Severed from Christ ?

[ChristB4us]

Your question is framed in terms of your own reference points and their conclusions.
I do not understand your question.

Then I reckon the Lord is not ministering between us in His iron sharpen iron ministry.

Have a blessed day.

 

[Eleanor]

Then I reckon the Lord is not ministering between us in His iron sharpen iron ministry.

Have a blessed day.

You choose not to explain your question?

 

[ChristB4us]

You choose not to explain your question?

Do you acknowledge that there are two kinds of believers in His Kingdom; the least being those who break His commandments & teach others so?

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Do you acknowledge the vessels unto dishonor that are in His House are the ones that did not depart from iniquity yet?

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

If you acknowledge them both as yes then how do you apply what Jesus will say to them here?

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I agree with you that they are in His kingdom & in His House BUT this is why those left behind because of unrepentant iniquity are still saved.

 

[Eleanor]

Do you acknowledge that there are two kinds of believers in His Kingdom; the least being those who break His commandments & teach others so?

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Do you acknowledge the vessels unto dishonor that are in His House are the ones that did not depart from iniquity yet?

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

If you acknowledge them both as yes then how do you apply what Jesus will say to them here?

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I agree with you that they are in His kingdom & in His House BUT this is why those left behind because of unrepentant iniquity are still saved.

I acknowledge all in his kingdom are born again, no one who is not born again is in his kingdom.
What do you mean by house? The "vessels of dishonor" are the condemned. They are not in his kingdom.

 

[ChristB4us]

I acknowledge all in his kingdom are born again, no one who is not born again is in his kingdom.
What do you mean by house? The "vessels of dishonor" are the condemned. They are not in his kingdom.

His House & His kingdom is the same thing.

Yet the vessels unto dishonor are the vessels of wood & earth, but still in His House, that great house. Note verse 20.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So yes, the vessels unto dishonor are the condemned for why they are in everlasting shame as vessels unto dishonor but still in His House.

Think of Esau like the prodigal son that gave up his first inheritance for wild living; although the prodigal son having spent it, can never get his first inheritance back, but he is still son.

 

[Eleanor]

His House & His kingdom is the same thing.

In this illustration, his house is all creation. It is not the kingdom of God.
In this illustration, the distinction is between those of the kingdom and those not of the kingdom in his creation.

Yet the vessels unto dishonor are the vessels of wood & earth, but still in His House, that great house. Note verse 20.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

The "great" house here is creation.

So yes, the vessels unto dishonor are the condemned for why they are in everlasting shame as vessels unto dishonor but still in His House.

Because his house is all creation.

Think of Esau like the prodigal son that gave up his first inheritance for wild living; although the prodigal son having spent it, can never get his first inheritance back, but he is still son.

No correlation.

You are not understanding the verse in its context: " 'I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.'--Ex 33:19. It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. . .Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden." (Ro 9:15-18)

It is in this context that Paul uses an illustration demonstrating the sovereignty of God in creation. The illustration of the potter must be understood in the context in which it is used. As the potter is sovereign in his creation of pottery, making some for noble use and some not for noble use, so God is sovereign in his creation of mankind, making some for his kingdom, and some not for his kingdom, referring back to Ro 9:15-18.

 

[makesends]

You are not understanding the verse in its context: " 'I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.'--Ex 33:19. It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. . .Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden." (Ro 9:15-18)

THAT! is so beautiful and satisfying to me. I love God's purposes, his decree, his sovereignty! And the fact that he even lets me watch and marvel at his power, wisdom and joy. This is reward enough, but there is [exponentially] more to come. ('Exponentially more', I say, as if that describes what he has determined to accomplish. It is a whole different kind of thing, not just greater, than what we see now.)

 

[makesends]

Then I reckon the Lord is not ministering between us in His iron sharpen iron ministry.

Have a blessed day.

It is one thing to distrust your ability to communicate, and even to understand what you are trying to say. It is another to blame God for your failures.

But I understand very well becoming tired of a conversation.

 

[ChristB4us]

In this illustration, his house is all creation. It is not the kingdom of God.
In this illustration, the distinction is between those of the kingdom and those not of the kingdom in his creation.

The "great" house here is creation.

Because his house is all creation.

@makesends

In context; it is addressing the House of God. See the rebuke even for former believers that fell away as those that have that foundation and His seal for why the call is given even to them to depart from iniquity to be that vessel unto honor in His House.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

This is why we endure for the elect sake to seek their good in the Lord so that they too may obtain that eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus to be that vessel unto honor in His House because in spite of former believers denying Him for why they will be denied by Him, He still abides as testifying those left behind are still saved.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

No correlation.

Daniel 12:1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

You are not understanding the verse in its context: " 'I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.'--Ex 33:19. It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. . .Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden." (Ro 9:15-18)

It is in this context that Paul uses an illustration demonstrating the sovereignty of God in creation. The illustration of the potter must be understood in the context in which it is used. As the potter is sovereign in his creation of pottery, making some for noble use and some not for noble use, so God is sovereign in his creation of mankind, making some for his kingdom, and some not for his kingdom, referring back to Ro 9:15-18.

I understand your application but it is not the rightly done. You believe House is all creation but you had forgotten this one verse and it is about the kingdom of heaven which is a correlation to Hsi House.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What do you call those who break the least of His commandments and teaches other so? Workers of iniquity. This is how they get left behind to everlasting shame as vessels unto dishonor in His House.

When you see how the firstfruits of the resurrection will be like:

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

And yet those that are resurrected after the great tribulation need this;

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

I believe each verse that begins with "He that hath an ear.." after addressing each church with a warning or an exhortation in the event those 5 churches did not heed His warning to repent or the 2 good churches did not heed His exhortation to hold fast; then that "he that overcometh" is addressing Jesus as that Overcomer as He will finish His work even in those unrepentant saints & former believers left behind. Afterwards of the rapture event and that first angel spreading the gospel everywhere per Revelation 14:6-7, Jesus will finish His work in new believers also as they die, their spirits will be with the Lord in heaven to await for their resurrection after the great tribulation.

Only the power of the second death will not be over them, thus indicating the power of the first death still does for why they need the tree of life.... until the Great White Throne Judgment when death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire forever.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.....14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

So that is why there are two kinds of vessels in His House as they that are Christ the firstfruits will be like the angels that never die and never marry whereas the ones after the great tribulation, the power of the second death will not be over them as they will marry and be ruling as kings and priests in serving the King fo kings on earth from all over the world in raising up the coming millenial generations.

 

[ChristB4us]

It is one thing to distrust your ability to communicate, and even to understand what you are trying to say. It is another to blame God for your failures.

But I understand very well becoming tired of a conversation.

It takes the Lord to keep me going when I think He is not causing the increase.

Matthew 10:13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Not that what @Eleanor & I are talking about in this discussion is something she could be left behind for; but not everyone see this "talent" that I see and it really has to be on Him to show it.

I just do not know when to quit and so I leave that to Him also, especially when I had thought I had better let it go, but He had thought otherwise and led her to inquire further. I almost didn't. So if He finally help her to see that "talent" He has given me, all credit & glory to Him then.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

I know I could not receive what He was trying to tell me until I had to accept that what the church had taught me was wrong to read His words as afresh from that to see the meat as reproving what they had taught me.

1 Corinthians 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

So if you all can forgive me for my shortcoming, I would appreciate it but if you all see the truth now, give thanks to Father in Jesus Christ's name.

 

[makesends]

It takes the Lord to keep me going when I think He is not causing the increase.

Matthew 10:13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Not that what @Eleanor & I are talking about in this discussion is something she could be left behind for; but not everyone see this "talent" that I see and it really has to be on Him to show it.

I just do not know when to quit and so I leave that to Him also, especially when I had thought I had better let it go, but He had thought otherwise and led her to inquire further. I almost didn't. So if He finally help her to see that "talent" He has given me, all credit & glory to Him then.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

I know I could not receive what He was trying to tell me until I had to accept that what the church had taught me was wrong to read His words as afresh from that to see the meat as reproving what they had taught me.

1 Corinthians 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

So if you all can forgive me for my shortcoming, I would appreciate it but if you all see the truth now, give thanks to Father in Jesus Christ's name.

Forgive my skepticism, but I have a hard time believing that if anyone "sees the truth" that is must necessarily agree with what you see. It sounds to me like that is what you are saying.

 

[ChristB4us]

Forgive my skepticism, but I have a hard time believing that if anyone "sees the truth" that is must necessarily agree with what you see. It sounds to me like that is what you are saying.

@Eleanor & @Sparrow & @civic & @Josheb & @ReverendRV & @Carbon & @fastfredy0

In any iron sharpen iron ministry that is His, both sides should be ready to receive edification or correction for abiding in Him & His words in truth.

It is when we refuse to be wrong or refuse that we were taught wrong is what gets us in the way of receiving correction from Him by His words.

We never stop growing in the word.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
But at the same time, I am relying on Him to let me know when to let go and let God in any discussion and sometime I just don't see Him wanting me to continue but I can and have been wrong.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

So I need His help to be more longsuffering then, especially when there are members that are not heeding His warning to strive yet to enter through that straight gate to avoid being left behind in Luke 13:24-30 because that ecumenical Nicene creed of 381 A.D. broaden the way in the worship place by worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son as I see that as applied in Matthew 7:13-27 for how these apostate movement of the "spirit" with signs and wonders" are happening by that God permit these strong delusion to occur for taking your eyes off of the Son in worship in coming to God the Father by in honoring Him by which is what the indwelling Holy Spirit in us is leading us to do.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 5:22 is the standard of judgment that is being raised over all believers as verse 23 is that standard of judgment, but readers look at it as if He did not really mean that the Son is the only way to honor the Father and yet by not honoring the Son, they are not honoring the Father at all.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So did Jesus really meant that or do believers just continue to follow the status quo in not proving church practices by the scripture?

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

[makesends]

makesends said:
Forgive my skepticism, but I have a hard time believing that if anyone "sees the truth" that is must necessarily agree with what you see. It sounds to me like that is what you are saying.

@Eleanor & @Sparrow & @civic & @Josheb & @ReverendRV & @Carbon & @fastfredy0

In any iron sharpen iron ministry that is His, both sides should be ready to receive edification or correction for abiding in Him & His words in truth.

It is when we refuse to be wrong or refuse that we were taught wrong is what gets us in the way of receiving correction from Him by His words.

We never stop growing in the word.


John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
But at the same time, I am relying on Him to let me know when to let go and let God in any discussion and sometime I just don't see Him wanting me to continue but I can and have been wrong.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

So I need His help to be more longsuffering then, especially when there are members that are not heeding His warning to strive yet to enter through that straight gate to avoid being left behind in Luke 13:24-30 because that ecumenical Nicene creed of 381 A.D. broaden the way in the worship place by worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son as I see that as applied in Matthew 7:13-27 for how these apostate movement of the "spirit" with signs and wonders" are happening by that God permit these strong delusion to occur for taking your eyes off of the Son in worship in coming to God the Father by in honoring Him by which is what the indwelling Holy Spirit in us is leading us to do.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 5:22 is the standard of judgment that is being raised over all believers as verse 23 is that standard of judgment, but readers look at it as if He did not really mean that the Son is the only way to honor the Father and yet by not honoring the Son, they are not honoring the Father at all.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So did Jesus really meant that or do believers just continue to follow the status quo in not proving church practices by the scripture?

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Yeah, like I said...

 

[ChristB4us]

makesends said:
Forgive my skepticism, but I have a hard time believing that if anyone "sees the truth" that is must necessarily agree with what you see. It sounds to me like that is what you are saying.


Yeah, like I said...

Well, I have yet to receive a scriptural rebuttal that is not inconsistent with His words in rightly dividing the word of truth in regards to the topic of this discussion.

So where is the Lord's ministry to me by the scripture other than just outright debasement in your post? No edification whatsoever.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

[fastfredy0]

This forum should award "points" for brevity to encourage brevity.

Awards @Carbon 1st "Brevity Award " as in my opinion you tend to keep it short.

Munches

 

[Bigknucklesandhands]

None of the above I believe, he loves us too much……..just don’t blaspheme the Holy Spirit

 

[makesends]

Well, I have yet to receive a scriptural rebuttal that is not inconsistent with His words in rightly dividing the word of truth in regards to the topic of this discussion.

So where is the Lord's ministry to me by the scripture other than just outright debasement in your post? No edification whatsoever.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Ha! You don't try to bite and devour me? Ok.

 

[ChristB4us]

None of the above I believe, he loves us too much……..just don’t blaspheme the Holy Spirit

The only sin the Holy Spirit will convict of is that unforgiveable sin of unbelief.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

When read in context, one can discern what it is that is the sin against the Holy Ghost and that is scattering people from believing in Him; thus they themselves do not believe in Jesus Christ.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Who the Holy Spirit bears witness of and those who reject that Witness are sinning against the Holy Ghost for why those who never believed in Him are cast into hell and the lake of fire.

It should be know that sinners in this life, while they are still living, can believe in Him later on in life & be saved, but now is the time for salvation as death or the rapture can come at any moment.

2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. 2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 

[Bigknucklesandhands]

The only sin the Holy Spirit will convict of is that unforgiveable sin of unbelief.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

When read in context, one can discern what it is that is the sin against the Holy Ghost and that is scattering people from believing in Him; thus they themselves do not believe in Jesus Christ.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Who the Holy Spirit bears witness of and those who reject that Witness are sinning against the Holy Ghost for why those who never believed in Him are cast into hell and the lake of fire.

It should be know that sinners in this life, while they are still living, can believe in Him later on in life & be saved, but now is the time for salvation as death or the rapture can come at any moment.

2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. 2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

I’m sorry but I disagree, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin…….if people choose not to believe in Jesus then he instructs us to wipe the dirt off of our shoes and continue on.

 

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I’m sorry but I disagree, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin…….if people choose not to believe in Jesus then he instructs us to wipe the dirt off of our shoes and continue on.

A young woman, a believer in Jesus Christ, testified that before she was saved, she had sinned against the Holy Ghost. She was worried about it.

I'd say that since she is a believer, she is saved; and testified that it is the sin of unbelief that is the sin against the holy Ghost. Otherwise, why would the Father bother to lead her to the Son to believe in Him if He is not to save her?

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So look at the offense in verse 30 for how Jesus said "Wherefore.." in verse 31 for what that sin against the Holy Ghost was.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Unless you believe you feel free to tell any saved believer that had sinned in such a manner of speaking against the Holy Ghost in that form of blasphemy that you are insinuating between the lines before they were saved, that they are not saved, or any sinner having sinned in that manner and yet inquire if they can still be saved by coming to Jesus Christ, are you going to say no?

Pray about it. As it is, I do not see why the Father bothers to draw them unto the Son to want to be saved by Him if that was the actual unforgiveable sin that you are thinking that it is.