Roman 9:22-24

[Deleted member 5]

You'd better believe it!

No, sorry, it's not if you say so, it is what God says. And you claim to speak for Him.

Why not repent and believe in the God of the Bible; who is love (1 John 4:8,16)?

Are you calling me lost again?

 

[justbyfaith]

But you have. By your own postings you show you're at hostility toward Him.

I am certainly not at hostility with the God of the Bible.

I have studied it since 1986 and do not come up with some of the dribble that you are portraying about Him.

As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that I am defending His character against the likes of you.

 

[Deleted member 5]

I am certainly not at hostility with the God of the Bible.

Oh, but you most certainly are.

I have studied it since 1986

Oh, what credentials you have! How is it you are blind to context?

and do not come up with some of the dribble that you are portraying about Him.

"Dribble?" Like in basketball?

As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that I am defending His character against the likes of you.

You're just filled with hate, aren't you?

 

[justbyfaith]

You're in one now.

I am in good company with Paul, in that you say that.

Act 24:14, But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

 

[justbyfaith]

Oh, but you most certainly are.

Nope.

Oh, what credentials you have! How is it you are blind to context?

No.

"Dribble?" Like in basketball?

Like in spittle running down the beard.

You're just filled with hate, aren't you?

Psalms 139:21-22.

 

[Deleted member 5]

I am in good company with Paul, in that you say that.

No, I am sorry, you're not in the company of Paul.

Act 24:14, But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Paul was a Calvinist before there was John Calvin. You should study him sometime.

 

[justbyfaith]

No, sorry, it's not if you say so, it is what God says. And you claim to speak for Him.

Only if He is a God who answers prayer.

Are you calling me lost again?

If your not believing in the true God means that you are lost, then, yes.

 

[justbyfaith]

No, I am sorry, you're not in the company of Paul.

Paul was a Calvinist before there was John Calvin. You should study him sometime.

I study his epistles all of the time.

In fact, I finish all the epistles about once / week.

And no, the Bible does not preach Calvinism.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Only if He is a God who answers prayer.



If your not believing in the true God means that you are lost, then, yes.

Cool. Thanks, I wanted to make sure you were clear.

Take care!

 

[Carbon]

I was not only talking to you. I was responding to multiple posts.

Ok, fair enough.

I am wrong in saying that if they come, they are of the elect?

What does scripture say?

*Didn't you just say that if they are not of the elect, they won't come?

What does scripture teach?

 

[Carbon]

He draws everyone (John 12:32).

Yes, everyone, men from every tribe tongue, and nation. Not just the Jews.

 

[Carbon]

sounds like the rhetoric of a cult I was once involved in.

You were, once involved in?

 

[Deleted member 5]

You were, once involved in?

I just noticed that. Seems to be lots of residual effects.

 

[fastfredy0]

The God of the Bible is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9).

If God did not want anyone to be in hell, then just don’t create them in the first place.

John 6:37 is clear on that.
Jesus will in no wise cast out any one who comes to Him.

Both sides agree to this. The crux of the issue is: Who determines who come to God: God or man. You imply man controls God, that man's freedom dominates God's freedom.

In my estimation, no one is of the elect until after they have come to Christ

So, God is our elect. Interesting view point.

I believe in a God who gives to every man an opportunity to repent and receive Jesus as his Lord and Saviour

This is a demonstrably false statement as billions of people have died who never heard of Christ. You will have to adjust your doctrine to account for reality.

Aside: High Five JustbyFaith for standing up for what you believe. Whether it is truth is debatable. At least you devoted time to studying God.

 

[Carbon]

If God did not want anyone to be in hell, then just don’t create them in the first place.

If He didn’t want anyone to be in hell, then no one would go to hell.

 

[fastfredy0]

If He didn’t want anyone to be in hell, then no one would go to hell.

That's true too.... or God could have all those He knows will reject Him die in child birth (assuming Age of Accountability doctrine is true).

Personally, I also like the idea of creating an Adam that would not eat the fruit. That would work for me, not that God seeks my counsel ... just saying... *giggle*

 

[Carbon]

That's true too.... or God could have all those He knows will reject Him die in child birth (assuming Age of Accountability doctrine is true).

That’s smells Arminianish

Personally, I also like the idea of creating an Adam

Lol. Go ahead and try.

that would not eat the fruit. That would work for me, not that God seeks my counsel ... just saying... *giggle*

Hhmmmm

 

[fastfredy0]

Re: That's true too.... or God could have all those He knows will reject Him die in child birth (assuming Age of Accountability doctrine is true).

That’s smells Arminianish

OH???? how so? Gee, I don't see any doctrine in the statement ... just a weird hypothetical that will never happen.

Hmmmm ... God has infinite WHAT IF scenarios that He didn't play out. I'm just having one WHAT IF for a little fun.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

God has infinite WHAT IF scenarios that He didn't play out. I'm just having one WHAT IF for a little fun.

Don't go WLC on us. Never go full WLC.

 

[fastfredy0]

Don't go WLC on us. Never go full WLC.

... what is WLC?
Western Lutheran College?

I think you may be analyzing my statement too deeply. I just thinking of ways to stop people from going to hell theoritically.