The 2 Natures in Christ

[donadams]

Much mentioned is true apart from the fact that God is not only one being but is one personal spiritual being not three. God is one with two roles within himself in a unified Father and Son relationship and that is Jesus. The son of man is an external role of God and is the one begotten of the Father and that role is through the Son of God that took on a human role.

Yes one God!
One Lord!
One substance or being!
But three persons

Did the father become man!
A child?
Did the father descend from heaven in the form of a dove?
Did the father visit and redeem us?

 

[donadams]

Much mentioned is true apart from the fact that God is not only one being but is one personal spiritual being not three. God is one with two roles within himself in a unified Father and Son relationship and that is Jesus. The son of man is an external role of God and is the one begotten of the Father and that role is through the Son of God that took on a human role.

Two roles or modes?

This smacks of sabillianism or modalism that’s an early heresy that was condemned by the apostolic church

Are you saying that Jesus was not a man? Or did not become man?

 

[Eleanor]

You can be sure that God sent himself and is the Spirit of Christ who is Jesus. There is no other Lord God but Yahusha! The other is Spirit and not the son of man in the flesh, but it is the same Yah Elohim!

Previously addressed. . .post #255.

 

[GeneZ]

Of course, there are personal pronouns indicating the Father and Son in relationship bit it is the one God who is one person not three.

Repeat after me...

Repeat a lie often enough and..... (Google it)

Its a demonic technique that keeps false doctrines afloat ..

 

[GeneZ]

The son of God is in the role of son of man, but God is in roles of the Father and the Son, and it is God who is one person. Do not confuse personal roles with separate persons! The Lord God is one Lord not three!

The Son has TWO natures in a unique union. Deity and Soul.

Through the Son? The Father is interpreted for us into "human think and speak." (John 1:18)

No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, ​

Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him ​

[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted ​

Him and He has made Him known]."​

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John 1:18​

Amplified Bible, Classic Edition​

Just the same.. His Soul remains being His own person, choosing always to conform to the ways of the Father.

grace and peace ...................

 

[SeventhDay]

The Son has TWO natures in a unique union. Deity and Soul.

Through the Son? The Father is interpreted for us into "human think and speak." (John 1:18)

No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, ​

Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him ​

[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted ​

Him and He has made Him known]."​

​

John 1:18​

Amplified Bible, Classic Edition​

Just the same.. His Soul remains being His own person, choosing always to conform to the ways of the Father.

grace and peace ...................

Son of God and son of man is two different roles of Jesus who is the Father and Son in relationship. It is that simple.

The Son of God is not begotten but the son of man is, and he speaks for the Son who took on a human role. Jesus as the Son of man pointed to the Father and Son in relationship.

 

[GeneZ]

Son of God and son of man is two different roles of Jesus who is the Father and Son in relationship. It is that simple.

The Son of God is not begotten but the son of man is, and he speaks for the Son who took on a human role. Jesus as the Son of man pointed to the Father and Son in relationship.

You are not yet able to put it together....

And, when you claim "its that simple?"
That only works for the simple minded who do not want to think.

The Soul of Jesus and the Deity of God are forever in union.
We could not know God if there were no Son and Holy Spirit.....

To us? Jesus is God, revealing God the Father to us by means of His soul, interpreting what his soul alone has always been privy to.

Want to keep it simple? Go back to being a baby Christian...

In Christ....

 

[SeventhDay]

The Son has TWO natures in a unique union. Deity and Soul.

Through the Son? The Father is interpreted for us into "human think and speak." (John 1:18)

No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, ​

Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him ​

[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted ​

Him and He has made Him known]."​

​

John 1:18​

Amplified Bible, Classic Edition​

Just the same.. His Soul remains being His own person, choosing always to conform to the ways of the Father.

grace and peace ...................

Scriptures do not teach that Yahusha is a God-man having two natures which is a plain contradiction and is heretical nonsense!

 

[SeventhDay]

You are not yet able to put it together....

And, when you claim "its that simple?"
That only works for the simple minded who do not want to think.

The Soul of Jesus and the Deity of God are forever in union.
We could not know God if there were no Son and Holy Spirit.....

To us? Jesus is God, revealing God the Father to us by means of His soul, interpreting what his soul alone has always been privy to.

Want to keep it simple? Go back to being a baby Christian...

In Christ....

Son of God and son of man is not the same and God who is Yahusha does not have two natures and is not a God-man which is a contradiction of terms. The Son of God assuming a human role a God-man does not make!

 

[GeneZ]

Son of God and son of man is not the same and God who is Yahusha does not have two natures and is not a God-man which is a contradiction of terms. The Son of God assuming a human role a God-man does not make!

The Lord God of Israel (before He took on the Incarnation) always had two natures in union!

It was written in the OT!

'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new. Moreover, I will make ​

My dwelling among you, and my soul will not reject you.'I will also walk among you and be ​

your God, and you shall be My people." Lev 26:10-12


“Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, the Sabbaths, ​

and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting. Your New Moons ​

and your appointed feasts my soul hates; They are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.. Isa 1:13-14
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How can that be? God is not soul. Jesus said, God is only spirit in essence!


Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father
in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit,
and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” John 4:23-24


We will always have a more needing to be known for allowing anyone of us to become complacent and thinking he has arrived...

And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah, ​

so that his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Judges 10:16



Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone loving ​

violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5 ​

That very same soul denied himself of his right to function as God and made himself to become as a man. (Philippians 2:6-8)
Made himself so by means of the body God provided his soul by means of the virgin Mary.

grace and peace ............

 

[grace2]

The Lord God of Israel (before He took on the Incarnation) always had two natures in union!

It was written in the OT!

​

'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new. Moreover, I will make ​

My dwelling among you, and my soul will not reject you.'I will also walk among you and be ​

your God, and you shall be My people." Lev 26:10-12 ​

​

​

“Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, the Sabbaths, ​

and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting. Your New Moons ​

and your appointed feasts my soul hates; They are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.. Isa 1:13-14​

​

​

How can that be? God is not soul. Jesus said, God is only spirit in essence!


Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father
in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit,
and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” John 4:23-24


We will always have a more needing to be known for allowing anyone of us to become complacent and thinking he has arrived...

And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah, ​

so that his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Judges 10:16 ​

​

​

​

Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone loving ​

violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5 ​

That very same soul denied himself of his right to function as God and made himself to become as a man. (Philippians 2:6-8)
Made himself so by means of the body God provided his soul by means of the virgin Mary.

grace and peace ............

so strange reading.

 

[GeneZ]

Son of God and son of man is not the same and God who is Yahusha does not have two natures and is not a God-man which is a contradiction of terms. The Son of God assuming a human role a God-man does not make!

Son of God and Son of man speaks of the two natures of Christ.

What ever you wish to believe is your right before God.
Others can see it without someone getting on their case to make sure they do....
Christians believe many things that do not agree with one another.

Some Catholics believe Mary is the mother of God.
And, there are Catholics that believe they are drinking literal blood and eating real flesh when partaking of the elements.
I also knew people who began to understand the Bible and stopped thinking that way.

We are all free to believe as we choose....

 

[grace2]

We are all free to believe as we choose....

Of course, dear.

 

[GeneZ]

Of course, dear.

But we are not free to escape being evaluated by the Lord Jesus Christ for what we chose to believe.....

 

[grace2]

But we are not free to escape being evaluated by the Lord Jesus Christ for what we chose to believe.....

Of course not, that includes you, friend.

You forget what Jesus says. We all will be judged according to what we have done.

Peter adds God's household will be judged first.

You need to read what the Bible says instead of spreading what you have learned from man leaders.

Protestants' main leader is Calvin, he teaches OSAS, so you believe you escape judgment.

sad, sad, sad.

 

[Eleanor]

You can be sure that God sent himself and is the Spirit of Christ who is Jesus. There is no other Lord God but Yahusha! The other is Spirit and not the son of man in the flesh, but it is the same Yah Elohim!

Simply denies the Scriptures presented (post #253). . .does not address them.

 

[SeventhDay]

Simply denies the Scriptures presented (post #253). . .does not address them.

No comment!

 

[SeventhDay]

Son of God and Son of man speaks of the two natures of Christ.

What ever you wish to believe is your right before God.
Others can see it without someone getting on their case to make sure they do....
Christians believe many things that do not agree with one another.

Some Catholics believe Mary is the mother of God.
And, there are Catholics that believe they are drinking literal blood and eating real flesh when partaking of the elements.
I also knew people who began to understand the Bible and stopped thinking that way.

We are all free to believe as we choose....

No, we are not free to believe as we choose! "God worketh in us to will and do of his good pleasure."

 

[SeventhDay]

The Lord God of Israel (before He took on the Incarnation) always had two natures in union!

It was written in the OT!

​

'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new. Moreover, I will make ​

My dwelling among you, and my soul will not reject you.'I will also walk among you and be ​

your God, and you shall be My people." Lev 26:10-12 ​

​

​

“Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, the Sabbaths, ​

and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting. Your New Moons ​

and your appointed feasts my soul hates; They are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.. Isa 1:13-14​

​

​

How can that be? God is not soul. Jesus said, God is only spirit in essence!


Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father
in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit,
and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” John 4:23-24


We will always have a more needing to be known for allowing anyone of us to become complacent and thinking he has arrived...

And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah, ​

so that his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Judges 10:16 ​

​

​

​

Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone loving ​

violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5 ​

That very same soul denied himself of his right to function as God and made himself to become as a man. (Philippians 2:6-8)
Made himself so by means of the body God provided his soul by means of the virgin Mary.

grace and peace ............

God is a soul just as Yahusha is a soul.

 

[GeneZ]

Protestants' main leader is Calvin, he teaches OSAS, so you believe you escape judgment.

sad, sad, sad.

What kind of judgment are you talking about?
Loosing one's salvation?!

We will be evaluated not to find out if we are to keep our salvation.
But, evaluated to see what kind of rewards the saved will receive, or to be denied.

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus ​

Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, ​

hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. ​

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It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. ​

If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. ​

If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—​

even though only as one escaping ​

through the flames." 1 Corinthians 3:11-15​

We can not lose our salvation.
If we could? It was never salvation!

But, we can lose eternal rewards....