Severed from Christ ?

[ChristB4us]

It’s a warning, if you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit you will NOT be forgiven of that.

@Eleanor

But you will not say what that sin is whereas I pointed out in the Bible what that sin was doing by scattering potential believers away from Him by those two references as addressing the unbelief in Jesus Christ which is what the Holy Spirit will convict of per John 16:9.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. KJV

And why were they saying He had an unclean spirit? What was the purpose for saying that other than to scatter potential believers away from Jesus from believing in Him?

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. KJV

The two references is the same account but together, you can ascertain what that sin against the holy Ghost actually is about; by what they say about Jesus to scatter them away from believing in Him because they were rejecting believing in Him themselves.

 

[makesends]

Well compare the provocation then. Was his done with reproof by scriptures or was he just posting a comment to disparage me?

Was my reply done to provoke him to be a better brother with scripture or not?

I will try to give you my point of view, here, since you cry, "foul".

Use of scripture by one who is self-righteous against one whom the self-righteous one does not know, is demeaning, condescending, and makes God look bad. I do tend to get sarcastic, and even now want to make humorous remarks that my conscience is forbidding, and I will readily admit that too makes God look bad, and for that, I apologize. I avoid use of Scriptures in remonstrances (depending on the situation, of course) because of that very thing. But I will use it in this next paragraph.

Now I have tried to show you in different ways and at different junctures, that your use of scripture against others has a nasty way of turning on you. But whether my judgement of you, coming from my distaste for those who talk the way you do, is scripturally referenced, or is just criticism, whether justified or not, it will be used to measure me, so I intend to relent from here out. But know, that as you have judged others, so your standard will be used to measure you.

I had not intended to hurt you, nor to become this frank and open with you, because I had hoped you would get the point without that, and just back off of your 'preaching'. You did not hurt me, because, frankly, I've been finding it hard to take you seriously. The kind of people I can take seriously are those who don't take themselves too seriously.

But, I admit, it is unfair of me to disparage those that are not easy for me to love. God has not done that to me.

 

[ChristB4us]

It’s a warning, it’s like your parents telling you not to do something and you do it anyway.

Jesus wants us to repent of our sins, but we can’t be forgiven if we blaspheme the Holy Spirit…….everything else can be forgiven.

I’m not sure why this is confusing y’all, it’s a very serious warning.

But I’ve read somewhere that if you are a born again believer and you are worried that you’ve committed that sin then it’s probably safe to say that you haven’t…..

Personally I would not want to willingly do that because I care about the Holy Spirit and it’s a gift to me

And @makesends

That is a statement of Jesus to unbelievers.

Believers don't attribute the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan, which is the meaning of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

What is the work of the Holy Spirit being done at this time when Jesus was casting out devils?

When we consider that everything the Holy Spirit does, is a witness of Jesus Christ for why He gives credit & glory to Jesus Christ;

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Then when the unbelievers tried to scatter potential believers away from Jesus by attributing the Lord's work as being done by testifying against the Holy Spirit by saying Jesus has an unclean spirit as if that was by how Jesus is casting out devils, it is resisting the testimony of the Holy Spirit at that time of miracle about Jesus is why that is the unforgiveable sin.

I had referred to John 16:8-9 of what that unforgivable sin is that He will convict the world of sin for; & that is for not believing His testimony about Jesus Christ.
John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
BUT sinners can believe in Him later on down the road and so it is a forgivable sin in that regard; it is dying in never having believed in Jesus Christ is the unforgivable sin that the Holy Spirit will convict of since sinners that had blasphemy, have been saved later on.
@Frank Robert This is one reason why unbelievers that are not found written in the Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So those judged at the Great White Throne Judgment by the works done in those books, if they are not written in the Book of Life of having believed even in His name at one time, then it does not matter what good deeds they have done.

 

[Ritajanice]

How can a Born Again be severed from Christ...when they have been birthed in the Spirit?

We can’t un- birth ourselves...no more than we can birth ourselves into Christ ..

Unless I’m not understanding the question?

John 14:26 ESV / 93 helpful votes​

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 16:13 ESV / 85 helpful votes​

When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

Romans 8:26 ESV / 56 helpful votes​

Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.

 

[fastfredy0]

How can a Born Again be severed from Christ...when they have been birthed in the Spirit?

We can’t un- birth ourselves...no more than we can birth ourselves into Christ ..

Unless I’m not understanding the question?

Good point.
When I asked the question I was partially using Galatians and Gal. 5:4 says: You have been severed from Christ, if you seek to be justified [that is, declared free of the guilt of sin and its penalty, and placed in right standing with God] through the Law; you have fallen from grace [for you have lost your grasp on God’s unmerited favor and blessing]. AMP
So, I used the word "severed" too. Probably could have used a better word.

I also had the thought that if one was born again and later decided he had to be circumcised to be saved then how can he lose his salvation? This assumes he was saved in the first place and "perseverance of the saints".
Anyways ... K.I.S.S. rule (Keep It Simple Stupid)

 

[Ritajanice]

@fastfredy0 .....I am a simple Simon .....but....I have been birthed in the Spirit....therefore the Holy Spirit speaks God’s word to me through scripture....and we all know the POWER of God’s word.......he has taught me all about being Born Again....took a while though....we are forever learning..

Hebrews 4:12 KJV​

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[Eleanor]

And @makesends

What is the work of the Holy Spirit being done at this time when Jesus was casting out devils?

When we consider that everything the Holy Spirit does, is a witness of Jesus Christ for why He gives credit & glory to Jesus Christ;

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Then when the unbelievers tried to scatter potential believers away from Jesus by attributing the Lord's work as being done by testifying against the Holy Spirit by saying Jesus has an unclean spirit as if that was by how Jesus is casting out devils, it is resisting the testimony of the Holy Spirit at that time of miracle about Jesus is why that is the unforgiveable sin.

It is the unforgivable sin because you have barred you own door to forgiveness of your sin by rejecting the very source of that forgiveness.
You have sinned against the remedy.
You have rejected the only thing that saves; i.e., forgiveness of sin.

 

[ChristB4us]

I will try to give you my point of view, here, since you cry, "foul".

Use of scripture by one who is self-righteous against one whom the self-righteous one does not know, is demeaning, condescending, and makes God look bad

You will have to explain that as I see that as contrary to any one giving any correction to any fellow believer by the scripture at all and yet scripture teaches us to do that.

2 Timothy 3: 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Is not what you had posted would infer that anyone that corrects others by scripture is claiming to be self righteous?

I do tend to get sarcastic, and even now want to make humorous remarks that my conscience is forbidding, and I will readily admit that too makes God look bad, and for that, I apologize. I avoid use of Scriptures in remonstrances (depending on the situation, of course) because of that very thing. But I will use it in this next paragraph.

Apology accepted.

Now I have tried to show you in different ways and at different junctures, that your use of scripture against others has a nasty way of turning on you. But whether my judgement of you, coming from my distaste for those who talk the way you do, is scripturally referenced, or is just criticism, whether justified or not, it will be used to measure me, so I intend to relent from here out. But know, that as you have judged others, so your standard will be used to measure you.

If the head of every believer is Christ hence the Word of God, then scripture for correction also applies to me. The Word of God is supposed to.

I had not intended to hurt you, nor to become this frank and open with you, because I had hoped you would get the point without that, and just back off of your 'preaching'. You did not hurt me, because, frankly, I've been finding it hard to take you seriously. The kind of people I can take seriously are those who don't take themselves too seriously.

But, I admit, it is unfair of me to disparage those that are not easy for me to love. God has not done that to me.

Well, like I had apologized before to you & @Eleanor because my shortcoming can come through where I do not know when to stop talking about an issue with someone when I rely on the Lord to cause the increase. If it looked like He was not ministering at this time on that issue, it does not mean later on that Eleanor might be able to receive it from Him since He is the One that causes the increase.

Like those who preach the gospel, but the sinner did not believe then, but later on, the Father reminded him or her of the word spoken and they believe later on. And so that can happen in His iron sharpen iron ministry here in the forum when either side of any discussion may receive the truth & be more fruitful in the knowledge of Him & His words later on.

It sure took the Lord a while to get some truths to me to accept because I could not believe my church had taught me wrong. The idea of it never entered my head for why I did not question it in light of His words, but once I considered that which was taught by the church could be wrong, He was able to help me read the scriptures as is in seeing the meta of His words as reproving false teachings.

And so it is with any issue I am discussing with someone about. If some idea or notion is blocking them from receiving the truth in His words from Him, then I cannot help them at that time, but it goes to show how much I rely on the Lord Jesus Christ for me to keep going if that is what the Father wills.

 

[ChristB4us]

It is the unforgivable sin because you have barred you own door to forgiveness of your sin by rejecting the very source of that forgiveness.
You have sinned against the remedy.
You have rejected the only thing that saves; i.e., forgiveness of sin.

@Bigknucklesandhands

If a sinner committed the unforgivable sin as speaking against the testimony & witness of the Holy Ghost about Jesus Christ; thus not believing in Jesus Christ still for when he dies, then that sin cannot be forgiven.

If a sinner committed the unforgivable sin as speaking against the testimony & witness of the holy Ghost about Jesus Christ; BUT believed in Jesus Christ later on, then that sinner is saved because he is a believer. You cannot have the faith in Jesus Christ unless the Holy Spirit is in them.
It does not go to the glory of God the Father to lure someone after refusing to believe the testimony from the Holy Spirit about Jesus Christ to save that sinner later on if that sin is what you all say it is as speaking against the Holy Ghost in the way that you seem to fathom it to mean.

For applying to the topic of the thread; @fastfredy0 & @Ritajanice & @makesends

If a saved believer believed the lie of the evolution theory as an example for why he became a former believer, even though that former believer will deny Him for why He will deny him at the rapture event, He still abides for He is faithful as He will finish His work in those saints left behind.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Note verse 10 above because by departing from iniquity is how a former believer and an unrepentant believer living in sin becomes that vessel unto honor in His House which is the eternal glory to be obtained with our salvation in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So it is not an actual severing but a form of chastening on saved believers for not being ready to go as found abiding in Him as His disciples as well as praying for His help not to be overcharged and thus ensnared by the cares of this life that one may find themselves not wanting to go.

Luke 12:40-49 KJV & John 15:1-8 KJV For abiding in Him as His disciple & the consequence for not abiding in Him as His disciple

Luke 21:33-36 KJV For why we need to pray that He will have us willing to go thus free from being overcharged by the cares of this life.

 

[Eleanor]

@Bigknucklesandhands

If a sinner committed the unforgivable sin as speaking against the testimony & witness of the Holy Ghost about Jesus Christ; thus not believing in Jesus Christ still for when he dies, then that sin cannot be forgiven.

If a sinner committed the unforgivable sin as speaking against the testimony & witness of the holy Ghost about Jesus Christ; BUT believed in Jesus Christ later on, then that sinner is saved because he is a believer. You cannot have the faith in Jesus Christ unless the Holy Spirit is in them.

What changed their minds? How do they later decide to accept the testimony of the Holy Spirit, when the Holy Spirit is the only one who can change their mind, and they reject him?
Let's not improve on Jesus' words.

Those who reject the testimony of the Holy Spirit cannot be saved, because the Holy Spirit is the only means of salvation.

It does not go to the glory of God the Father to lure someone after refusing to believe the testimony from the Holy Spirit about Jesus Christ to save that sinner later on if that sin is what you all say it is as speaking against the Holy Ghost in the way that you seem to fathom it to mean.

For applying to the topic of the thread; @fastfredy0 & @Ritajanice & @makesends

If a saved believer believed the lie of the evolution theory as an example for why he became a former believer, even though that former believer will deny Him for why He will deny him at the rapture event, He still abides for He is faithful as He will finish His work in those saints left behind.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Note verse 10 above because by departing from iniquity is how a former believer and an unrepentant believer living in sin becomes that vessel unto honor in His House which is the eternal glory to be obtained with our salvation in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So it is not an actual severing but a form of chastening on saved believers for not being ready to go as found abiding in Him as His disciples as well as praying for His help not to be overcharged and thus ensnared by the cares of this life that one may find themselves not wanting to go.

Luke 12:40-49 KJV & John 15:1-8 KJV For abiding in Him as His disciple & the consequence for not abiding in Him as His disciple

Luke 21:33-36 KJV For why we need to pray that He will have us willing to go thus free from being overcharged by the cares of this life.

 

[ChristB4us]

What changed their minds? How do they later decide to accept the testimony of the Holy Spirit, when the Holy Spirit is the only one who can change their mind, and they reject him?
Let's not improve on Jesus' words.

Those who reject the testimony of the Holy Spirit cannot be saved, because the Holy Spirit is the only means of salvation.

I have read a born again sister on the internet in a Christian forum whom was worrying about if she was saved or not because she had what she had thought she did is blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

The fact that the Father bothered to draw her unto the Son later in life to reveal His Son to her and thereby having received faith & the holy Spirit at the hearing of the gospel should tell you the limit of that unforgivable sin as only applying to those that have passed on that never believed in Jesus Christ. It is never having believed in Jesus Christ is how the Holy Spirit will convict those of that sin that have passed on.

That is when judgment comes; after death.

 

[Eleanor]

I have read a born again sister on the internet in a Christian forum whom was worrying about if she was saved or not because she had what she had thought she did is blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

The fact that the Father bothered to draw her unto the Son later in life to reveal His Son to her and thereby having received faith & the holy Spirit at the hearing of the gospel should tell you the limit of that unforgivable sin as only applying to those that have passed on that never believed in Jesus Christ. It is never having believed in Jesus Christ is how the Holy Spirit will convict those of that sin that have passed on.

That is when judgment comes; after death.

And are they correctly understanding the meaning of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

 

[ChristB4us]

And are they correctly understanding the meaning of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Well apparently not the way you seem to think it means when the only sin the Holy Spirit will convict anyone of are the unbelievers for not believing in Jesus Christ as I believe that is the unforgivable sin against the Holy Ghost.

 

[Eleanor]

Well apparently not the way you seem to think it means when the only sin the Holy Spirit will convict anyone of are the unbelievers for not believing in Jesus Christ as I believe that is the unforgivable sin against the Holy Ghost.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit
You can ascertain what that sin against the holy Ghost actually is about; by what they say about Jesus to scatter them away from believing in Him because they were rejecting believing in Him themselves. And why were they saying He had an unclean spirit? What was the purpose for saying that other than to scatter potential believers away from Jesus from believing in Him?

They said it because they believed it. They did not believe he was Messiah, yet he was working miracles. The correct conclusion of those two premises (one false) is that Jesus was an unclean spirit (false conclusion from false premise).

"He hath an unclean spirit" is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and is the blasphemy to which Jesus is referring, which in their blindness they believed.

It is an unforgivable sin in that, as long as you believe that, you have shut out the testimony of the Holy Spirit which is the only way to faith, you can never believe in Jesus and be saved because you have barred your own door to saving faith.

 

[civic]

Well apparently not the way you seem to think it means when the only sin the Holy Spirit will convict anyone of are the unbelievers for not believing in Jesus Christ as I believe that is the unforgivable sin against the Holy Ghost.

That’s not Jesus definition of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which He said was unforgivable in this life and the life to come.

 

[ChristB4us]

They said it because they believed it. They did not believe he was Messiah, yet he was working miracles. The correct conclusion of those two premises (one false) is that Jesus was an unclean spirit (false conclusion from false premise).

"He hath an unclean spirit" is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and is the blasphemy to which Jesus is referring, which in their blindness they believed.

It is an unforgivable sin in that, as long as you believe that, you have shut out the testimony of the Holy Spirit which is the only way to faith, you can never believe in Jesus and be saved because you have barred your own door to saving faith.

That’s not Jesus definition of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which He said was unforgivable in this life and the life to come.

So what do you tell that Christian girl that before she was saved, she had blasphemed the Holy Spirit as she was worrying about it?

Seems like why would God the Father draw her to the Son to reveal His Son to her to believe if she was not going to be saved?

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Reality shows me that believers are applying His words wrong about blaspheming the Holy Spirit when the only sin the Holy Spirit will convict come judgment day is of that sin of never having believed in Jesus Christ thus rejecting the witness of the Holy Spirit regarding Jesus Christ is that unforgivable sin.

 

[civic]

So what do you tell that Christian girl that before she was saved, she had blasphemed the Holy Spirit as she was worrying about it?

Seems like why would God the Father draw her to the Son to reveal His Son to her to believe if she was not going to be saved?

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Reality shows me that believers are applying His words wrong about blaspheming the Holy Spirit when the only sin the Holy Spirit will convict come judgment day is of that sin of never having believed in Jesus Christ thus rejecting the witness of the Holy Spirit regarding Jesus Christ is that unforgivable sin.

If she worried about it rest assured she did not commit that sin.

 

[Eleanor]

Well apparently not the way you seem to think it means when the only sin the Holy Spirit will convict anyone of are the unbelievers for not believing in Jesus Christ as I believe that is the unforgivable sin against the Holy Ghost.

So what do you tell that Christian girl that before she was saved, she had blasphemed the Holy Spirit as she was worrying about it?

First of all, I'm wondering if she did what the NT shows there.
And secondly, unforgivieable sin means maintenance of that sin in your life and dying in that sin.
None will die sinless at death, but any who die in that sin (which is irresolvable unbelief) are without hope of forgiveness.

Seems like why would God the Father draw her to the Son to reveal His Son to her to believe if she was not going to be saved?

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Reality shows me

The text shows me that rejecting the witness is one thing, saying the Holy Spirit is unclean is a whole 'nother ball game.
That is to say the Holy Spirit is Satan. Not in God's house!

that believers are applying His words wrong about blaspheming the Holy Spirit when the only sin the Holy Spirit will convict come judgment day is of that sin of never having believed in Jesus Christ thus rejecting the witness of the Holy Spirit regarding Jesus Christ is that unforgivable sin.

And the cause, root, source of that unforgivable sin is rejecting the witness of the Holy Spirit because you see him as unclean.

That is what Jesus is talking about.

 

[ChristB4us]

If she worried about it rest assured she did not commit that sin.

As she understood it as others talk about what that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost was as she said she had done it before she was a believer for why she was worried about it.

I would say the Father would not bother to give her to the Son to save her if she was going to be eternally condemned anyway. What does that do to the glory of God in salvation but God giving Himself a black eye? Not likely.

So that is why I say that the unforgivable sin is what the Holy Spirit is going to convict sinners for; never having believed in Jesus Christ.

The sin those Pharisees were committing was denying the witness of the Holy Spirit's regarding the Son as God when the Son was casting out the devils.

Hence the sin of unbelief.

 

[Eleanor]

AAs she understood it as others talk about what that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost was as she said she had done it before she was a believer for why she was worried about it.

I would say the Father would not bother to give her to the Son to save her if she was going to be eternally condemned anyway. What does that do to the glory of God in salvation but God giving Himself a black eye? Not likely.

So that is why I say that the unforgivable sin is what the Holy Spirit is going to convict sinners for; never having believed in Jesus Christ.

The sin those Pharisees were committing was denying the witness of the Holy Spirit's regarding the Son as God when the Son was casting out the devils.

Hence the sin of unbelief.

It is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that locks you up in unbelief, making you unable to be delivered.

All condemned are condemned because of unbelief.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit locks you up it, making it impossible for the Holy Spirit to deliver you as he delivers others.