Severed from Christ ?

[Bigknucklesandhands]

The only sin the Holy Spirit will convict of is that unforgiveable sin of unbelief.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

When read in context, one can discern what it is that is the sin against the Holy Ghost and that is scattering people from believing in Him; thus they themselves do not believe in Jesus Christ.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Who the Holy Spirit bears witness of and those who reject that Witness are sinning against the Holy Ghost for why those who never believed in Him are cast into hell and the lake of fire.

It should be know that sinners in this life, while they are still living, can believe in Him later on in life & be saved, but now is the time for salvation as death or the rapture can come at any moment.

2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. 2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

A young woman, a believer in Jesus Christ, testified that before she was saved, she had sinned against the Holy Ghost. She was worried about it.

I'd say that since she is a believer, she is saved; and testified that it is the sin of unbelief that is the sin against the holy Ghost. Otherwise, why would the Father bother to lead her to the Son to believe in Him if He is not to save her?

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So look at the offense in verse 30 for how Jesus said "Wherefore.." in verse 31 for what that sin against the Holy Ghost was.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Unless you believe you feel free to tell any saved believer that had sinned in such a manner of speaking against the Holy Ghost in that form of blasphemy that you are insinuating between the lines before they were saved, that they are not saved, or any sinner having sinned in that manner and yet inquire if they can still be saved by coming to Jesus Christ, are you going to say no?

Pray about it. As it is, I do not see why the Father bothers to draw them unto the Son to want to be saved by Him if that was the actual unforgiveable sin that you are thinking that it is.

A young woman, a believer in Jesus Christ, testified that before she was saved, she had sinned against the Holy Ghost. She was worried about it.

I'd say that since she is a believer, she is saved; and testified that it is the sin of unbelief that is the sin against the holy Ghost. Otherwise, why would the Father bother to lead her to the Son to believe in Him if He is not to save her?

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So look at the offense in verse 30 for how Jesus said "Wherefore.." in verse 31 for what that sin against the Holy Ghost was.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Unless you believe you feel free to tell any saved believer that had sinned in such a manner of speaking against the Holy Ghost in that form of blasphemy that you are insinuating between the lines before they were saved, that they are not saved, or any sinner having sinned in that manner and yet inquire if they can still be saved by coming to Jesus Christ, are you going to say no?

Pray about it. As it is, I do not see why the Father bothers to draw them unto the Son to want to be saved by Him if that was the actual unforgiveable sin that you are thinking that it is.

Mark 3:28–30: "Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven for their sins and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin

 

[makesends]

Well, I have yet to receive a scriptural rebuttal that is not inconsistent with His words in rightly dividing the word of truth in regards to the topic of this discussion.

So where is the Lord's ministry to me by the scripture other than just outright debasement in your post? No edification whatsoever.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Are you Job, to be complaining that the debasement brought upon you is unjustified? This is the nature of these forums: You stick your nose out there, it might get a bit bloodied!

 

[ChristB4us]

Mark 3:28–30: "Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven for their sins and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin

Keep it in context;

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
And why were they saying He had an unclean spirit? What was the purpose for saying that other than to scatter potential believers away from Jesus from believing in Him?

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

The two references is the same account but together, you can ascertain what that sin against the holy Ghost actually is about; by what they say about Jesus to scatter them away from believing in Him because they were rejecting believing in Him themselves.

 

[ChristB4us]

Are you Job, to be complaining that the debasement brought upon you is unjustified? This is the nature of these forums: You stick your nose out there, it might get a bit bloodied!

Well, I can hope in the Lord that I will not return in like manner.

I forgive you. I hope in the Lord that He will make you a better witness as I hope in Him to do the same for me too cause I am not perfect yet either.

Have a blessed day, brother.

 

[Bigknucklesandhands]

Are you Job, to be complaining that the debasement brought upon you is unjustified? This is the nature of these forums: You stick your nose out there, it might get a bit bloodied!

Don’t get angry, just ignore……not worth getting angry about

 

[ChristB4us]

Don’t get angry, just ignore……not worth getting angry about

Thanks for encouraging my brother.

We may be thinking this;

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

But we may both be lacking tact even though this is written that we are to provoke one another to good works.

Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Pray for us both.

I thank the Lord for you.

 

[Eleanor]

@Eleanor

In any iron sharpen iron ministry that is His, both sides should be ready to receive edification or correction for abiding in Him & His words in truth.
It is when we refuse to be wrong or refuse that we were taught wrong is what gets us in the way of receiving correction from Him by His words.

Keep it in context;

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
And why were they saying He had an unclean spirit? What was the purpose for saying that other than to scatter potential believers away from Jesus from believing in Him?

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

The two references is the same account but together, you can ascertain what that sin against the holy Ghost actually is about; by what they say about Jesus to scatter them away from believing in Him because they were rejecting believing in Him themselves.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (Mt 12:31) is attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan (Mt 12:24).

If you assign the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan, then you have shut the door on the very signs God gives to convince you.
You must stop blaspheming the Spirit in order to be convinced by him.
You must stop sinning against the remedy (Lev 17:15-16, Nu 15:30, 19:13, 35:26-27, Jn 3:36, Heb 6:4-6, 10:26), violating that which is given to remedy sin.

 

[Bigknucklesandhands]

Keep it in context;

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
And why were they saying He had an unclean spirit? What was the purpose for saying that other than to scatter potential believers away from Jesus from believing in Him?

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

The two references is the same account but together, you can ascertain what that sin against the holy Ghost actually is about; by what they say about Jesus to scatter them away from believing in Him because they were rejecting believing in Him themselves.

I didn’t take it out of context, you claim that unbelief is the unforgivable sin when it isn’t. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin……..it is written in Mark 3:28–30: "Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven for their sins and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin

So I guess you are taking it out of context by “reading in between the lines”

That isn’t biblical

 

[fastfredy0]

You stick your nose out there, it might get a bit bloodied!

*Pulls his nose in*

 

[Bigknucklesandhands]

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (Mt 12:31) is attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan (Mt 12:24).

If you assign the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan, then you have shut the door on the very signs God gives to convince you.
You must stop blaspheming the Spirit in order to be convicted by him.
You must stop sinning against the remedy (Lev 17:15-16, Nu 15:30, 19:13, 35:26-27, Jn 3:36, Heb 6:4-6, 10:26), violating that which is given

*Pulls his nose in*
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He might get his nose bent!

Thanks for encouraging my brother.

We may be thinking this;

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

But we may both be lacking tact even though this is written that we are to provoke one another to good works.

Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Pray for us both.

I thank the Lord for you.

provoking someone would be a good way to get your nose bent, just saying! Have a blessed day

 

[Eleanor]

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (Mt 12:31) is attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan (Mt 12:24).

If you assign the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan, then you have shut the door on the very signs God gives to convince you.
You must stop blaspheming the Spirit in order to be convinced by him.
You must stop sinning against the remedy (Lev 17:15-16, Nu 15:30, 19:13, 35:26-27, Jn 3:36, Heb 6:4-6, 10:26), violating that which is given to remedy sin.

He might get his nose bent!
provoking someone would be a good way to get your nose bent, just saying! Have a blessed day

Response?

 

[Bigknucklesandhands]

Response?

Mark 3:28–30: "Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven for their sins and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin

 

[Bigknucklesandhands]

Thanks for encouraging my brother.

We may be thinking this;

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

But we may both be lacking tact even though this is written that we are to provoke one another to good works.

Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Pray for us both.

I thank the Lord for you.

Galatations 5:26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

 

[ChristB4us]

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (Mt 12:31) is attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan (Mt 12:24).

If you assign the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan, then you have shut the door on the very signs God gives to convince you.
You must stop blaspheming the Spirit in order to be convinced by him.
You must stop sinning against the remedy (Lev 17:15-16, Nu 15:30, 19:13, 35:26-27, Jn 3:36, Heb 6:4-6, 10:26), violating that which is given to remedy sin.

@Bigknucklesandhands & @fastfredy0 & @makesends

If you are a believer in Jesus Christ then where is the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost?

And if mediums speak in gibberish supernatural tongue per Isaiah 8:19 before Pentecost came with God's gift of tongues to speak unto the people 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 and not to serve as a sign to any believer but to the unbelievers 1 Corinthians 14:22, then that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues as hyped in that Welsh Revival 1904-1905 & Azusa Street Revival in 1906-1909 is an apostate calling in seeking to receive Jesus Christ by a sign and committing spiritual adultery per Matthew 12:38-40 as those in the church at Thyatira were warned to repent or else be cast into the bed of the great tribulation to be judged with physical death per Revelation 2:18-25.

That means God's gift of tongues can never be for private use; 1 Corinthians 12:4-21

So if those who attribute the works of Satan like that tongue of gibberish nonsense per Isaiah 8:19 as assuming that was the Holy Ghost, is that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost? If so, then why would Jesus ask that church at Thyatira to repent or else be left behind?

So you guys need to reassess how you are applying His words to mean about what that sin is that is speaking against the Holy Ghost about.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
And why were they saying He had an unclean spirit? What was the purpose for saying that other than to scatter potential believers away from Jesus from believing in Him?

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

The two references is the same account but together, you can ascertain what that sin against the holy Ghost actually is about; by what they say about Jesus to scatter them away from believing in Him because they were rejecting believing in Him themselves.

As it is; you have to discern; YOU HAVE TO TEST THE SPIRITS WITH THE LORD'S HELP

Is the holy laughter movement of God?

Is Pensacola Outpouring of God?

Is Toronto's Blessings is of God?

Is being drunk in the spirit of God?

is being slain in the spirit of God?

And yet God is not the AUTHOR OF CONFUSION

 

[Bigknucklesandhands]

@Bigknucklesandhands & @fastfredy0 & @makesends

If you are a believer in Jesus Christ then where is the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost?

And if mediums speak in gibberish supernatural tongue per Isaiah 8:19 before Pentecost came with God's gift of tongues to speak unto the people 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 and not to serve as a sign to any believer but to the unbelievers 1 Corinthians 14:22, then that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues as hyped in that Welsh Revival 1904-1905 & Azusa Street Revival in 1906-1909 is an apostate calling in seeking to receive Jesus Christ by a sign and committing spiritual adultery per Matthew 12:38-40 as those in the church at Thyatira were warned to repent or else be cast into the bed of the great tribulation to be judged with physical death per Revelation 2:18-25.

That means God's gift of tongues can never be for private use; 1 Corinthians 12:4-21

So if those who attribute the works of Satan like that tongue of gibberish nonsense per Isaiah 8:19 as assuming that was the Holy Ghost, is that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost? If so, then why would Jesus ask that church at Thyatira to repent or else be left behind?

So you guys need to reassess how you are applying His words to mean about what that sin is that is speaking against the Holy Ghost about.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
And why were they saying He had an unclean spirit? What was the purpose for saying that other than to scatter potential believers away from Jesus from believing in Him?

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

The two references is the same account but together, you can ascertain what that sin against the holy Ghost actually is about; by what they say about Jesus to scatter them away from believing in Him because they were rejecting believing in Him themselves.

As it is; you have to discern; YOU HAVE TO TEST THE SPIRITS WITH THE LORD'S HELP

Is the holy laughter movement of God?

Is Pensacola Outpouring of God?

Is Toronto's Blessings is of God?

Is being drunk in the spirit of God?

is being slain in the spirit of God?

And yet God is not the AUTHOR OF CONFUSION

It’s a warning, if you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit you will NOT be forgiven of that.

 

[Eleanor]

@Bigknucklesandhands & @fastfredy0 & @makesends

If you are a believer in Jesus Christ then where is the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost?

I give up. Where?

 

[Bigknucklesandhands]

I give up. Where?

It’s a warning, it’s like your parents telling you not to do something and you do it anyway.

Jesus wants us to repent of our sins, but we can’t be forgiven if we blaspheme the Holy Spirit…….everything else can be forgiven.

I’m not sure why this is confusing y’all, it’s a very serious warning.

But I’ve read somewhere that if you are a born again believer and you are worried that you’ve committed that sin then it’s probably safe to say that you haven’t…..

Personally I would not want to willingly do that because I care about the Holy Spirit and it’s a gift to me

 

[Eleanor]

It’s a warning, it’s like your parents telling you not to do something and you do it anyway.
Jesus wants us to repent of our sins, but we can’t be forgiven if we blaspheme the Holy Spirit…….everything else can be forgiven.
I’m not sure why this is confusing y’all, it’s a very serious warning.
But I’ve read somewhere that if you are a born again believer and you are worried that you’ve committed that sin then it’s probably safe to say that you haven’t…..
Personally I would not want to willingly do that because I care about the Holy Spirit and it’s a gift to me

That is a statement of Jesus to unbelievers.

Believers don't attribute the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan, which is the meaning of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

 

[Bigknucklesandhands]

That is a statement of Jesus to unbelievers.

Believers don't attribute the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan, which is the meaning of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Okay well he’s saying that unbelief is the unforgivable sin, I believe your statement to be true but I also believe it was directed to someone saved more so.

Because if you don’t believe on the name of Jesus then none of your sins will be forgiven because Jesus died on the cross, it’s through him that we are forgiven

 

[ChristB4us]

Galatations 5:26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Well compare the provocation then. Was his done with reproof by scriptures or was he just posting a comment to disparage me?

Was my reply done to provoke him to be a better brother with scripture or not?