The Biblical Meaning of "Son of God"

[Arial]

I believe the usage in the NT is that God was the Father of Jesus of Nazareth that is Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit. The Son of God not Joseph.
A human begets a human and so forth so those who opposed Jesus took the meaning as you imply that He was Deity as they took it to mean Deity begets Deity.

Aside from what you believe people took it as, what does it mean when the Bible, the Word of God, says Son of God in relation to Jesus?

Do you agree that he is eternal, was always with God, and is God? (As well as a man for the purposes of the redemption OF man)?

 

[Paul]

Aside from what you believe people took it as, what does it mean when the Bible, the Word of God, says Son of God in relation to Jesus?

Do you agree that he is eternal, was always with God, and is God? (As well as a man for the purposes of the redemption OF man)?

Jesus is the Son of God that's how it relates.

I believe this but we differ on how this is so.
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being

His spirit, (can't be deity), is the beginning of the creation of God and the firstborn of all creation. He has always been the Son.
The fullness of the Deity that dwells in Him with His spirit is the Fathers not His own.
God the Father, His Deity, whether by/in the Son or by the Fathers His own hand brought all things into existence.

Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is. Col 1:19; Col 2:9; Heb 1:3
No, He has always been the Son.

It's always been the Church of the Firstborn. (not the church of Christ or the Church of God) The choice of words used implies the writer of Hebrews understood the Son is the first begotten of God one in whom all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell.

I agree in part
Begotten of the Father alone before all ages but not made

Jesus is the only like to like begotten SON of the Father or the only begotten God. His God and Father is the only true unbegotten God. The Deity of the Father lives in the Son without limit. Thet are one.

In regard to being Jesus is the very imprint of the Fathers being for all the fullness dwells in Him
In regard to authority the Father has placed all things in Jesus's hands so that only in respect to His own throne is the Fathers authority greater.

Thats one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. The throne of God and of the Lamb.

 

[Paul]

He who hears you hears me. (Lk 10:16)

The NT apostles identify Jesus as the YHWH of the OT.

1) Mt 3:3 (Isa 40:3) - Isaiah prophecies a voice of one calling in the desert, "Prepare the way for YHWH," which was John the Baptist (Mk, Lk).
John prepared the way for Jesus (Mk 1:-8, Lk 3:16, Jn 1:29-34). . .making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 40:3.

2) Ro 10:9, 13 (Joel 2:32) - Joel prophesies that "everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved," which Paul quotes and applies to Jesus. . .
making Jesus the YHWH of Joel 2:32.

3) Heb 1:6 (Dt 32:43) - Moses said, "Rejoice, O nations, with his people, and let all the angels worship him (YHWH), for he will avenge the blood of his servants (Septuagint translation), which Hebrews quotes and applies to Jesus. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Dt 32:43.

4) Eph 4:8-9 (Ps 68:18) - The psalmist states, "When you ascended on high. . .that you, O YHWH, might dwell there," which Paul applies to the ascended Christ. . .making Christ the YHWH of Ps 68:18

5) Jn 19:37 (Zec 12:10) - Zechariah prophesies that they will look on YHWH (12:1-2), the one they have pierced, which John applies to Jesus. . . making Jesus the YHWH of Zec 12:1-2, 10.

6) Lk 4:18-21 (Isa 61:1, 8) - Isaiah's prophecy identifies YHWH of vv. 7-8 with the Messiah of v. 1, which Jesus applies to himself. . .
making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 61:1, 7-8.

7) Rev 1:12-18 (Isa 44:6, 48:12) - In Rev 1:12-18, Jesus (1:18, 2:8) identifies himself as the First and the Last, which is YHWH of Isa 44:6, 48:12. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 44:6, 48:12.

8) In Rev 21:6, 22:12-13, Jesus (1:18, 2:8) is the Alpha and Omega who is the Lord God of Rev 1:8.

9) In Rev 20:11-13 w/ Jn 5:22, 27, 9:39, the one on the throne is Jesus, who in Rev 21:7 is God. . .making Jesus the God of Rev 21:7.

10) Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10 (Ge 1:1, Isa 44:24, Jer 10:16) - Isa 44:24 says YHWH created alone, while Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10 say Jesus brought all things into being, created all things including angels and by his power holds them in existence, and made the universe. . .so according to John, Paul and Hebrews, Jesus is the Elohim Creator YHWH of Ge, Isa and Jer.

To hear the apostles is to hear Jesus (Lk 10:16, and they say that Jesus is God, the YHWH of the OT.

God is your Father. Jesus is not your Father.
God is Jesus's Father. God is Jesus's God. So Jesus is not the Father who is YHWH
Perhaps you should send your post to Him.
Now this is eternal life: that they know, you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Jesus and the Father are one so in this context Jesus is the First and Last. A Son who is called Mighty God.

I understand your belief. No need to keep posting to me your belief.

 

[Eleanor]

God is your Father. Jesus is not your Father.
God is Jesus's Father. God is Jesus's God. So Jesus is not the Father who is YHWH

You're confusing the humanity of Jesus with the divinity of Jesus.

Jesus had two natures, human and divine, in one person/being.

God is three persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, in one being.

 

[Arial]

Jesus is the Son of God that's how it relates.

I believe this but we differ on how this is so.
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being

His spirit, (can't be deity), is the beginning of the creation of God and the firstborn of all creation. He has always been the Son.
The fullness of the Deity that dwells in Him with His spirit is the Fathers not His own.
God the Father, His Deity, whether by/in the Son or by the Fathers His own hand brought all things into existence.

Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is. Col 1:19; Col 2:9; Heb 1:3
No, He has always been the Son.

It's always been the Church of the Firstborn. (not the church of Christ or the Church of God) The choice of words used implies the writer of Hebrews understood the Son is the first begotten of God one in whom all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell.

I agree in part
Begotten of the Father alone before all ages but not made

Jesus is the only like to like begotten SON of the Father or the only begotten God. His God and Father is the only true unbegotten God. The Deity of the Father lives in the Son without limit. Thet are one.

In regard to being Jesus is the very imprint of the Fathers being for all the fullness dwells in Him
In regard to authority the Father has placed all things in Jesus's hands so that only in respect to His own throne is the Fathers authority greater.

Thats one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. The throne of God and of the Lamb.

That is extremely hard to follow and determine what you mean by the words you use. There seem to be a lot of unnecessary words and ideas mangled together. Therefore, no direct answer is given to the question "Does Son of God mean Jesus is God? "

The Bible says in 1 John 4:15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

Anyone can say those words. So my question in relation to that passage would be, "Does John mean by that, that Son of God is understood to be a declaration of Christ's deity---fully God and fully man, as we are also told we must believe he came in the flesh----? And that, the Trinity is a necessary true belief to be in Christ. To be saved.

 

[Paul]

That is extremely hard to follow and determine what you mean by the words you use. There seem to be a lot of unnecessary words and ideas mangled together. Therefore, no direct answer is given to the question "Does Son of God mean Jesus is God? "

Mary's child is the Son of God. It does not imply Jesus is God.
35The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

The Bible says in 1 John 4:15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

Anyone can say those words. So my question in relation to that passage would be, "Does John mean by that, that Son of God is understood to be a declaration of Christ's deity---fully God and fully man, as we are also told we must believe he came in the flesh----? And that, the Trinity is a necessary true belief to be in Christ. To be saved.

 

[Eleanor]

Mary's child is the Son of God. It does not imply Jesus is God.
35The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

Ask a Jew what "Son of God" means.

The Jews, who were there, knew exactly what Jesus was saying and sought many times to stone him for blasphemy because "he claimed to be God" (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7/Lev 24:16).

 

[Paul]

Ask a Jew what "Son of God" means.

The Jews sought to stone Jesus for blasphemy because "he claimed to be God" (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7--Lev 24:16).

So, you believe Mary's conception has no context as Jesus being called the Son of God as the Angel stated?
That doesn't make what I stated incorrect.
The unbelieving Jews said many things about Jesus that weren't true.

Jesus Himself stated He was Gods Son not God.
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’

 

[Eleanor]

So, you believe Mary's conception has no context as Jesus being called the Son of God as the Angel stated?
That doesn't make what I stated incorrect.
The unbelieving Jews said many things about Jesus that weren't true.

Such as?

Jesus Himself stated He was Gods Son not God.

Where does Jesus state that he is not God?

And you are ignoring the apostolic testimony (post #103) of Jesus Christ (Lk 10:16).

what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’

Jesus is stating there that declaring he is God's Son is not blasphemy, because he is God's Son.

One is not God's Son unless he is born of God's seed.

You re ignor

 

[Arial]

Mary's child is the Son of God. It does not imply Jesus is God.
35The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

So he is just called the Son Of God, even if he isn't. If God the Holy Spirit is his father, whose son is he? If Mary, a human is his mother, what does that mean he is. Human. So you have one person with two natures. The nature of his Father---divine---and the nature of his mother---human. Two natures that cannot mix together. So they aren't. Why did you not address 1 John 4:15?

Are you a JW? There seems to be a lot of double talk and avoidance.

 

[Paul]

So he is just called the Son Of God, even if he isn't. If God the Holy Spirit is his father, whose son is he? If Mary, a human is his mother, what does that mean he is. Human. So you have one person with two natures. The nature of his Father---divine---and the nature of his mother---human. Two natures that cannot mix together. So they aren't.

Are you a JW? There seems to be a lot of double talk and avoidance.

I believe Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit and that Jesus is the Son of God. He will be called the Son of God is what the Angel stated.
No I am not a JW.

The conception has to do with the birth of the body prepared for Him not His spirit.

Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;

And the Father was living in Him so if they were one why do you state they can't mix?

 

[Eleanor]

Jesus Himself stated He was Gods Son not God.
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’

You are ignoring the apostolic testimony (post #103) of Jesus (Lk 10:16).

 

[Paul]

You are ignoring the apostolic testimony (post #103) of Jesus (Lk 10:16).

Listen to Him then If you don't believe Him, you won't believe me.
Now this is eternal life: that they know, YOU only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

My creed
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

In regard to the Son I hold to this but not because He is Deity but because the Father was pleased that the fullness of His Deity should dwell in His Son

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

 

[Eleanor]

Listen to Him then If you don't believe Him, you won't believe me.

You are ignoring the apostolic testimony (post #103) of Jesus (Lk 10:16).

Now this is eternal life: that the know, YOU only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Yes, the Father is the only true God, as are the Son and the Holy Spirit, all the one God in three persons, with the singular (not plural) name . . .in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Mt 28:19), one name for God who is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. . .three distinct persons in one God.

 

[Paul]

You are ignoring the apostolic testimony (post #103) of Jesus (Lk 10:16).

Yes, the Father is the only true God, as are the Son and the Holy Spirit, all the one God in three persons, with the singular (not plural) name . . .in the name of" (Mt 28:19).

The person of the Father who Jesus was speaking to is the only true God. You ignore His testimony. Again I understand your belief. I understand the oneness Jesus taught not as you believe. The Father living in Him and He in the Father
The Son is the radiance of Gods glory and the imprint of Gods very being. Jesus is all that the Father is for God gifted Him His Deity without limit. Col 1:19, Col 2:9

I not going any further down this rabbit hole.

 

[Arial]

I believe Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit and that Jesus is the Son of God. He will be called the Son of God is what the Angel stated.
No I am not a JW.

The conception has to do with the birth of the body prepared for Him not His spirit.

Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;

And the Father was living in Him so if they were one why do you state they can't mix?

You do not understand the hypostatic union and are making up your own? Why do you keep bringing his spirit into it? Or are you denying the Trinity and attempting to make it look like you aren't?

 

[makesends]

So, you believe Mary's conception has no context as Jesus being called the Son of God as the Angel stated?
That doesn't make what I stated incorrect.
The unbelieving Jews said many things about Jesus that weren't true.

Jesus Himself stated He was Gods Son not God.
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’

Mod Hat: Paul, I think it should be made a specific rule that quotations be separated by some kind of indicator, from a poster's own words. PARTICULARLY when quoting Scripture. Please adjust your method.

 

[makesends]

Now this is eternal life: that they know, YOU only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

In many —maybe most— languages, certainly in Koiné Greek, and in English, [as a matter of fact], the conjunction, 'and', can mean, 'even'. See my example: "...in Koiné Greek, and in English,..."

 

[David Lamb]

Mary's child is the Son of God. It does not imply Jesus is God.
35The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

So if the child Mary gave birth to is the Son of God, but (in your opinion) that does not imply that Jesus is the Son of God, you seem to be sayng that the child to whom Mary gave birth was someone other than Jesus, because if it was Jesus, then it would do more than merely imply that Jesus was the Son of God - it would mean that very thing. Luke tells us that Jesus is indeed the Son to Whom Mary -would give birth, so "the child Mary gave birth to" is Jesus:

““And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.” (Lu 1:31 NKJV)

 

[Paul]

So if the child Mary gave birth to is the Son of God, but (in your opinion) that does not imply that Jesus is the Son of God, you seem to be sayng that the child to whom Mary gave birth was someone other than Jesus, because if it was Jesus, then it would do more than merely imply that Jesus was the Son of God - it would mean that very thing. Luke tells us that Jesus is indeed the Son to Whom Mary -would give birth, so "the child Mary gave birth to" is Jesus:

““And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.” (Lu 1:31 NKJV)

It does state Jesus is the Son of God which Jesus states He is Gods Son. To confess Jesus is the Son of God is based on Mary's conception by the Holy Spirit not that He is God.