Sin nature

[donadams]

There is no such thing as a "sin nature." What there is, is sinful flesh. The solution to sinful flesh is salvation from sin found only in Christ and the commensurate resurrection from the grave in which we are raised incorruptible and immortal.

What about here and now?

 

[donadams]

Prayer is a requirement cos apart from christ and His divine grace we can do nothing Jn 15:5

With christ i can do all things
phil 4:13

 

[donadams]

Powerful Name of Jesus!

John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in theSon.

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Acts 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name underheaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Philippians 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a namewhich is above every name:

The Holy Name of Jesus!

Philippians 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in-earth, and things under the earth;

Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

 

[Josheb]

What about here and now?

What about here and now? The fact is there is nothing in the Bible called "sin nature." Some of the dynamic English translations, like the NIV, use a phrase "sinful nature," but when the Greek is examined the word being translated is "sarx," or "flesh." Examine the NLT's translation of Romans 8:7, for example. The idea of "sin nature" is an extra-biblical, man-made invention. It's useful to a degree but should not be overgeneralized to mean something scripture never states.

In fact, if you have an older version of the NIV and read Romans 8:12 it will read, "Therefore brothers, we have an obligation - but not to the sinful nature, to live according to it." but that error in translation has been corrected and the verse now correctly reads, "Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it." You'll not the NLT still has "sinful nature."

When the NT speaks of "flesh" it is usually (not always) in the context of "fallen" or "sinful" flesh and not the flesh prior to pre-Genesis 3:7, which God declared good and sinless.

Romans 8:3-4
For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

There was no sinful flesh prior to Genesis 3:7.

Romans 7:5
For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.

There are no sinful passions in the flesh prior to Genesis 3:7. It was by one man's disobedience that sin entered the otherwise good and sinless world (Rom. 5:12). So the concept is useful, but it's not exactly scriptural and there needs to be limits placed on its usage. Two examples of abuse would be the Gnostic view everything physical (like human flesh) is ungodly and worthless, or of lesser value, and the perverted version of total depravity that misguidedly says humans can do nothing good at all ever. It is always more accurate, more scriptural to use the word "flesh" in its scripturally provided context of the fall, or Adam's disobedience (I tend not to use the word "fall" for the very same reason I don't use "sinful nature").

 

[makesends]

donadams said:
"And Christians are called to suffer for his sake phil 1:29

No servant is greater than his master. Jn 13:16

Christ is our model in suffering. Matt 16:24 Our suffer for His sake, Phil 1:29 for the sake of His body the church. Col 1:24 for the salvation of souls. Phil 1:19 (My emphasis —makesends)

Christ came to take all the sins of the world on Himself!

What does that imply to the servant and disciple?"

makesends said:
Are you saying that suffering is the solution to sin? I'm not following where you are going with this.

Prayer and suffering

Watch and pray so as not to enter into temptation

1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

Answer the question. "Are you saying that suffering is the solution to sin?"

 

[donadams]

donadams said:
"And Christians are called to suffer for his sake phil 1:29

No servant is greater than his master. Jn 13:16

Christ is our model in suffering. Matt 16:24 Our suffer for His sake, Phil 1:29 for the sake of His body the church. Col 1:24 for the salvation of souls. Phil 1:19 (My emphasis —makesends)

Christ came to take all the sins of the world on Himself!

What does that imply to the servant and disciple?"

makesends said:
Are you saying that suffering is the solution to sin? I'm not following where you are going with this.

Answer the question. "Are you saying that suffering is the solution to sin?"

Prayer and suffering yes
For those who are in the covenant of grace and members of christ by faith and baptism

Thks

 

[makesends]

Prayer and suffering yes
For those who are in the covenant of grace and members of christ by faith and baptism

Thks

So, I guess you would admit, you have been talking about sanctification, and not justification —not salvation and not regeneration.

 

[donadams]

So, I guess you would admit, you have been talking about sanctification, and not justification —not salvation and not regeneration.

Justification is by faith and baptism

Im telling how to avoid sin and to persevere in God’s grace to the end and enter into eternal salvation