The Gospel of Christ!! What is it??

[atpollard]

Why not include Romans 10:5-8?

He appeared to be looking for brevity.

Are Romans 10:5-8 ESSENTIAL to understanding Romans 10:9-10 as the "Good News"?

 

[atpollard]

need more detail

Then read post #8 ...

 

[atpollard]

Is that the complete gospel?

Yes.

nothing about the death

Romans 10:9-10 [CSB] If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth, resulting in salvation.

• Something about death.

and resurrection

Romans 10:9-10 [CSB] If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth, resulting in salvation.

• Something about resurrection.

or repentance

Romans 10:9-10 [CSB] If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth, resulting in salvation.

• Something about repentance: "repentance" is a change in direction for your living and thinking. Confessing and believing are actions that one takes because of a change of heart and mind.

so that is not part of the gospel?

Romans 10:9-10 [CSB] If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth, resulting in salvation.

• Being saved and being righteous sounds like "GOOD NEWS" (Gospel) to me.

 

[Soyeong]

He appeared to be looking for brevity.

Are Romans 10:5-8 ESSENTIAL to understanding Romans 10:9-10 as the "Good News"?

Indeed, it is essential because referencing Deuteronomy 30:11-16 as the word of faith that we proclaim informs us that God's law is not too difficult obey, that obedience to it brings life, what we are submitting to obey by confessing that Jesus Lord, and what it means to believe that God raised him from the dead.

 

[Sereni-tea]

Is there a place in the new testament where I can see this gospel preached?

Peter's sermon at Pentecost recorded in Acts 2:14-41 is a good place to start.

 

[Sereni-tea]

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Torah is how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of Christ, which is in accordance with the same Gospel that Peter and Paul taught (Acts 2:38, Romans 15:18-19). So the Gospel that Jesus, Peter, and Paul taught is the one that you identified as another Gospel. The problem that they had with the Judaizers was not that they were teaching Gentiles to believe in the Gospel of Christ. It is contradictory to have faith in God instead of having faith in what He has instructed.


In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Torah (Acts 21:20), which is in accordance with the Gospel that Jesus, Peter, and Paul taught.


Obedience to God's word is the way to believe in God's word made flesh, which is why he also said that obedience to the Torah is the way to enter eternal life (Matthew 19:17, Luke 10:25-28).


Indeed, everything that Jesus did was in according to the Scriptures, including fulfilling the Torah by spending his ministry teaching how to correctly obey it by word by example. Understanding what the OT is about does not involve rejecting what it instructs.

Through faith in Christ we are set free from sin and death. Therefore, yes, indeed we are called to repentance. We are to live a life worthy of our calling. But this is not what Paul was saying was another Gospel. Repentance is of course necessary for both Jews and Gentile who come to faith in Christ. But this is not to be put under the Jewish laws. Rather Jesus summed up our calling as "love God and love others".

I agree that it is important to understand the OT as we cannot understand Christ's death and resurrection without it.

 

[Soyeong]

Through faith in Christ we are set free from sin and death. Therefore, yes, indeed we are called to repentance. We are to live a life worthy of our calling. But this is not what Paul was saying was another Gospel. Repentance is of course necessary for both Jews and Gentile who come to faith in Christ. But this is not to be put under the Jewish laws. Rather Jesus summed up our calling as "love God and love others".

I agree that it is important to understand the OT as we cannot understand Christ's death and resurrection without it.

In Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death, so he equated the Torah with the Law of the Spirit, which straightforwardly make sense because the Torah was given by God and the Spirit is God. Furthermore, in Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Torah.

If it is by the Torah that we have knowledge of what sin is, then why do you not consider repenting from our sin to be under the Torah? A sum is not more or less than all of its parts. In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus said that all of the other commandments hang on the greatest two, so if you think that we should obey the greatest two commandments, then you should also think that we should obey all of the commandments that hang on them. For example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, idolatry, kidnapping, rape, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the commandments. In Matthew 24:12-14, Jesus said that because of lawlessness the love of many will grow cold, which does not leave any room for thinking that we just need to obey the command to love at the exclusion of the other commandments for how to love.

 

[Sereni-tea]

In Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death, so he equated the Torah with the Law of the Spirit, which straightforwardly make sense because the Torah was given by God and the Spirit is God. Furthermore, in Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Torah.

If it is by the Torah that we have knowledge of what sin is, then why do you not consider repenting from our sin to be under the Torah? A sum is not more or less than all of its parts. In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus said that all of the other commandments hang on the greatest two, so if you think that we should obey the greatest two commandments, then you should also think that we should obey all of the commandments that hang on them. For example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, idolatry, kidnapping, rape, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the commandments. In Matthew 24:12-14, Jesus said that because of lawlessness the love of many will grow cold, which does not leave any room for thinking that we just need to obey the command to love at the exclusion of the other commandments for how to love.

We are under grace not the Torah.

 

[Soyeong]

We are under grace not the Torah.

In Psalms 119:29 and Exodus 33:13, they wanted God to be gracious to them by teaching them to obey the Torah, so that is what it means to be under grace, yet you want God to be gracious to you instead of teaching you to obey the Torah.

 

[atpollard]

Indeed, it is essential because referencing Deuteronomy 30:11-16 as the word of faith that we proclaim informs us that God's law is not too difficult obey, that obedience to it brings life, what we are submitting to obey by confessing that Jesus Lord, and what it means to believe that God raised him from the dead.

I disagree ... See post #23.

 

[Soyeong]

I disagree ... See post #23.

Post #23 doesn't say anything that disagrees with what I said, but rather what I said informs how we should understand post #23.

 

[prism]

Indeed, it is essential because referencing Deuteronomy 30:11-16 as the word of faith that we proclaim informs us that God's law is not too difficult obey, that obedience to it brings life, what we are submitting to obey by confessing that Jesus Lord, and what it means to believe that God raised him from the dead.

God's law has been written on the hearts of born again (regenerated believers). We have a desire to please Him in all things. But to seek our justification from the law would be disastrous...

James 2:10 NKJV
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

Jesus is my full Torah keeper.

 

[Soyeong]

God's law has been written on the hearts of born again (regenerated believers). We have a desire to please Him in all things. But to seek our justification from the law would be disastrous...

While Paul denied that we can earn our justification as a wage by having first obeyed God's law (Romans 4:1-5), he also said that only doers of the law will be justified (Romans 2:13), so there is a reason why our justification requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn it as a wage, namely faith insofar as the faith by which we are justified also uphold our need to obey it (Romans 3:31).

James 2:10 NKJV
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who had already sinned by showing favoritism, so he was not telling them that now they won't be justified by it, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to obey it more consistently.

Jesus is my full Torah keeper.

Nowhere does the Bible state that Jesus is our full Torah keeper, but rather he kept it so that we would have an example to follow and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22).

 

[prism]

While Paul denied that we can earn our justification as a wage by having first obeyed God's law (Romans 4:1-5), he also said that only doers of the law will be justified (Romans 2:13), so there is a reason why our justification requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn it as a wage, namely faith insofar as the faith by which we are justified also uphold our need to obey it (Romans 3:31).

First, in Rom 2:13, Paul is in the middle of making his case that there are no 'doers of the law', culminating in Rom 3:10 with 'there is none righteous, no not one' (Rom 3:10).
Anyone attempting to be justified by the law is under a curse. (Gal 3:13).
Rom 3:31 has nothing to do with 'obeying the law, except when, by faith, we believe in Jesus' obedience in our stead, we uphold the law because we magnify the One who is Righteous, rather than magnify our selves in our feeble law keeping.

In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who had already sinned by showing favoritism, so he was not telling them that now they won't be justified by it, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to obey it more consistently.

So, your stance is that a man can be justified by law keeping? (Even though myriads of passages say otherwise)

Nowhere does the Bible state that Jesus is our full Torah keeper, but rather he kept it so that we would have an example to follow and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22).

Likewise, nowhere does Scripture say we are saved by His example, rather...


Romans 8:3-4 BSB
For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh, [4] so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

If you know what was behind a spotless lamb in Israel's sacrificial system, you would understand Jesus having redeemed us due to his law keeping...

1 Peter 1:18-19 CSB
For you know that you were redeemed from your empty way of life inherited from your ancestors, not with perishable things like silver or gold, [19] but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of an unblemished and spotless lamb.

 

[Red Baker]

Galatians 1:6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

10 For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

My question is what is the gospel that they have preached to us?
Who is the we?
Is Peter and Paul preaching the same gospel or different gospels?
Can this gospel be found in the bible?
Book Chapter and verse?

I know what you are after, why play the mind game~just go ahead to Acts 2:28 and I will meet you there.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Lets skip Acts 2:38 and go straight to Acts 19;1-5 where Paul validates that the spirit is indeed given through the baptism in the name of Christ (Acts 2:38) when he corrected the baptism of the Ephesians.

 

[Eleanor]

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Gal. 1:6–10.

Two different Greek words translated by one English word "another."

Strong's: [G#2087] "another" (vs. 6)
Greek Word: ἕτερος
Transliteration: heteros
Meaning: other or different.
Application: you have five ink pens. They are all five ink pens but each one is a Bic, Pentel, Parker, Cross, and a Paper Mate. Five ink pens of a different kind.

Strong's: [G#243] "another" (vs. 7)
Greek Word: ἄλλος
Transliteration: allos
Meaning: a primary word; “else,” i.e. different (in many applications)
Application: You have five ink pens. All five are Bic ink pens. Five Bic ink pens of the same kind.

Saul/Paul was a Pharisee in the Jewish Sanhedrin. He was a priest in the Jews religion.

Back to the drawing board.

Only the tribe of Levi were priests. Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Back to the drawing board.

Only the tribe of Levi were priests. Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin.

I stand corrected.
Saul was not a priest.

 

[prism]

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need more detail please

Chapters one and two and the first half of three, have concluded all men under sin and without hope.
Starting from chap 3:21 to the end gives the clear Gospel of the atonement including the provision of forgiveness.

1Cor 15 gives the Gospel in concise terms...

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 LSB
Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed as good news to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, [2] by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I proclaimed to you as good news, unless you believed for nothing. [3] For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, [4] and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

Whereas Romans 2-3 is a detailed explanation of the Gospel.

It's sort of rude to inquire and ignore.

 

[Godslittleservant]

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It's sort of rude to inquire and ignore.

sorry got caught up in life but yes in agreement with this