The Biblical Meaning of "Son of God"

[Paul]

You do not understand the hypostatic union and are making up your own? Why do you keep bringing his spirit into it? Or are you denying the Trinity and attempting to make it look like you aren't?

Please quote the oneness Jesus stated that shows this hypostatic union. I'll take a look at it.

 

[Paul]

In many —maybe most— languages, certainly in Koiné Greek, and in English, [as a matter of fact], the conjunction, 'and', can mean, 'even'. See my example: "...in Koiné Greek, and in English,..."

It's not the text that drives you to seek another meaning its the doctrine of the trinity.

John 17:3 - Prayer for the Son

Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

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[David Lamb]

It does state Jesus is the Son of God which Jesus states He is Gods Son. To confess Jesus is the Son of God is based on Mary's conception by the Holy Spirit not that He is God.

So it seems that when you wrote: "Mary's child is the Son of God. It does not imply Jesus is God." the little word "ir" referred to the child being Mary's child, not the fact that that child was Jesus.

 

[Paul]

So it seems that when you wrote: "Mary's child is the Son of God. It does not imply Jesus is God." the little word "ir" referred to the child being Mary's child, not the fact that that child was Jesus.

Jesus's Father is God, He is the Son of God.
No if.

 

[David Lamb]

Jesus's Father is God, He is the Son of God.
No if.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I certainly was not referring to Jesus Christ as "it." I was referring rather to your use of the word "it" in your sentence: "It does not imply Jesus is God." Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Fred]

Jesus's Father is God, He is the Son of God.
No if.

Is it okay to pray to Jesus?

 

[Arial]

Please quote the oneness Jesus stated that shows this hypostatic union. I'll take a look at it.

My question was:

Or are you denying the Trinity and attempting to make it look like you aren't?

Answer the question instead of deflecting.

 

[David Lamb]

Is it okay to pray to Jesus?

Of course. Jesus is God.

 

[Arial]

It does state Jesus is the Son of God which Jesus states He is Gods Son. To confess Jesus is the Son of God is based on Mary's conception by the Holy Spirit not that He is God.

Matt 16:13-18 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" And they said, "Some say John the Baptist others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
This alone shows that the expression Son of God means more than a spokesperson for God, as were the prophets. It declares his deity. And it is not knowledge that the human mind on its own (flesh and blood) can or does grasp. It is something that must be and is revealed to them by God himself. IOW, he must open the eyes of their heart to see it. It is also the very foundation of Christ's church---(Christianity. Those in Christ through faith). To be a Christian, one who belongs to Christ, means more than to be a follower of Christ in a loose sense of the word. Many follow his moral teachings, but do not believe that he is God. Until the Father reveals "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" he is just another prophet, or a good man, or a teacher---just man.

The deity of Christ is the very rock upon which his church is built.

 

[Eleanor]

The person of the Father who Jesus was speaking to is the only true God.

Indeed. . .there is only one God in three persons.
It seems you do not believe in the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the singlar name of the one God in three persons according to Jesus (Mt 28:19).
Your "Christianity" is contra-NT.

You ignore His testimony.

You ignore the whole text and context of the NT, beginning with Mt 28:19.

 

[Eleanor]

Jesus's Father is God, He is the Son of God.
No if.

What we have here is a denial of the Trinity. . .your unbelief makes you unorthodox.

 

[makesends]

It's not the text that drives you to seek another meaning its the doctrine of the trinity.

John 17:3 - Prayer for the Son

Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

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Of course! My beliefs color my use of Scripture, as do yours. My point, however, is that your use of that reference as support of your doctrine, is no more useful than if I had done so in support of my doctrine. Therefore, your point in using that "and" as a definite separation between deity of God and the nature of the Son of God, is defeated.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

Is it okay to pray to Jesus?

Jesus encouraged prayer to himself on numerous occasions, for example:

● Matt 11:28-29 . . Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will
give you rest.

● John 4:10-14 . .If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a
drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.

● John 7:37 . . On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a
loud voice: If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink!

When Jesus says come and/or ask he expects the hearers to contact him with an
appropriate response.

● John 5:39 . . .You diligently study the scriptures because you think that by them
you possess eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about me, yet you
refuse to come to me to have life.

In point of fact, Jesus' superior urges folks to contact His son.

● John 6:44-45 . . No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws
him, and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets: "They will
all be taught by God." Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from Him
comes to me.

NOTE: In the letter to Hebrews, Jesus is portrayed as the new covenant's high
priest. Now it would be a fine kettle of fish if I was never permitted to communicate
with the one man in Heaven that I'm confident has God's ear.

I have inoperable end-stage esophageal cancer. Radiation and chemo have slowed
it down, but haven't stopped it. When I complete my walk thru the valley of the
shadow of death, I hope to have enough presence of mind remaining to speak up
the same as Stephen did in his last moments.

● Acts 7:59 . .While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed: Lord Jesus,
receive my spirit.
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[Paul]

Of course! My beliefs color my use of Scripture, as do yours. My point, however, is that your use of that reference as support of your doctrine, is no more useful than if I had done so in support of my doctrine. Therefore, your point in using that "and" as a definite separation between deity of God and the nature of the Son of God, is defeated.

You didn't read this:
Now this is eternal life that they know us the only true God.

What your stating is that Jesus Himself calling the Father the only true God is not useful who the true God is.

Noted

But I follow Him.

 

[Paul]

What we have here is a denial of the Trinity. . .your unbelief makes you unorthodox.

I am in Good company.
“Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’”

I pass this test.
Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

 

[Paul]

Matt 16:13-18 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" And they said, "Some say John the Baptist others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
This alone shows that the expression Son of God means more than a spokesperson for God, as were the prophets. It declares his deity. And it is not knowledge that the human mind on its own (flesh and blood) can or does grasp. It is something that must be and is revealed to them by God himself. IOW, he must open the eyes of their heart to see it. It is also the very foundation of Christ's church---(Christianity. Those in Christ through faith). To be a Christian, one who belongs to Christ, means more than to be a follower of Christ in a loose sense of the word. Many follow his moral teachings, but do not believe that he is God. Until the Father reveals "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" he is just another prophet, or a good man, or a teacher---just man.

The deity of Christ is the very rock upon which his church is built.

What your stating is what the Father revealed is not good enough. But Jesus stated to such a person "blessed are you"
Who do you say that I am?
Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

IN HIM NOT HIM -He is ALL that the Father is. BUT He has always been the Son -The Firstborn of all creation.
Col 1:19; Col 2:9

 

[Paul]

My question was:

Answer the question instead of deflecting.

I state the oneness that Jesus taught between Him and the Father -truth as given from above.

It is you who are deflecting.

If you think what I state is a lie prove it from scripture.

 

[Paul]

Is it okay to pray to Jesus?

I have loved the lord and prayed to Jesus as far back as my memory goes and received answers. I now have white hair.

I worship God my Father and Jesus my Lord as is the will of God.

I have the spirit of Christ in me.

 

[Fred]

I have loved the lord and prayed to Jesus as far back as my memory goes and received answers.

1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven...for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men.

Only God fully knows the hearts of all, so only God is the proper recipient of prayer.

Since the Bible teaches the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer proves He is God.

 

[Fred]

You didn't read this:
Now this is eternal life that they know us the only true God.

What your stating is that Jesus Himself calling the Father the only true God is not useful who the true God is.

Noted

But I follow Him.

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Jul 4, 2025

I guess he doesn't understand what "ONLY" means!

The same Greek word for only (monos) as found in John 17:3 is used in Jude 4.

Master (despotēs)
Jude 4
For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Acts 4:24
When they heard this, they all raised their voices to God and said, Master, You are the One who made the...

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