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1000 years of Revelation 20.

Eschatology does matter because, at the end of the day, how a person believes the world will end has (or should have) an influence on how s/he lives life today; perhaps even a great deal of influence.

We have a large swath of Christendom, the modern futurists, telling everyone the world is going to hell in a hand basket any day now. Five problems have arisen from that eschatology. The first is that few if any of them actually act as if what they believe is true and they, then, prove themselves hypocrites. Scripture has a great deal to say about hypocrites and hypocrisy in the Church. None of it is good. The second problems is the subjugation of God's word to the latest newscast. Scripture is reinterpreted on a nearly daily basis and every is told this event or that event is a sign or the fulfillment of some prophecy. The net result is a third problem but few if any of them ever realize the problem in methodology that begets the problem in content. The third problem is that due to subjugating scripture to history (instead of the other way around), predictions are made but none of them ever happen. When this uniform failure is observed by a non-futurist more twisting of scripture ensues. The fourth problem is the bad witness this bears. Outsiders observe this mess of hypocrisy and false prognosticative teaching and eschew all interest in the gospel. Christians are mocked, even the ones who do not subscribe to modern futurism. Fifth, there is no accountability. This has been going on for 200 years but no one inside modern futurism does anything about any of the above.

What we believe about the future can have enormous effect on the now.

This does not happen with any other eschatology. It does not happen with anything close to the same frequency or severity in any other viewpoint. Amillennialism and Idealism may foment ambiguity where futurism fosters confidence in falsehood but that is not nearly as egregious as the problems listed above. Postmillennialism may be overly optimistic, lend itself to unsavory confidence in human works, or risk conflating religion and politics where the other viewpoints do not but, again, these concerns are nowhere near is egregious as the problems found in the way modern futurism influences a Christian's now.

In the end we will be fine, but that condition is a product of divine grace and sustenance, not anything commendable on our part. Consider how the following verses apply to eschatological thought, doctrine and practice...

1 Corinthians 3:11-15
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For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. 14If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

There are two boards in this forum where nearly every op will burn up, leaving the author charred, covered in soot, and empty-handed ☹️. Similar boards exist in almost all Christian internet forum 😯. In the end, we will be saved but that doesn't change the fact eschatology influences who we live now.

And I won't comment on the verse that follows this passage and how a certain portion of Christendom lets their eschatological interpretation of that verse influence their life today 😒.
Eschatology matters; because the Bible matters. My point is the endgame is the same, that influences me...
 
Perhaps I should qualify my Comment to say that I believe the Old Covenant has passed away for good. If I liked Premillennial Dispensationalism, it would be different; excluding all that Jewish stuff...

Kind of like my Calvinism; it's a little different...
Dispensationalism is focused on all that "Jewish stuff". ;)
 
That isn't necessarily true. A one Redeemer, two peoples, two redemptions can change soteriology. And one certainly takes the eyes off Jesus and puts them squarely on national Israel. One elevates Jews and by extension Judaism (for it is the same thing Judaism proclaimed in Jesus' day, during the apostolic era, and still today. Is in fact why they rejected/reject Jesus.) above Gentile believers. And one presents two covenants and two people of God. (And all those things are the same "one".) In Dispensationalism Jesus is not the central figure, the subject of our Scripture, until the NT. To that eschatology It begins with national Israel, takes a break to present Christ, and ends with national Israel again. A circle, not a straight line towards the goal.

Scripture is not laid out that way. In Gen 3:15 the serpent is cursed a God makes a promise. From the seed of the woman, one will be born, and the serpent will bruise his heel, but he will crush the serpent's head. (We see him do that first on the cross while Jesus gathers his people, and in Revelation where he is cast into the fiery pit.

From that verse forward it is one story---the historic outplaying of redemption progressing through our world and time. God's covenant with Israel is important. It is a means to an end, but it is always Christ front and center.
This is a little long, but the first few paragraphs deal with a single theme. The rest is the conclusion.

Please consider what Jesus Himself said. When the Syro-Canaanite woman came to Jesus crying out to Him, Lord, son of David, Jesus did not respond. A quick background for Jesus is that He spoke with Gentiles often. He treated them differently from the Jews. For instance, if a Gentile came and asked for healing, Jesus did not require anything from them. For the Jews, He started His ministry without requiring anything other than the request, but then He changed. He required belief. He didn't change His stance towards the Gentiles. And then, He changed again, and would take the person being healed away from the crowds and heal them in private. Again, that didn't happen for the Gentiles. Jesus healed them when they asked.

Then we have the Gentile woman (Syro-Canaanite probably) who came to Jesus for her daughter. She addressed Him as Lord, son of David, which is Jesus Messianic title. He would not respond. We find out from His reaction to the disciples, that it was because she addressed Him as Messiah. Jesus is not the Messiah of the Gentiles. (Messiah means King, not Savior). The disciples asked Him to make her be quiet. That wasn't what Jesus was going for, so He basically told the disciples why He didn't reply. He said that He was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He was speaking of His Messianic mission. She responded by addressing Him without the Messianic title, simply as Lord, and He responded with an interesting response. He compared Gentiles to dogs. Not mangy mutts, but puppy dogs, like the family pet. So a stratification of peoples. Jews are the master's of the house, and the Gentiles are like the family pets.

Jesus simply says that it is wrong to throw the children's bread (how God saw the Jews) to the dogs (family pets). The children's bread is for the children. This is, again, dealing with Jesus Messianic role in history. The woman responds and says that the dogs (family pets) eat of the crumbs that fall from the table. That speaks to the universality of the gospel and salvation. While Jesus Messianic role was isolated to Israel and the Jews, He served as the Savior of the whole world. This is perfectly in line with Paul's salvation is first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. It speaks to priority. Do note that this means that judgment is first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. Wrath is first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. It covers everything.

We speak to the final redemption of Israel because it is an extinction level event. Non-believing Jews go extinct because all the Jews still alive at Jesus second coming are saved. Paul speaks to this level of redemption as being akin to life from the dead, a supreme miracle. Again, for your consideration, this is all solely due to the fact that God has a history with Israel that goes all the way back to Abraham through Moses, and ultimately Isaac. (Moses brought up for the Mosaic covenant.) So, all the prophecies of the Old Testament point to a future point where the Messiah conquers the enemies of Israel, and then redeems His people in the same way that He redeemed Paul. He came to Paul on the way to Damascus, and He will come to His elect chosen remnant at Jerusalem, and the faith by which one is saved by grace is seen in the people's recognition of exactly who Jesus is. They mourn in a way that is akin to one mourning the loss of a child. (And that runs deep. Our grandfather would still cry every now and then thinking of his daughter who died way to young.) They are completely broken in their regeneration, which leads to faith, which by grace saves them.

Pay attention to the heart of Paul. If you consider the depth of emotion for him, he knew redemption would come, but his desire to see it happen, his desire to see ALL Israel saved simply because he too was a Jew, was so strong that he would see himself damned to hell if it meant the salvation of all his countrymen. He knew there was a final time of reckoning coming for Israel, due to all the history they have with God (that Gentiles do not), and knew that many would be lost. He truly had a heart of love for all his countrymen.
 
This is a little long, but the first few paragraphs deal with a single theme. The rest is the conclusion.

Please consider what Jesus Himself said. When the Syro-Canaanite woman came to Jesus crying out to Him, Lord, son of David, Jesus did not respond. A quick background for Jesus is that He spoke with Gentiles often. He treated them differently from the Jews. For instance, if a Gentile came and asked for healing, Jesus did not require anything from them. For the Jews, He started His ministry without requiring anything other than the request, but then He changed. He required belief. He didn't change His stance towards the Gentiles. And then, He changed again, and would take the person being healed away from the crowds and heal them in private. Again, that didn't happen for the Gentiles. Jesus healed them when they asked.

Then we have the Gentile woman (Syro-Canaanite probably) who came to Jesus for her daughter. She addressed Him as Lord, son of David, which is Jesus Messianic title. He would not respond. We find out from His reaction to the disciples, that it was because she addressed Him as Messiah. Jesus is not the Messiah of the Gentiles. (Messiah means King, not Savior). The disciples asked Him to make her be quiet. That wasn't what Jesus was going for, so He basically told the disciples why He didn't reply. He said that He was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He was speaking of His Messianic mission. She responded by addressing Him without the Messianic title, simply as Lord, and He responded with an interesting response. He compared Gentiles to dogs. Not mangy mutts, but puppy dogs, like the family pet. So a stratification of peoples. Jews are the master's of the house, and the Gentiles are like the family pets.

Jesus simply says that it is wrong to throw the children's bread (how God saw the Jews) to the dogs (family pets). The children's bread is for the children. This is, again, dealing with Jesus Messianic role in history. The woman responds and says that the dogs (family pets) eat of the crumbs that fall from the table. That speaks to the universality of the gospel and salvation. While Jesus Messianic role was isolated to Israel and the Jews, He served as the Savior of the whole world. This is perfectly in line with Paul's salvation is first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. It speaks to priority. Do note that this means that judgment is first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. Wrath is first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. It covers everything.

We speak to the final redemption of Israel because it is an extinction level event. Non-believing Jews go extinct because all the Jews still alive at Jesus second coming are saved. Paul speaks to this level of redemption as being akin to life from the dead, a supreme miracle. Again, for your consideration, this is all solely due to the fact that God has a history with Israel that goes all the way back to Abraham through Moses, and ultimately Isaac. (Moses brought up for the Mosaic covenant.) So, all the prophecies of the Old Testament point to a future point where the Messiah conquers the enemies of Israel, and then redeems His people in the same way that He redeemed Paul. He came to Paul on the way to Damascus, and He will come to His elect chosen remnant at Jerusalem, and the faith by which one is saved by grace is seen in the people's recognition of exactly who Jesus is. They mourn in a way that is akin to one mourning the loss of a child. (And that runs deep. Our grandfather would still cry every now and then thinking of his daughter who died way to young.) They are completely broken in their regeneration, which leads to faith, which by grace saves them.

Pay attention to the heart of Paul. If you consider the depth of emotion for him, he knew redemption would come, but his desire to see it happen, his desire to see ALL Israel saved simply because he too was a Jew, was so strong that he would see himself damned to hell if it meant the salvation of all his countrymen. He knew there was a final time of reckoning coming for Israel, due to all the history they have with God (that Gentiles do not), and knew that many would be lost. He truly had a heart of love for all his countrymen.
You just demonstrated everything I said in the first paragraph of my post. Two peoples of God. Ethnicity and land prioritized. Focus on (eyes/heart) on national/ ethnic Israel instead of Christ. Separating the OT from its place in the Covenant of Redemption and severing its purpose from the story of redemption that is our Bible.
 
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Please consider what Jesus Himself said. When the Syro-Canaanite woman came to Jesus crying out to Him, Lord, son of David, Jesus did not respond. A quick background for Jesus is that He spoke with Gentiles often. He treated them differently from the Jews. For instance, if a Gentile came and asked for healing, Jesus did not require anything from them. For the Jews, He started His ministry without requiring anything other than the request, but then He changed. He required belief. He didn't change His stance towards the Gentiles. And then, He changed again, and would take the person being healed away from the crowds and heal them in private. Again, that didn't happen for the Gentiles. Jesus healed them when they asked.
That is exegetically selective using a passage but leaving out its conclusion i.e. the Canaanite woman. The conclusion is Jesus saying to her,"O woman, great is your faith!"

The passage does not teach different standards of salvation for Jews vs. Gentiles. It demonstrates the priority of Israel in redemptive history and the inclusion of Gentiles through faith. One forward flowing redemption.

It is factually incorrect about faith and healing patterns. What actually governs the narratives is not ethnicity but faith that is often present and sometimes implicit, compassion and divine initiative, the revelatory purpose of the miracle. There is no consistent ethnic-based rule such as you present.

Your statement is theologically confused. It mistakes redemptive-historical priority for ontological difference. It does not successfully challenge my core claim, and it does not establish its own.
 
Jesus simply says that it is wrong to throw the children's bread (how God saw the Jews) to the dogs (family pets). The children's bread is for the children. This is, again, dealing with Jesus Messianic role in history. The woman responds and says that the dogs (family pets) eat of the crumbs that fall from the table. That speaks to the universality of the gospel and salvation. While Jesus Messianic role was isolated to Israel and the Jews, He served as the Savior of the whole world. This is perfectly in line with Paul's salvation is first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. It speaks to priority. Do note that this means that judgment is first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. Wrath is first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. It covers everything.
Your claim that the account of the "children's bread" (Matt 15:21-28 reflects Jesus' messianic role is historically directed to Israel is valid. And regarding the "crumbs" and the "little dogs", if when you say it speaks of the "universality of the gospel" you mean the overflow of grace to the Gentiles you are partly correct, and would be completely correct except for the fact that you are overreaching and smuggling in a conclusion that the text does not require.

What Jesus' commendation to the woman "great is your faith" shows Gentiles are not excluded and faith, not ethnicity, is decisive. The "two peoples" being dealt with separately and in different ways that your post presents is not in the text. It assumes that "first to Israel" makes a separation in redemption. It is the gospel that comes to Israel first, in order (sequence) not redemption itself. IOW, Matt 15 is not a division. And it most definitely is not "Jesus' Messianic role isolated to Israel". His earthly ministry was focused on Israel, but his messianic identity and mission were never limited to Israel.

"Judgment is first to the Jew---wrath is first to the Jew---it covers everything" is an overgeneralization and a misuse of Romans 2:9 which is context-specific (judgement according to works), not a universal structuring principle for all theology. There is no consistent biblical pattern where every divine action is always "Jew first, then Gentile".


Even within the Gospels the Magi (Gentiles) worship him (Matt 2). The centurion's faith is praised (Matt 8). He predicts Gentiles joining the kingdom (matt 8:11). "Isolated" suggests exclusion but the NT presents priority-with-intended-expansion.
 
Your claim that the account of the "children's bread" (Matt 15:21-28 reflects Jesus' messianic role is historically directed to Israel is valid. And regarding the "crumbs" and the "little dogs", if when you say it speaks of the "universality of the gospel" you mean the overflow of grace to the Gentiles you are partly correct, and would be completely correct except for the fact that you are overreaching and smuggling in a conclusion that the text does not require.

What Jesus' commendation to the woman "great is your faith" shows Gentiles are not excluded and faith, not ethnicity, is decisive. The "two peoples" being dealt with separately and in different ways that your post presents is not in the text. It assumes that "first to Israel" makes a separation in redemption. It is the gospel that comes to Israel first, in order (sequence) not redemption itself. IOW, Matt 15 is not a division. And it most definitely is not "Jesus' Messianic role isolated to Israel". His earthly ministry was focused on Israel, but his messianic identity and mission were never limited to Israel.

"Judgment is first to the Jew---wrath is first to the Jew---it covers everything" is an overgeneralization and a misuse of Romans 2:9 which is context-specific (judgement according to works), not a universal structuring principle for all theology. There is no consistent biblical pattern where every divine action is always "Jew first, then Gentile".


Even within the Gospels the Magi (Gentiles) worship him (Matt 2). The centurion's faith is praised (Matt 8). He predicts Gentiles joining the kingdom (matt 8:11). "Isolated" suggests exclusion but the NT presents priority-with-intended-expansion.
Ignoring, for the purpose of the conversation, the implications drawn that are quite a bit less than explicit in the narrative, Jesus' wordplay regarding ethnicity is for the woman's and audience's (and our) benefit. He was drawing on what faith is about--that is, the total need for mercy and not ethnic status as God's chosen (and, ethnicity irrelevant, in our case, status as God's Elect.) Jew or Gentile, our dependence is entirely on God's Grace alone. THAT is what Jesus makes obvious for those who will hear.
 
We speak to the final redemption of Israel because it is an extinction level event. Non-believing Jews go extinct because all the Jews still alive at Jesus second coming are saved. Paul speaks to this level of redemption as being akin to life from the dead, a supreme miracle. Again, for your consideration, this is all solely due to the fact that God has a history with Israel that goes all the way back to Abraham through Moses, and ultimately Isaac. (Moses brought up for the Mosaic covenant.) So, all the prophecies of the Old Testament point to a future point where the Messiah conquers the enemies of Israel, and then redeems His people in the same way that He redeemed Paul.
Your argument depends on Large-scale future salvation of Jews, therefore, distinct redemptive status for Isrrael. That does not follow logically. A large future conversion could just as easily mean that many Jews are brought into the same body, the same salvation, the same covenant reality. Which is exactly what Paul emphasizes (Romans 11:17-24).

As to the disturbing use of the word "extinct". Extinction implies a removal of an entire class of people. Paul is speaking about the removal of unbelief through faith, not the elimination of a group. Even if one holds to a large future conversion of Jews, that is very different from describing it as an extinction-level event. That language is beyond disturbing, is not contained within Paul's letter, and introduces a category that the text does not use and risks distorting what Paul is saying.

Your appeal to "all the prophecies...point to a future where Messiah redeems Israel" is presuppositional. The NT interprets those OT prophecies of restoration, victory over enemies, and covenant renewal, as fulfilled through Christ; inclusion of the Gentiles; formation of a unified people Acts 15:14-17).

Your argument turns all Isrrael into every individual Jew alive. Turns life from the dead into a totalized eschatological event. Uses covenant history to imply guaranteed ethnic salvation. Moves from future inclusion to equal separate redemptive identity.
 
1000 year reigning and ruling of Jesus after Second Coming event

Eschatology matters; because the Bible matters. My point is the endgame is the same, that influences me...
The literal 1000 year reign is what the bible teaches. Six times in Rev. 20:2-7, the millennial kingdom is specifically said to be 1,000 years in length.

Escatology does matter....
Currently we are in the Matt 24 "wars and rumors of war".....and soon to be in the famine stage mentioned next. Events such as the closing of the Strait of Hormuz is an early step of acheiving this. Oil has been reduced world wide effecting some countries more than others... as well as nitrogen for fertilizer made from the natural gas.
There is a whole list of other things on the docket for causing famine.

The and the pretribulation and subsequent premillennialism view is the correct biblical interpretation. All other views are not biblcal.

Jesus returns twice. The first time (in the air) is at the soon to happen rapture just prior to the beginning of the tribulation. The second time is just prior to the 1,000 year reign of Christ Jesus when He returns on the white horse mentioned in Rev. 19:11 and onward.

We can know there is a pretrib rapture because Jesus says when He returns it will be like the days of Noah and Lot. The accounts presented show a "good" times occuring on earth. People are partying, marrying and so on.
If the days of Noah and Lot happen at the end of the tribulation then the discription Jesus presents is nothing like life will be on earth at that time.
There's even current discussion concerning transhumanism as well as hybrids like mentioned in Gen 6....but that's another topic.

Secondly in Acts 1 the two angels tells the men Jesus will return just like He left. It should be obvious Jesus didn't leave riding a white horse...literally or symbolically. The description of how Jesus returns at the 2nd coming is on a white horse when He will split the Mt. of Olives.

To add to the first two points....In several places the bible mentions the wrath of the tribulation is not meant for His bride. The Church isn't destined for wrath. The Church is in hevaven for the Marrage Supper of the lamb.

NONE of Revelations 6 and onward has happened yet as the preterist like to claim as events such as what happens in Rev 8 have not occurred yet.

The Church isn't mentioned after Rev 5.

Currently technology is at the point where Rev 13 can happen. Up to recent times the earth has not had the ability for that to occur.

The famine will lead to a one world government...CBDC (central bank digital currency)...Universal basic income...increased survelience, data centers...and other Rev 13 controlling technology.

When Jesus returns at the rapture the restrainer....christians...will be removed and open the world up to an exponential level of Satanic activity.

There will be some sort of ratified peace treaty for Israel.
There will be a 3rd Temple built that the antichrist will declare himself as God.

UFO disclosure is a very hot item...part the deception will be when the "aliens" arrive they will tells us that they started life nd tweaked life on earth. They will say God isn't real and Gen 1-2 and the fall of Gen 3 never happened.
Those left behind will be told the "christians" were taken by. them....or perhaps the New Age version where the negative christians were removed....or both.

If you google April 13, 2029 you will see articles concerning the asteroid Apophis...Rev 8 has a very potential account of this event. If this interpretation is correct the world will be in the tribulation on Friday April 13th 2029....and the rapture will have happened.

During the tribulation God will bring the Jewish people back to Him when they understand Jesus is the Savior.... 2/3rds of the Jews will not believe.

Considering the above will happen soon, what should the christians be doing? Looking up and spreading the Gospel.

Those christians who post here and disagree with what I wrote....will be extremely happy when the pretribulation rapture occurs.
 
The literal 1000 year reign is what the bible teaches. Six times in Rev. 20:2-7, the millennial kingdom is specifically said to be 1,000 years in length.

Escatology does matter....
Currently we are in the Matt 24 "wars and rumors of war".....and soon to be in the famine stage mentioned next. Events such as the closing of the Strait of Hormuz is an early step of acheiving this. Oil has been reduced world wide effecting some countries more than others... as well as nitrogen for fertilizer made from the natural gas.
There is a whole list of other things on the docket for causing famine.

The and the pretribulation and subsequent premillennialism view is the correct biblical interpretation. All other views are not biblcal.

Jesus returns twice. The first time (in the air) is at the soon to happen rapture just prior to the beginning of the tribulation. The second time is just prior to the 1,000 year reign of Christ Jesus when He returns on the white horse mentioned in Rev. 19:11 and onward.

We can know there is a pretrib rapture because Jesus says when He returns it will be like the days of Noah and Lot. The accounts presented show a "good" times occuring on earth. People are partying, marrying and so on.
If the days of Noah and Lot happen at the end of the tribulation then the discription Jesus presents is nothing like life will be on earth at that time.
There's even current discussion concerning transhumanism as well as hybrids like mentioned in Gen 6....but that's another topic.

Secondly in Acts 1 the two angels tells the men Jesus will return just like He left. It should be obvious Jesus didn't leave riding a white horse...literally or symbolically. The description of how Jesus returns at the 2nd coming is on a white horse when He will split the Mt. of Olives.

To add to the first two points....In several places the bible mentions the wrath of the tribulation is not meant for His bride. The Church isn't destined for wrath. The Church is in hevaven for the Marrage Supper of the lamb.

NONE of Revelations 6 and onward has happened yet as the preterist like to claim as events such as what happens in Rev 8 have not occurred yet.

The Church isn't mentioned after Rev 5.

Currently technology is at the point where Rev 13 can happen. Up to recent times the earth has not had the ability for that to occur.

The famine will lead to a one world government...CBDC (central bank digital currency)...Universal basic income...increased survelience, data centers...and other Rev 13 controlling technology.

When Jesus returns at the rapture the restrainer....christians...will be removed and open the world up to an exponential level of Satanic activity.

There will be some sort of ratified peace treaty for Israel.
There will be a 3rd Temple built that the antichrist will declare himself as God.

UFO disclosure is a very hot item...part the deception will be when the "aliens" arrive they will tells us that they started life nd tweaked life on earth. They will say God isn't real and Gen 1-2 and the fall of Gen 3 never happened.
Those left behind will be told the "christians" were taken by. them....or perhaps the New Age version where the negative christians were removed....or both.

If you google April 13, 2029 you will see articles concerning the asteroid Apophis...Rev 8 has a very potential account of this event. If this interpretation is correct the world will be in the tribulation on Friday April 13th 2029....and the rapture will have happened.

During the tribulation God will bring the Jewish people back to Him when they understand Jesus is the Savior.... 2/3rds of the Jews will not believe.

Considering the above will happen soon, what should the christians be doing? Looking up and spreading the Gospel.

Those christians who post here and disagree with what I wrote....will be extremely happy when the pretribulation rapture occurs.

There is the thousand year reigning and the thousand year binding, it’s not one because of the other.

Jesus doesn’t reign because satan is bound Jesus reigns because He is God
 
There is the thousand year reigning and the thousand year binding, it’s not one because of the other.

Jesus doesn’t reign because satan is bound Jesus reigns because He is God
It speaks of Jesus reigning on earth.

Jesus reigns as fully MAN and fully God.
As a man Jesus takes back dominion of the earth given away In Gen 6.
Currently Satan is ruling by proxy.
 
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