The 2 Natures in Christ

[Eleanor]

Simply put Yahusha is the one and only Yah Elohim!

Seems the NT apostles taught by Jesus himself disagree with you, as presented in post #214.

 

[Eleanor]

What I am about to say demands that one not rush to a conclusion after reading it.
For preconceived ideas and concepts are what usually causes a rushing to decide.
now.....
God setting forth The Son while He was functioning in His human nature (as demonstrating his ability to do so in the Incarnation)..
By having all creation being created specifically through Him?
Created while manifested Himself in the same manner as His soul functioned in the Incarnation?
Is what enabled God to create us all without interfering with our volition!

Where do we find in Scripture that "God does not interfere with our volition"?
That is a notion of man, not of God's word.

 

[Eleanor]

Eternal God is supernatural without nature beginning (not born ) He has no mother or father beginning of days or end of Life

Hebrews 7:3-5 Young's Literal Translation without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, and being made like to the Son of God, doth remain a priest continually. And see how great this one [is], to whom also a tenth Abraham the patriarch did give out of the best of the spoils, and those, indeed, out of the sons of Levi receiving the priesthood, a command have to take tithes from the people according to the law, that is, their brethren, even though they came forth out of the loins of Abraham;

God is not man

God (the Word, Jn 1:1) became man (flesh) in Jesus of Nazareth (Jn 1:14).

as us. Never was, never could become a creation.

He became man in Jesus of Nazareth, not as us (sinful), but as Adam (sinless). He was the second Adam (1 Co 15:45-49), and he did not sin.

 

[Mr GLee]

God (the Word, Jn 1:1) became man (flesh) in Jesus of Nazareth (Jn 1:14).

He became man in Jesus of Nazareth, not as us (sinful), but as Adam (sinless). He was the second Adam (1 Co 15:45-49), and he did not sin.

The Faithful Creator that works in the sons of men (unredeemed mankind) in order to produce born again sons of God.

God is not a created being. He is a lifesaving invisible Holy Spirit

It is the goal of Lucifer "the false light" who was to protect the glory of God's creation the light of the world from false pride, he usurped the glory and became the father of lies. He would have mankind believe he is the Creator as the god of this world. Looking to lust after with. The two false pride builders . .flesh and eyes .

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world


As a false creator three times with three denoting the end of a matter Lucifer the false light tried to command Jesus the son of man to take stones and create bread. The father gave Jesus the prophet apostle words to rebuke Satan " as it is written" (sola scriptura)

Mathew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Then pretending he is the source of God word. He commands the Lord working in Jesus to prove it for it is written.

Mathew 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone

Then to try and prove he is the god of the whole corrupted world as a creator without moving one inch showed the Son of man Jesus all the kingdoms and al the glory

Mathew 4:9 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Then again, the Holy Father gave words to the Son of man to rebuke the father of false pride as it is written again . . .strike three you're out.

 

[Eleanor]

The Faithful Creator that works in the sons of men (unredeemed mankind) in order to produce born again sons of God.

Agreed. . .

 

[SeventhDay]

Seems the NT apostles taught by Jesus himself disagree with you, as presented in post #214.

God having roles within himself and outside himself does not change God in any way and is one person.

 

[SeventhDay]

Jesus is not the Father (John 14:23).

Jesus is not the Father as a man or as the Son of God, but he is the Father. These are all roles of the one Lord God.

 

[SeventhDay]

I would offer. .

There is one Spirit as the one Faithful Creator. the Holy Spirit of the Father. That Holy Spirit worked in the Son of man Jesus to reveal to the world the character and power of the Father. You could say of the son a shadow of his Holy Father a chip off the eternal old mans block. LOL

God has three roles Father, Son of God and son of man. It is that simple.

 

[GeneZ]

Jesus is not the Father as a man or as the Son of God, but he is the Father. These are all roles of the one Lord God.

If he is the Father?

There seems to be a slight problem with what you are saying, to be found here...:

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“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” Luke 22:42​

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[Fred]

Jesus is not the Father as a man or as the Son of God, but he is the Father. These are all roles of the one Lord God.

The use of plural pronouns in John 14:23 (and elsewhere) refute your false teaching.

 

[donadams]

Jesus was not a God-man and scriptures do not teach it.

Jesus did not have two natures and scriptures do not teach it.

Jesus had the role of a human servant as the Son of God but Jesus is more than just the son of man and Son of God but is also the Fathers and scriptures teach it.

Scriptures teach that God is one person or one Lord and that is Yahusha who we worship. We do not worship three but worship one Lord God!

Is Jesus a divine person?

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings, there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself.He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!

 

[GeneZ]

The use of plural pronouns in John 14:23 (and elsewhere) refute your false teaching.

Here it is... (sometime you got to see it to believe it)

Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, ​

and we will come to him and make our home with him." John 14:23​

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grace and peace .......

 

[Eleanor]

God has three roles Father, Son of God and son of man. It is that simple.

Contraire. . .

We have three separate persons (divine agents), Father, Son and Holy Spirit, presented in the work of salvation:

a)--at its beginning (Luke 1:35),
-----at the inauguration of Jesus' public ministry (Matthew 3:16-17) and
-----in the work of atonement (Hebrews 9:14),

b) the Holy Spirit completing the work (salvation) of the Father through the Son
(Acts 2:38-39; Romans 8:26; 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 1:3-14, Ephesians 2:13-22; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2),

c) the only way to enter the kingdom of the Father (salvation) is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (John 3:1-15).

2) And Jesus shows the personhoods of three distinct and separate divine agents:

The Son is sent by the Father, in the Father's name (John 5:23, 36, 43).
The Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (John 14:26).
The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (John 15:26, 16:7, 14:26).

One doesn't send oneself, one sends another who is separate from oneself.

The Trinity--one God in three separate divine persons--is presented in NT teaching from the beginning.

 

[SeventhDay]

Contraire. . .

We have three separate persons (divine agents), Father, Son and Holy Spirit, presented in the work of salvation:

a)--at its beginning (Luke 1:35),
-----at the inauguration of Jesus' public ministry (Matthew 3:16-17) and
-----in the work of atonement (Hebrews 9:14),

b) the Holy Spirit completing the work (salvation) of the Father through the Son
(Acts 2:38-39; Romans 8:26; 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 1:3-14, Ephesians 2:13-22; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2),

c) the only way to enter the kingdom of the Father (salvation) is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (John 3:1-15).

2) And Jesus shows the personhoods of three distinct and separate divine agents:

The Son is sent by the Father, in the Father's name (John 5:23, 36, 43).
The Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (John 14:26).
The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (John 15:26, 16:7, 14:26).

One doesn't send oneself, one sends another who is separate from oneself.

The Trinity--one God in three separate divine persons--is presented in NT teaching from the beginning.

God is his only divine agent and is one person who is the Word and God operates in unified roles of himself yet is one person not three.

 

[Eleanor]

God is his only divine agent and is one person who is the Word and God operates in unified roles of himself yet is one person not three.

Does not address the Scriptures presented. . .

 

[SeventhDay]

Contraire. . .

We have three separate persons (divine agents), Father, Son and Holy Spirit, presented in the work of salvation:

a)--at its beginning (Luke 1:35),
-----at the inauguration of Jesus' public ministry (Matthew 3:16-17) and
-----in the work of atonement (Hebrews 9:14),

b) the Holy Spirit completing the work (salvation) of the Father through the Son
(Acts 2:38-39; Romans 8:26; 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 1:3-14, Ephesians 2:13-22; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2),

c) the only way to enter the kingdom of the Father (salvation) is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (John 3:1-15).

2) And Jesus shows the personhoods of three distinct and separate divine agents:

The Son is sent by the Father, in the Father's name (John 5:23, 36, 43).
The Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (John 14:26).
The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (John 15:26, 16:7, 14:26).

One doesn't send oneself, one sends another who is separate from oneself.

The Trinity--one God in three separate divine persons--is presented in NT teaching from the beginning.

You can be sure that God sent himself and is the Spirit of Christ who is Jesus. There is no other Lord God but Yahusha! The other is Spirit and not the son of man in the flesh, but it is the same Yah Elohim!

 

[SeventhDay]

Is Jesus a divine person?

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings, there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself.He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!

Much mentioned is true apart from the fact that God is not only one being but is one personal spiritual being not three. God is one with two roles within himself in a unified Father and Son relationship and that is Jesus. The son of man is an external role of God and is the one begotten of the Father and that role is through the Son of God that took on a human role.

 

[SeventhDay]

Here it is... (sometime you got to see it to believe it)

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Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, ​

and we will come to him and make our home with him." John 14:23​

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grace and peace .......

Of course, there are personal pronouns indicating the Father and Son in relationship bit it is the one God who is one person not three.

 

[SeventhDay]

Here it is... (sometime you got to see it to believe it)

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Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, ​

and we will come to him and make our home with him." John 14:23​

​

grace and peace .......

Yes, personal pronous used of God who has two unified roles within himself as Father and Son bit is one God who is one person.

 

[SeventhDay]

If he is the Father?

There seems to be a slight problem with what you are saying, to be found here...:

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“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” Luke 22:42​

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The son of God is in the role of son of man, but God is in roles of the Father and the Son, and it is God who is one person. Do not confuse personal roles with separate persons! The Lord God is one Lord not three!