. But they do claim he is infallible in matters of faith and morals when he speaks ex cathedra.

 

[Carbon]

Well, there is all sorts of stuff about the antichrist in scripture, which sure does seem to be the RC system and her pope.
A few examples.

Scripture seems to teach that the seat of his residence would be in Rome.
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who sits on many waters, Rev 17:1.
It is confirmed that this refers to the Antichrist and in verse 9, his seat is identified. Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains upon which the woman sits, :9.

Here is an old writing about Rome.
Rome, the territory of the gods, which overlooks the entire earth from seven hills.
Look at a map, and you can see Rome is surrounded by 7 hills.

 

[Eleanor]

Well, there is all sorts of stuff about the antichrist in scripture, which sure does seem to be the RC system and her pope.
A few examples.
Scripture seems to teach that the seat of his residence would be in Rome.
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who sits on many waters, Rev 17:1.
It is confirmed that this refers to the Antichrist and in verse 9, his seat is identified. Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains upon which the woman sits, :9.

Here is an old writing about Rome.
Rome, the territory of the gods, which overlooks the entire earth from seven hills.
Look at a map, and you can see Rome is surrounded by 7 hills.

Is that the only place we find seven hills?

And is it hills or mountains we are looking for?

 

[Carbon]

Is that the only place we find seven hills?

And is it hills or mountains we are looking for?

I'm not sure about that. But I do know there has been ancient writings about it, and considering scripture and passages pointing to the pope, I don't think that there would be another city surrounded by 7 hills, that would match up so well.

Curious, are you aware of another city?

 

[Eleanor]

I'm not sure about that. But I do know there has been ancient writings about it, and considering scripture and passages pointing to the pope, I don't think that there would be another city surrounded by 7 hills, that would match up so well.

Curious, are you aware of another city?

No, I don't spend any time in prophecy, but I do measure interpretation of it by NT teaching.

 

[Carbon]

No, I don't spend any time in prophecy, but I do measure interpretation of it by NT teaching.

There are so many more interesting things I'll be sharing that I can't help but believe pertain to the pope.

 

[David1701]

Is that the only place we find seven hills?

And is it hills or mountains we are looking for?

Rome is the only city that is famous, worldwide, for being "the city on seven hills".

Edit: even the Roman Catholics admit that it refers to Rome, but they make it pagan Rome, and not papal Rome.

 

[makesends]

Is that the only place we find seven hills?

And is it hills or mountains we are looking for?

I agree. The situation does come to mind, but is not proof.

 

[Carbon]

Well, there is all sorts of stuff about the antichrist in scripture, which sure does seem to be the RC system and her pope.
A few examples.

Scripture seems to teach that the seat of his residence would be in Rome.
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who sits on many waters, Rev 17:1.
It is confirmed that this refers to the Antichrist and in verse 9, his seat is identified. Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains upon which the woman sits, :9.

Here is an old writing about Rome.
Rome, the territory of the gods, which overlooks the entire earth from seven hills.
Look at a map, and you can see Rome is surrounded by 7 hills.

And according to verses 10 and 11, he would succeed the emperor in this territory.
10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. 11The beast which was, and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction. Revelation 17.

The seven heads refer to the sevenfold manner of government in Rome. 5 forms of government had already run their course during the time of John. The 6th, consisting of the rule of the emperors, was in place at the time, after which the 7th would follow. However, none but the pope (yep, the pope) has succeeded the emperors in governing Rome.

 

[Carbon]

I agree. The situation does come to mind, but is not proof.

Rome is often referred to as the "City of Seven Hills" and is indeed situated on seven distinct hills. These hills are not mountains, but rather gently sloping elevations.
The seven hills are: Aventine, Caelian, Capitoline, Esquiline, Palatine, Quirinal, and Viminal. These hills formed the basis for the early settlements and growth of Rome.

GOOGLE

 

[Carbon]

And according to verses 10 and 11, he would succeed the emperor in this territory.
10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. 11The beast which was, and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction. Revelation 17.

The seven heads refer to the sevenfold manner of government in Rome. 5 forms of government had already run their course during the time of John. The 6th, consisting of the rule of the emperors, was in place at the time, after which the 7th would follow. However, none but the pope (yep, the pope) has succeeded the emperors in governing Rome.

He whose name would constitute the number 666 would ascend the throne upon the destruction of the empire. And 10 kings would simultaneously receive power to govern with him. The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour. Rev 17:12. All this transpired between 500 and 600 A.D.

 

[Carbon]

And this person would again introduce pagan idolatry and the worship of images.
https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/REV.13.3-4,11-12,15
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Rev 13:3

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 12-15.

The pagan empire received a mortal wound from Constantine the Great, who eliminated idolatry. This, however, was restored by the 7th head, the pope, by reintroducing idolatry and the worship of images.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Rome is often referred to as the "City of Seven Hills" and is indeed situated on seven distinct hills. These hills are not mountains, but rather gently sloping elevations.
The seven hills are: Aventine, Caelian, Capitoline, Esquiline, Palatine, Quirinal, and Viminal. These hills formed the basis for the early settlements and growth of Rome.

GOOGLE

There's 3.

3 cities on 7 hills - Jerusalem, Rome, and oddly, Washington DC.

There's also 1 whore riding one of the two beasts, 1 beast from the earth, and the other is the sea beast (sea beast is the Mediterranean Sea, rising of the people who surround the Mediterranean)

The whore from her representiion are the unfaithful who come out from faithful (you can't cheat on a husband you never married to, so she represents the unfaithful covenant people)

How we view the Catholics depends on whether we think she was ever faithful or ever in covenant with God?

Is she started faithful then we have to view her as New Covenant whore, whereas if she didn't begin faithfully then she might be better viewed as the false prophet/sea beast ..

Beasts are political entities with a false prophet from my reading.

 

[Carbon]

It just keeps getting worse.
He whose name would be expressed by 666 would be worshipped and receive superhuman honor

they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?” Rev 13:4.

Who else is carried around like a god, Who else but the pope is called lord god?