Saved in Eternity or at Calvary?

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“Scripture is the only authority”!

As to Christian doctrine, God, Christ, sorterology, grace, truth, yes it is. You post this with an exclamation mark as though you agree, instead of a question. I am puzzled as to why you would say here that you agree when all your posts on the subject deny sola scriptura and take authority of interpretation for themselves (the RCC.) It is the only religion or denomination that does that. Scripture interprets itself---meaning it remains consistent within itself, and things that are clear shed light on things that are not as clear. It is the work of God through the Holy Spirit at work in those He has given to Christ, to bring about His purposes. (Php 2:12-13; Eph 2:10)

Prov 2:6 For the Lord gives wisdom; and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.

James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask Fid, wo gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

Neh 9:20 You gave YOur good Spirit to instruch them, your manna You did not withhold from their mouth, and You gave them water for their thirst.

1 John 2:27 As for ou, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, abide in Him.

Do you not see what Scripture says about it? Do you not see that the RCC has taken the place of God? Or perhaps it calls itself the Holy Spirit as Christian Science does.

 

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Where does scripture say to reject Christ, his church, his revelation, his authorized ministers and have quote reformation???

It doesn't say that. Protestantism rejects the RCC, not Christ. The RCC is not Christ. P'ism does not reject His church. The RCC is not His church. The RCC replaces Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and their work, with itself. The RCC and its holy father pope, bishops traditions etc. are not His authorized ministers. If they were they would not be teaching all the antichrist, made up traditions and doctrines of men that it does. The RCC was in dire need of reformation and it refused. Surely you are not so blind as to not be able to see that, should you look at history. But maybe looking at its own history is annethama in the RCC. I guess the pope could issue that fiat, call it God, and ex communicate all caught looking at it or possessing it, since they can no longer behead, burn, hang, decapitate, anyone anymore.

The time of reformation was when Christ founded the new & eternal covenant church from the mosaic covenant! Heb 9:10 not the 16th century in Germany!

There can be and has been need of other reformations.

The New Testament is the blood of Christ! 1 cor 11:25

The blood of Christ is the blood of the New Covenant. It was only shed once.

 

[donadams]

As to Christian doctrine, God, Christ, sorterology, grace, truth, yes it is. You post this with an exclamation mark as though you agree, instead of a question. I am puzzled as to why you would say here that you agree when all your posts on the subject deny sola scriptura and take authority of interpretation for themselves (the RCC.) It is the only religion or denomination that does that. Scripture interprets itself---meaning it remains consistent within itself, and things that are clear shed light on things that are not as clear. It is the work of God through the Holy Spirit at work in those He has given to Christ, to bring about His purposes. (Php 2:12-13; Eph 2:10)

Prov 2:6 For the Lord gives wisdom; and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.

James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask Fid, wo gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

Neh 9:20 You gave YOur good Spirit to instruch them, your manna You did not withhold from their mouth, and You gave them water for their thirst.

1 John 2:27 As for ou, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, abide in Him.

Do you not see what Scripture says about it? Do you not see that the RCC has taken the place of God? Or perhaps it calls itself the Holy Spirit as Christian Science does.

Yes should be question mark

If scripture was the only authority it would first list all scripture do we can know what is sacred scripture and what is not?

Cannot be scripture alone and Christ founding the church to teach all men! Impossible! Matt 28:19

When did the heavens become scripture? Psalm 19:1

 

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Yes should be question mark

If scripture was the only authority it would first list all scripture do we can know what is sacred scripture and what is not?

Cannot be scripture alone and Christ founding the church to teach all men! Impossible! Matt 28:19

When did the heavens become scripture? Psalm 19:1

What do you think sola scriptura means?

 

[donadams]

As to Christian doctrine, God, Christ, sorterology, grace, truth, yes it is. You post this with an exclamation mark as though you agree, instead of a question. I am puzzled as to why you would say here that you agree when all your posts on the subject deny sola scriptura and take authority of interpretation for themselves (the RCC.) It is the only religion or denomination that does that. Scripture interprets itself---meaning it remains consistent within itself, and things that are clear shed light on things that are not as clear. It is the work of God through the Holy Spirit at work in those He has given to Christ, to bring about His purposes. (Php 2:12-13; Eph 2:10)

Prov 2:6 For the Lord gives wisdom; and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.

James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask Fid, wo gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

Neh 9:20 You gave YOur good Spirit to instruch them, your manna You did not withhold from their mouth, and You gave them water for their thirst.

1 John 2:27 As for ou, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, abide in Him.

Do you not see what Scripture says about it? Do you not see that the RCC has taken the place of God? Or perhaps it calls itself the Holy Spirit as Christian Science does.

Do you believe joseph is father of Jesus? Jn 1:25 or the virgin birth? Matt 1:

As to Christian doctrine, God, Christ, sorterology, grace, truth, yes it is. You post this with an exclamation mark as though you agree, instead of a question. I am puzzled as to why you would say here that you agree when all your posts on the subject deny sola scriptura and take authority of interpretation for themselves (the RCC.) It is the only religion or denomination that does that. Scripture interprets itself---meaning it remains consistent within itself, and things that are clear shed light on things that are not as clear. It is the work of God through the Holy Spirit at work in those He has given to Christ, to bring about His purposes. (Php 2:12-13; Eph 2:10)

Prov 2:6 For the Lord gives wisdom; and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.

James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask Fid, wo gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

Neh 9:20 You gave YOur good Spirit to instruch them, your manna You did not withhold from their mouth, and You gave them water for their thirst.

1 John 2:27 As for ou, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, abide in Him.

Do you not see what Scripture says about it? Do you not see that the RCC has taken the place of God? Or perhaps it calls itself the Holy Spirit as Christian Science does.

“according to scripture alone”

Do you believe
St. Joseph is the father of Jesus?
Jn 1:45
Or the virgin birth? Isa 7:14 Matt 1:20
Or both?

 

[donadams]

As to Christian doctrine, God, Christ, sorterology, grace, truth, yes it is. You post this with an exclamation mark as though you agree, instead of a question. I am puzzled as to why you would say here that you agree when all your posts on the subject deny sola scriptura and take authority of interpretation for themselves (the RCC.) It is the only religion or denomination that does that. Scripture interprets itself---meaning it remains consistent within itself, and things that are clear shed light on things that are not as clear. It is the work of God through the Holy Spirit at work in those He has given to Christ, to bring about His purposes. (Php 2:12-13; Eph 2:10)

Prov 2:6 For the Lord gives wisdom; and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.

James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask Fid, wo gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

Neh 9:20 You gave YOur good Spirit to instruch them, your manna You did not withhold from their mouth, and You gave them water for their thirst.

1 John 2:27 As for ou, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, abide in Him.

Do you not see what Scripture says about it? Do you not see that the RCC has taken the place of God? Or perhaps it calls itself the Holy Spirit as Christian Science does.

According to scripture alone what is the second of the Ten Commandments or any for that matter?

 

[donadams]

As to Christian doctrine, God, Christ, sorterology, grace, truth, yes it is. You post this with an exclamation mark as though you agree, instead of a question. I am puzzled as to why you would say here that you agree when all your posts on the subject deny sola scriptura and take authority of interpretation for themselves (the RCC.) It is the only religion or denomination that does that. Scripture interprets itself---meaning it remains consistent within itself, and things that are clear shed light on things that are not as clear. It is the work of God through the Holy Spirit at work in those He has given to Christ, to bring about His purposes. (Php 2:12-13; Eph 2:10)

Prov 2:6 For the Lord gives wisdom; and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.

James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask Fid, wo gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

Neh 9:20 You gave YOur good Spirit to instruch them, your manna You did not withhold from their mouth, and You gave them water for their thirst.

1 John 2:27 As for ou, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, abide in Him.

Do you not see what Scripture says about it? Do you not see that the RCC has taken the place of God? Or perhaps it calls itself the Holy Spirit as Christian Science does.

From scripture alone what are the commandments of Jesus in Matt 28:20 and acts 1:2

 

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From scripture alone what are the commandments of Jesus in Matt 28:20 and acts 1:2

You would have to read from Scripture what they are, since that is where they are. Jesus said that to the Apostles---the 11---during the forty days He was with them between His ascension and resurrection. ANd it would be those things He revealed to them that could not be understood until He was resurrected, and it would be in the writings of the NT. Acts and the Epistles, just as it says in Acts 1:1-5. MIstakes such as the ones you just made are the result of only using portions of sentences removed completely from their context. You ask a question that was answered in the set of scriptures you were quoting from.

 

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According to scripture alone what is the second of the Ten Commandments or any for that matter?

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath orin the water below. You shall not bow down to the or whorship them;

 

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It doesn't say that. Protestantism rejects the RCC, not Christ. The RCC is not Christ. P'ism does not reject His church. The RCC is not His church. The RCC replaces Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and their work, with itself. The RCC and its holy father pope, bishops traditions etc. are not His authorized ministers. If they were they would not be teaching all the antichrist, made up traditions and doctrines of men that it does. The RCC was in dire need of reformation and it refused. Surely you are not so blind as to not be able to see that, should you look at history. But maybe looking at its own history is annethama in the RCC. I guess the pope could issue that fiat, call it God, and ex communicate all caught looking at it or possessing it, since they can no longer behead, burn, hang, decapitate, anyone anymore.


There can be and has been need of other reformations.

The blood of Christ is the blood of the New Covenant. It was only shed once.

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 Jn 15:4 eph 5:24 eph 5:32

 

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It doesn't say that. Protestantism rejects the RCC, not Christ. The RCC is not Christ. P'ism does not reject His church. The RCC is not His church. The RCC replaces Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and their work, with itself. The RCC and its holy father pope, bishops traditions etc. are not His authorized ministers. If they were they would not be teaching all the antichrist, made up traditions and doctrines of men that it does. The RCC was in dire need of reformation and it refused. Surely you are not so blind as to not be able to see that, should you look at history. But maybe looking at its own history is annethama in the RCC. I guess the pope could issue that fiat, call it God, and ex communicate all caught looking at it or possessing it, since they can no longer behead, burn, hang, decapitate, anyone anymore.


There can be and has been need of other reformations.

The blood of Christ is the blood of the New Covenant. It was only shed once.

The apostolic church founded by Christ is eternal and of divine origin and like the truth she proclaims CANNOT be reformed!

The time a reformation was when Christ reformed the mosaic covenant into the new covenant not the 16th century!
Heb 9:10

 

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It doesn't say that. Protestantism rejects the RCC, not Christ. The RCC is not Christ. P'ism does not reject His church. The RCC is not His church. The RCC replaces Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and their work, with itself. The RCC and its holy father pope, bishops traditions etc. are not His authorized ministers. If they were they would not be teaching all the antichrist, made up traditions and doctrines of men that it does. The RCC was in dire need of reformation and it refused. Surely you are not so blind as to not be able to see that, should you look at history. But maybe looking at its own history is annethama in the RCC. I guess the pope could issue that fiat, call it God, and ex communicate all caught looking at it or possessing it, since they can no longer behead, burn, hang, decapitate, anyone anymore.


There can be and has been need of other reformations.

The blood of Christ is the blood of the New Covenant. It was only shed once.

The church has the duty to teach the truth of Christ and to condemn all error, including the Protestant sola’s but it the duty of the state to execute justice!

The state Does not wield the sword in vain!

Old Testament:

Ez 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

Ez 9:4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

(Even those who did not worship the sun but were not grieved at this offense were slain!)

1 kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

1 kings 18:40 And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

(All these false prophets were killed)

Leviticus 20:27
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.


We don’t apologize for the truth of the gospel of life!

Two edge sword:

The church has received from her savior the “sacred deposit of faith” eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

And has to command from Christ to teach all men matt 28:19 without error Lk 10:16 Jn 20:21 Jn 16:13

To teach, and declare the truth of divine revelation and to condemn all errors!

To Defend and safeguard the sacred deposit of faith and all the faithful from error preserving the purity of the faith of Jesus Christ!

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

We live in freethinking Open society with “rights” like free speech, freedom of the press etc. with separation of church and state as opposed to a close kingdom, by a prime minister with the cardinal arch-bishop as the chancellor and only the true faith revealed by Christ being allowed and all other are another Gospel and error and treason not only against the king and the realm but against God!

Treason!

Heresy is treason against God and His revealed truth!

Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema!



Authority in the state!

1 pet 2: 13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

We must also forbid divorce, adultery, and all forms of sexuality against the commandments, work on Sunday’s and holidays, absolute free speech, expression, and press without any regard for morals, only the good, true, and beautiful are acceptable!

 

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It doesn't say that. Protestantism rejects the RCC, not Christ. The RCC is not Christ. P'ism does not reject His church. The RCC is not His church. The RCC replaces Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and their work, with itself. The RCC and its holy father pope, bishops traditions etc. are not His authorized ministers. If they were they would not be teaching all the antichrist, made up traditions and doctrines of men that it does. The RCC was in dire need of reformation and it refused. Surely you are not so blind as to not be able to see that, should you look at history. But maybe looking at its own history is annethama in the RCC. I guess the pope could issue that fiat, call it God, and ex communicate all caught looking at it or possessing it, since they can no longer behead, burn, hang, decapitate, anyone anymore.


There can be and has been need of other reformations.

The blood of Christ is the blood of the New Covenant. It was only shed once.

Yes shed once on the cross


Propitiatory Sacrifice of Christ!

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Jn 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

But the sacrifice is eternal
And must be offered eternally
By Christ the eternal priest heb 7:17 and his ministers
Once for all
Once bloody on the cross for all unbloody

Mal 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

A pure offering:
A Clean oblation:
An Unbloody sacrifice:

The nature of a priest is to offer sacrifice!

 

[donadams]

What do you think sola scriptura means?

Sola Scriptura: “Sacred scripture is the only authority”

 

[donadams]

You would have to read from Scripture what they are, since that is where they are. Jesus said that to the Apostles---the 11---during the forty days He was with them between His ascension and resurrection. ANd it would be those things He revealed to them that could not be understood until He was resurrected, and it would be in the writings of the NT. Acts and the Epistles, just as it says in Acts 1:1-5. MIstakes such as the ones you just made are the result of only using portions of sentences removed completely from their context. You ask a question that was answered in the set of scriptures you were quoting from.

What Christ taught his apostles for 3 years is tradition, part of which was written by the inspiration of the HS all apostles have authority to teach what Christ revealed but not all wrote scripture

 

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You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath orin the water below. You shall not bow down to the or whorship them;

Where does scripture say that this is the second commandment?

 

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Where does scripture say that this is the second commandment?

Ex 20; Deut 5

 

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What Christ taught his apostles for 3 years is tradition, part of which was written by the inspiration of the HS all apostles have authority to teach what Christ revealed but not all wrote scripture

What Christ taught His apostles for forty days after His resurrection is what I stated. The part that is nothing but RCC tradition is that only part of it was written and the rest is up to Catholic fiat.

 

[Arial]

Sola Scriptura: “Sacred scripture is the only authority”

Authority for/of what?

 

[donadams]

Ex 20; Deut 5

Thanks for being brief and one at a time, I appreciate it

No there is no list in ex 20 or Deut 5
Content yes but a list no

It does not say this is the first
This is the second etc

Nor does it thus ends the first and begins the second


According to subject matter or context:

First commandment: ex 20:2-6
One God

Second commandment: ex 20:7
God’s name

Third commandment: ex 20:8-11
God’s original sabbath

Fourth commandment: ex 20:12
Parents

Fifth commandment: ex 20:13
Murder

Sixth commandment: ex 20:14
Adultery

Seventh commandment: ex 20:15
Theft

Eighth commandment: ex 20:16
Lying

Ninth commandment: ex 20:17
Coveting

Separating the two about coveting makes sense!

Ninth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbors goods.

Tenth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbor’s wife.

The teaching authority of Christ in His church not “scripture alone” tell us the list of the Ten Commandments

Thks