Btw, the first so-called domino that you put forth is still standing!
Right off, God's answer to the accusation is nay: God is not unrighteous to judge men by their works, as with Pharoah and Esau, because they did manifestly resist His will to do good by the children of Israel, and not sell God's birthright for beans.
Ghada, to say you are one confused person would be a understatement! You are showing yourself to be a novice~I do not know you, but you certainly are not grounded in the scriptures,
no pun intended, just facing facts as you put forth some of your arguments.
God is not unrighteous to judge men of their works, but this is not what Paul is saying.
Romans 9:20~"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"
Nay but, O man.
The sense of the words are, “No way, mere man! Who do you think you are to question God?” Instead of “God forbid,” Paul did not even acknowledge that they deserved that short of an answer! Paul strongly and strictly rebukes such objections and questions as not being fit for flesh and blood. Man was taken from the dust of the earth, and the last thing he should do is argue with His Creator. Those that like to question should consider who they are and
that they will never have all answers. Remember Solomon’s, Jesus’, and Paul’s repeated thoughts about wasting time and risking faith on foolish and unlearned questions (
Proverb 23:9;
Matthew 7:6; 2nd
Tim 2:23; etc., etc.).
Who art thou that repliest against God.
As Solomon wrote, God is in heaven, and you are on earth, so let your words be few (
Eccl 5:2). Rather than answering the question directly, Paul blew off the questioner and his question (9:20). God called men potsherds (broken pottery), and they should only argue with each other (
Is 45:9). God is greater than man, as Elihu told the great Job, lest God killed him (
Job 33:12;
36:16-18)!
When scripture is presented and applied, as Paul had done (9:7-18), men should shut their mouths; there is no purpose, profit, or right to rationalize revelation. We humbly before God’s declarations. If the Bible says it, that settles it.
Why do you need more? For there is no more to give you, and the perverse spirit that wants more will trouble you for life.
Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it.
This logic is simple enough ~ should things made argue with their Maker? Dust with the Creator? Shall a creature question its own Creator as to the way it was made, or how, or to what end? Paul did not spend a single word softening the doctrine or trying make election more palatable.
Neither shall we do so. Paul
emphatically denied man the position, privilege,
or right to even raise such foolish questions. This is the simple lesson taught from Romans 9;20~or, at least it should be simple to follow, and it is,
if a parson does
not have a precious agendas he/she is laboring to protect and put forth.
Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
In this question, there is no answer pertaining to how God creates men, but only that He does so, and is asked why. It does not pertain to being created with or without freewill. Reading one or the other into it, is a false assumption.
We agree with one part of your statement that we highlighted. But,
man does find fault if God before one does any good or evil purposed to show mercy to one and not to the other, even twins in the womb of their mother, as was the case with Jacob and Esau.
It does not pertain to being created with or without freewill. Reading one or the other into it, is a false assumption.
As I said, I agree with you~but will add this....The content of Romans 9:1-17
is summarized with the truth that being a vessel of mercy is
not of him that willeth, or him that runneth, but it is left to the sovereign will of the Creator, who has the sovereign right to make one a vessel of mercy, and leave others as vessels of wrath to be destroyed.
Btw the way, the second is still standing. Truth always falls before false gods/doctrine as Dagon did before the ark of God!
Ghada, I do not think you even have a stump left to support your false doctrine.
Coming back to make one more post and then I'm finished with addressing your opening four posts.
