Rome's tactics.

[Arch Stanton]

So we are back to that. Your circular reasoning. And that is the blind spot. You cannot hear the word "church" without identifying it automatically with the RCC no matter how many times and ways it is pointed out that there is no verification, no validation, no witness to that except that of the RCC itself.

You hear church and think of an invisible church.

Mt 5:14 You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.

 

[Mr GLee]

NT was written by Catholics.

It was written by our invisible head Christ who put his words in the mouth of His prophets that he sends as messenger called apostles .Not from the apostles, dying mankind.

 

[Arch Stanton]

It was written by our invisible head Christ who put his words in the mouth of His prophets that he sends as messenger called apostles .Not from the apostles, dying mankind.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, James, etc. -- first Catholics

 

[Mr GLee]

You hear church and think of an invisible church.

Mt 5:14 You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.

Yes born again believers hold out the gospel of light as reflection of the true light the invisible head the Holy Father He loving commands us to call no man on earth Holy Father, Holy See, Prince of the apostles. . . etc

 

[Arch Stanton]

Yes born again believers hold out the gospel of light

a mountain is physical

 

[Mr GLee]

a mountain is physical

Yes, mountains are used in parables to represent kingdoms.

Isaiah 13:4The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the Lord of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
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Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all

Satan the god of this world offered to Jesus the son of man all the kingdoms of this world and the glory of them.

Why glory in dirt and call it Fatima Holy ground.? Samples to venerate are for sale.

 

[GoKart Mozart]

a mountain is physical

Do you ever get the impression that for some folk the whole of the Christian faith is all in their head?

 

[Arch Stanton]

Yes, mountains are used in parables to represent kingdoms.

Mt 5:14 You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.

 

[Mr GLee]

Do you ever get the impression that for some folk the whole of the Christian faith is all in their head?

I would offer we must be careful how we hear who we say we do. The father of lies is is quick to snatch the seed

Many confuse the use of the word faith and how it is used as a law.of faith (Romans 3:27)

I would think many think the powerful faith of Christ's labor of love (eternal God not seen) as a law of faith. They think it comes from observing the temporal things seen as if they were the eternal . Jesus said the Kingdom of His Father does not come by looking at the dying temporal historical, there must be a mix

Many do not use what I would call the valuable 20/20 prescription needed to rightly divide the parables. Which without parables Christ spoke not, hiding the spiritual unseen understanding. . . the mysteries of the gospel hid from natural unconverted mankind . . Therefore some look to the temporal historical things seen and attribute it as the power of God faithfulness . not comparing the eternal to the temporal. No mix, no gospel rest. Not seeking the understanding of faith (the unseen spiritual things). .

It is not a salvation issue. Nothing can destroy the simplicity of the gospel God working saving dying mankind , But it can enrich how we hear or say we do.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The prescription 20/20 needed to cure the lies the father of lies who can blind minds, spoken previously in the beginning of the chapter of below

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Image = light . God is light and not that he can only created it temporally . 20/20 prescription with sun guard giving us sight curing the blindness

In that way Christ is the storeroom of His powerful faith. He gives us little calling us "you of little faith" .Just enough that works in us empowering us to please him

 

[Carbon]

Can a person who follows R.C. theology per the R.C. church be saved assuming he does not change?
I tend to say No ... what's your opinion and why?

But isn't it true, that we are saved first before we can change?

 

[fastfredy0]

But isn't it true, that we are saved first before we can change?

Yes and no.

NO: It is possible for an alcoholic to stop drinking or a criminal to stop breaking the law before being saved. In fact he may die unsaved.

YES: Some changes are the result of regeneration ... Example: saving faith ... and faith is trust in God ... and trust leads to obedience for the the extent we believe we obey.

• Isaiah 26:12 Lord, You will establish peace for us, Since You have also performed for us all that we have done.
• Romans 8:13 for if you are living according to the [impulses of the] flesh, you are going to die. But if [you are living] by the [power of the Holy] Spirit you are habitually putting to death the sinful deeds of the body, you will [really] live forever.
• yada yada

 

[Mr GLee]

Yes and no.

NO: It is possible for an alcoholic to stop drinking or a criminal to stop breaking the law before being saved. In fact he may die unsaved.

YES: Some changes are the result of regeneration ... Example: saving faith ... and faith is trust in God ... and trust leads to obedience for the the extent we believe we obey.

• Isaiah 26:12 Lord, You will establish peace for us, Since You have also performed for us all that we have done.
• Romans 8:13 for if you are living according to the [impulses of the] flesh, you are going to die. But if [you are living] by the [power of the Holy] Spirit you are habitually putting to death the sinful deeds of the body, you will [really] live forever.
• yada yada

Amen. he changes us by saving us .

 

[Carbon]

Yes and no.

Well here is one for the yes part. Jesus responded and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born [c]again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born [d]again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it is coming from and where it is going; so is everyone who has been born of the Spirit.”
John 3.

NO: It is possible for an alcoholic to stop drinking or a criminal to stop breaking the law before being saved. In fact he may die unsaved.

What does this have to do with it? Of course, it is possible to stop these before being saved. But this changes the subject and gives it an entirely different meaning. You went from someone following an RC "theology" a spiritual religious influence to, a criminal or alcoholic? It does not even relate.

YES: Some changes are the result of regeneration ... Example: saving faith ... and faith is trust in God ... and trust leads to obedience for the the extent we believe we obey.

Ha, I bet, however, that if the Spirit regenerates a criminal or drinker, they will have a whole new outlook on what they are doing.

• Isaiah 26:12 Lord, You will establish peace for us, Since You have also performed for us all that we have done.
• Romans 8:13 for if you are living according to the [impulses of the] flesh, you are going to die. But if [you are living] by the [power of the Holy] Spirit you are habitually putting to death the sinful deeds of the body, you will [really] live forever.
• yada yada

And this proves, what?

 

[Carbon]

One of the first things they do,

Here is another thing they do.

The Bible teaches us that there is one mediator between man and God and that is the man, Jesus Christ. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Tim 2:5.

But the RCC abuses this passage greatly. They teach there are many mediators. The priests, Mary, the saints, and angels. They also teach it is right to pray to them. Of course, they have that covered also. As there are two forms of prayer they say, one of honor that goes to the saints, etc... and one type that Goes to God alone. But where is that teaching in scripture?