Saved in Eternity or at Calvary?

[VCO]

Could you please restate your question? Take your time.

Pictures would help,
but I don't remember how.
But I found a new way, from Microsoft.

Yeah, I found an example that turned out better.
Now if you can tell me how I can get that on, the list in black, I will be set. Parts of my memory are gone for good. Feel free to copy that above to do Snipping.

 

[prism]

Pictures would help,
but I don't remember how.
But I found a new way, from Microsoft.
View attachment 765

Yeah, I found an example that turned out better.
Now if you can tell me how I can get that on, the list in black, I will be set. Parts of my memory are gone for good. Feel free to copy that above to do Snipping.

Usually you have to be alert and click on the box that pops up on the lower right, then click on the disc to save.

 

[donadams]

No that was a question:

Commandments n Matt 20:20 and acts 1:2

What are they?
Then I said scripture don’t say!

I know we are not saved!


Redeemed yes!

Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Colossians 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Hebrews 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Members of Christ and His church? Yes! (Communion of saints)

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

1 cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Union with God and His saints by the grace of Christ the mediator of the covenant.

Abiding in Christ? Yes!
Jn 15:4 abide in me

Saved? No!
Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13
He who endures to the end (death) shall be saved.

Which verse do you reject?

 

[donadams]

What in the Catholic doctrines of men is the difference between those to.
What is redemption and how do we get redeemed?
What is salvation and how do we get saved?

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace applied to our souls in the sacraments, prayer, virtue and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Glorification:

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

 

[donadams]

Ok I read it. It does not make sola scriptura without effect so that you can keep the oral tradition heresy of dying mankind .

There is no defence against the sword of the Spirit (sola scriptura) the living abiding word of God .

Says baptism now saves you

 

[donadams]

What in the Catholic doctrines of men is the difference between those to.
What is redemption and how do we get redeemed?
What is salvation and how do we get saved?

Saved refers to salvation as a whole or just a part of the processes of salvation

Example eph 2:8 saved refers to redemption

 

[Arial]

Saved refers to salvation as a whole or just a part of the processes of salvation

Example eph 2:8 saved refers to redemption

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

It specifically says salvation and is part and parcel of everything that was said before it.

1. Dead in trespasses and sins.
2.God made us alive together with Christ---by grace you have been saved.
3. Raised up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places IN Christ Jesus.

And the "you" and "us" are those Paul is writing to. Believers.

Christ did not redeem every individual in the world as you stated in another post. If He had, there would be no reason for faith, or grace, or anything else. Do you not know what redeem means? A person is only saved through His act of redemption---standing in our stead---and if a person has been redeemed, he has been saved. And that comes through faith which is a gift of God, not the RCC, to all those who the Father gives to Christ. The two are not separate from one another but distinct. Jesus is the Redeemer, those with faith are the redeemed, and they are redeemed unto salvation. Not potential salvation dependant upon our good works and good morals, or baptism, or the Eucharist, or the pope, or the Catholic church.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I lean towards Calvary (Incarnation) but many lean towards eternity (predestination).
Are you dogmatic or leaning one way or another? Which 'n why?

One is "Saved" at such time as they are cleansed of their SIN by FAITH That God gifts, and indwelled by the Holy Spirit. Physical death, then results in their entry into Heaven.

 

[Mr GLee]

Says baptism now saves you

What does it save you from Limbo. What does water represent?

 

[donadams]

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

It specifically says salvation and is part and parcel of everything that was said before it.

1. Dead in trespasses and sins.
2.God made us alive together with Christ---by grace you have been saved.
3. Raised up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places IN Christ Jesus.

And the "you" and "us" are those Paul is writing to. Believers.

Christ did not redeem every individual in the world as you stated in another post. If He had, there would be no reason for faith, or grace, or anything else. Do you not know what redeem means? A person is only saved through His act of redemption---standing in our stead---and if a person has been redeemed, he has been saved. And that comes through faith which is a gift of God, not the RCC, to all those who the Father gives to Christ. The two are not separate from one another but distinct. Jesus is the Redeemer, those with faith are the redeemed, and they are redeemed unto salvation. Not potential salvation dependant upon our good works and good morals, or baptism, or the Eucharist, or the pope, or the Catholic church.

You forgot devotion to Mary the immaculate mother of God!

 

[donadams]

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

It specifically says salvation and is part and parcel of everything that was said before it.

1. Dead in trespasses and sins.
2.God made us alive together with Christ---by grace you have been saved.
3. Raised up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places IN Christ Jesus.

And the "you" and "us" are those Paul is writing to. Believers.

Christ did not redeem every individual in the world as you stated in another post. If He had, there would be no reason for faith, or grace, or anything else. Do you not know what redeem means? A person is only saved through His act of redemption---standing in our stead---and if a person has been redeemed, he has been saved. And that comes through faith which is a gift of God, not the RCC, to all those who the Father gives to Christ. The two are not separate from one another but distinct. Jesus is the Redeemer, those with faith are the redeemed, and they are redeemed unto salvation. Not potential salvation dependant upon our good works and good morals, or baptism, or the Eucharist, or the pope, or the Catholic church.

Really the Christian sacrament of water baptism is not required to put on Christ or have salvation?

 

[Arial]

You forgot devotion to Mary the immaculate mother of God!

That is a doctrine of men that has zero support in the Bible, therefore I did not forget it, I never believed it. I learn truth from the word of God, not the RCC with its doctrines and traditions of men.

 

[donadams]

What does it save you from Limbo. What does water represent?

Grace

 

[donadams]

That is a doctrine of men that has zero support in the Bible, therefore I did not forget it, I never believed it. I learn truth from the word of God, not the RCC with its doctrines and traditions of men.

What is the “word of God”?
Or
What constitutes the word of God?
What is its limitations?

I assume you don’t believe scripture which says we must be taught my the apostolic church!

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:2

Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

Where do you get authority to decide doctrine for yourself?
Or hold a council and settle matters of faith and practice for Christians?

 

[Arial]

What is the “word of God”?
Or
What constitutes the word of God?
What is its limitations?

Gen through Rev. It has limits but no limitation.

I assume you don’t believe scripture which says we must be taught my the apostolic church!

That is not true. What I don't believe is that the RCC is the apostolic church. The only witness that it is is the RCC itself. That is no evidence at all. That is the testimony of corrupt men.

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:2

There is no perpetual consent of the Catholic Church, and Christ would never command any such thing. Leave your idol.

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

That selfish, unbiblical, tradition of corrupt men, is what sparked the Reformation in the first place. I hate to tell you this but the gates of hell will not prevail against His church----the foundation laid by the twelve and Paul, built upon the Chief Cornerstone, and made up of living stones, those the Father gives to Christ the Redeemer who gave His own life in the place of His people, in order to reconcile them to the Most Holy God. Utterly and not piecemeal. Jesus doesn't need a thing from man. Not their traditions, not their liturgies, not their Eucharist, not baptism, not penance, not good works. NOthing. He alone saves and saves utterly those He died for, the very ones the Father gave Him before the foundation of the world.

Where do you get authority to decide doctrine for yourself?
Or hold a council and settle matters of faith and practice for Christians?

What doctrine I decide, or that anyone else does, is not authority. But we do have that RIGHT. The Scriptures are complete. They are not continually being rewritten or added to. They settle matters as to faith and practice, regardless of whether or not someone or some congregation interprets them correctly or puts them into practice. Leave your idol made of gold and silver and law and tyranny, and falsehood, and traditions of men.

 

[donadams]

Gen through Rev. It has limits but no limitation.

That is not true. What I don't believe is that the RCC is the apostolic church. The only witness that it is is the RCC itself. That is no evidence at all. That is the testimony of corrupt men.

There is no perpetual consent of the Catholic Church, and Christ would never command any such thing. Leave your idol.

That selfish, unbiblical, tradition of corrupt men, is what sparked the Reformation in the first place. I hate to tell you this but the gates of hell will not prevail against His church----the foundation laid by the twelve and Paul, built upon the Chief Cornerstone, and made up of living stones, those the Father gives to Christ the Redeemer who gave His own life in the place of His people, in order to reconcile them to the Most Holy God. Utterly and not piecemeal. Jesus doesn't need a thing from man. Not their traditions, not their liturgies, not their Eucharist, not baptism, not penance, not good works. NOthing. He alone saves and saves utterly those He died for, the very ones the Father gave Him before the foundation of the world.

What doctrine I decide, or that anyone else does, is not authority. But we do have that RIGHT. The Scriptures are complete. They are not continually being rewritten or added to. They settle matters as to faith and practice, regardless of whether or not someone or some congregation interprets them correctly or puts them into practice. Leave your idol made of gold and silver and law and tyranny, and falsehood, and traditions of men.

Gen thru rev are you going to stick to that?
All 73 books including Dan 13 & 14?
And how do you know?

 

[donadams]

Gen through Rev. It has limits but no limitation.

That is not true. What I don't believe is that the RCC is the apostolic church. The only witness that it is is the RCC itself. That is no evidence at all. That is the testimony of corrupt men.

There is no perpetual consent of the Catholic Church, and Christ would never command any such thing. Leave your idol.

That selfish, unbiblical, tradition of corrupt men, is what sparked the Reformation in the first place. I hate to tell you this but the gates of hell will not prevail against His church----the foundation laid by the twelve and Paul, built upon the Chief Cornerstone, and made up of living stones, those the Father gives to Christ the Redeemer who gave His own life in the place of His people, in order to reconcile them to the Most Holy God. Utterly and not piecemeal. Jesus doesn't need a thing from man. Not their traditions, not their liturgies, not their Eucharist, not baptism, not penance, not good works. NOthing. He alone saves and saves utterly those He died for, the very ones the Father gave Him before the foundation of the world.

What doctrine I decide, or that anyone else does, is not authority. But we do have that RIGHT. The Scriptures are complete. They are not continually being rewritten or added to. They settle matters as to faith and practice, regardless of whether or not someone or some congregation interprets them correctly or puts them into practice. Leave your idol made of gold and silver and law and tyranny, and falsehood, and traditions of men.

We agree we must be taught, and by the apostolic church good now if not the rcc then what is?

 

[donadams]

Gen through Rev. It has limits but no limitation.

That is not true. What I don't believe is that the RCC is the apostolic church. The only witness that it is is the RCC itself. That is no evidence at all. That is the testimony of corrupt men.

There is no perpetual consent of the Catholic Church, and Christ would never command any such thing. Leave your idol.

That selfish, unbiblical, tradition of corrupt men, is what sparked the Reformation in the first place. I hate to tell you this but the gates of hell will not prevail against His church----the foundation laid by the twelve and Paul, built upon the Chief Cornerstone, and made up of living stones, those the Father gives to Christ the Redeemer who gave His own life in the place of His people, in order to reconcile them to the Most Holy God. Utterly and not piecemeal. Jesus doesn't need a thing from man. Not their traditions, not their liturgies, not their Eucharist, not baptism, not penance, not good works. NOthing. He alone saves and saves utterly those He died for, the very ones the Father gave Him before the foundation of the world.

What doctrine I decide, or that anyone else does, is not authority. But we do have that RIGHT. The Scriptures are complete. They are not continually being rewritten or added to. They settle matters as to faith and practice, regardless of whether or not someone or some congregation interprets them correctly or puts them into practice. Leave your idol made of gold and silver and law and tyranny, and falsehood, and traditions of men.

Please tell me what are the commandments in Matt 28:19 and acts 1:8?

 

[donadams]

Gen through Rev. It has limits but no limitation.

That is not true. What I don't believe is that the RCC is the apostolic church. The only witness that it is is the RCC itself. That is no evidence at all. That is the testimony of corrupt men.

There is no perpetual consent of the Catholic Church, and Christ would never command any such thing. Leave your idol.

That selfish, unbiblical, tradition of corrupt men, is what sparked the Reformation in the first place. I hate to tell you this but the gates of hell will not prevail against His church----the foundation laid by the twelve and Paul, built upon the Chief Cornerstone, and made up of living stones, those the Father gives to Christ the Redeemer who gave His own life in the place of His people, in order to reconcile them to the Most Holy God. Utterly and not piecemeal. Jesus doesn't need a thing from man. Not their traditions, not their liturgies, not their Eucharist, not baptism, not penance, not good works. NOthing. He alone saves and saves utterly those He died for, the very ones the Father gave Him before the foundation of the world.

What doctrine I decide, or that anyone else does, is not authority. But we do have that RIGHT. The Scriptures are complete. They are not continually being rewritten or added to. They settle matters as to faith and practice, regardless of whether or not someone or some congregation interprets them correctly or puts them into practice. Leave your idol made of gold and silver and law and tyranny, and falsehood, and traditions of men.

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

 

[donadams]

Gen through Rev. It has limits but no limitation.

That is not true. What I don't believe is that the RCC is the apostolic church. The only witness that it is is the RCC itself. That is no evidence at all. That is the testimony of corrupt men.

There is no perpetual consent of the Catholic Church, and Christ would never command any such thing. Leave your idol.

That selfish, unbiblical, tradition of corrupt men, is what sparked the Reformation in the first place. I hate to tell you this but the gates of hell will not prevail against His church----the foundation laid by the twelve and Paul, built upon the Chief Cornerstone, and made up of living stones, those the Father gives to Christ the Redeemer who gave His own life in the place of His people, in order to reconcile them to the Most Holy God. Utterly and not piecemeal. Jesus doesn't need a thing from man. Not their traditions, not their liturgies, not their Eucharist, not baptism, not penance, not good works. NOthing. He alone saves and saves utterly those He died for, the very ones the Father gave Him before the foundation of the world.

What doctrine I decide, or that anyone else does, is not authority. But we do have that RIGHT. The Scriptures are complete. They are not continually being rewritten or added to. They settle matters as to faith and practice, regardless of whether or not someone or some congregation interprets them correctly or puts them into practice. Leave your idol made of gold and silver and law and tyranny, and falsehood, and traditions of men.

“Scripture is the only authority”!

Where does scripture say to reject Christ, his church, his revelation, his authorized ministers and have quote reformation???

The time of reformation was when Christ founded the new & eternal covenant church from the mosaic covenant! Heb 9:10 not the 16th century in Germany!

The New Testament is the blood of Christ! 1 cor 11:25