Prove the Practice of Worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son

[Fred]

Then explain why the Holy Spirit does not know the time and day of the rapture and neither the Son, but the Father does? The Holy Spirit knows the deep things of God but not that?

So every scripture has to be aligned with the truth in His words because scripture cannot go against scripture.

See post 52.

 

[Fred]

That reference does not support your comment, brother Fred.

Proof?

Wayne Grudem: We are to pray only to God, who alone is omnipotent and thus able to answer prayer and who alone is omniscient and therefore able to hear the prayers of all his people at once. By virtue of omnipotence and omniscience, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are also worthy of being prayed to, but this is not true of any other being (Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine, page 407).

 

[ChristB4us]

In the Old Testament when one turned to the Lord it involved rendering worship unto Him.
Psalm 22:27
All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD,
And all the families of the nations will worship before You.

Psalm 24:6This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.

Psalm 27:8When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, Lord, will I seek.

Psalm 105:4Seek the Lord, and his strength: seek his face evermore.

Turning to the Lord involves worshiping the Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 3:16-17
(16) but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
(17) Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

What bible version are you using? In context, this is about the Lord removing the vail on their hearts is what that it being..

2 Corinthians 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. KJV

The Lord is that Spirit as the Spirit of the Lord. Note how it is written that the Lord is that Spirit rather than the Lord is the Spirit per your version whatever that version is? The Lord Jesus Christ takes away the vail that was over all Old Testament saints in their reading of Moses through the Holy Spirit in believers now as they are changed as a new creature in Christ filled with the Holy Ghost when they were born again of the Spirit.

 

[Fred]

The Lord is that Spirit as the Spirit of the Lord. Note how it is written that the Lord is that Spirit rather than the Lord is the Spirit per your version whatever that version is?

NASB (1995)
Either way, the Lord refers to the Holy Spirit. It is His ministry (2 Corinthians 3:8), and it is being contrasted with the one given through Moses throughout this text.

The Lord Jesus Christ takes away the vail that was over all Old Testament saints in their reading of Moses through the Holy Spirit in believers now as they are changed as a new creature in Christ filled with the Holy Ghost when they were born again of the Spirit.

All Three Persons of the Trinity are involved.

 

[ChristB4us]

See post 52.

Okay...

Can God speak in a way of not knowing something (Deuteronomy 13:3) even though He knows it (1 Kings 8:39)?

Deuteronomy 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

That is a warning for hearkening unto the word of that prophet or that dreamer and that is how He will prove for them to know by how they hearken unto them or not if they love Him with all their heart and with all their soul or not. This is about how they cannot escape His judgment by doing those sins.

1 Kings 8:39 Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men

They actually align with each other in truth & His judgment.

 

[Eleanor]

Correct.
Thus, John prays to all Three to bless the reader.

Each have their own functions, the Holy Spirit's function being to reveal the Father and the Son and to enable response, but where one is, all are.

 

[ChristB4us]

Proof?

Wayne Grudem: We are to pray only to God, who alone is omnipotent and thus able to answer prayer and who alone is omniscient and therefore able to hear the prayers of all his people at once. By virtue of omnipotence and omniscience, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are also worthy of being prayed to, but this is not true of any other being (Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine, page 407).

Wayne Grudem did not use any bible references to support that statement of "God the Holy Spirit are also worthy of being prayed to"

 

[Fred]

Each have their own functions, but where one is, all are.

What one hears they all hear.

 

[Fred]

Wayne Grudem did not use any bible references to support that statement of "God the Holy Spirit are also worthy of being prayed to"

I did. The Triune 'Lord' is being prayed to in Acts 1:24-26.

In reference to the Holy Spirit:

First proof: He is called "Lord" in 2 Corinthians 3:17. This links with the fifth proof below.

Second proof: In proper prayer one must seek to know (and do) the will of the Lord.
Acts 21:11, 14
(11) When he had come to us, he took Paul’s belt, bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus says the Holy Spirit, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt, and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles....
(14) So when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, The will of the Lord be done.

Thus says the Holy Spirit = The will of the Lord

In the Old Testament when a prophet announced, "Thus says the Lord..." it was a proclamation by the prophet to what God had told him to say. Likewise, the Holy Spirit communicates His sovereign will to Agabus in order for him to relate it to Paul.

New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (NIDNTT): In Acts 21:11 Agabus (like the prophets of the OT; cf. Isa 20:2; Jer. 13:1 ff.) carried out a symbolic action with Paul's girdle (a long cloth worn about the waist), to indicate the coming arrest of Paul. "The accompanying word of interpretation 'Thus says the Holy Spirit!' corresponds to the OT 'Thus says Yahweh!'" (3:121, Ready, Friedel Selter).


Third proof:
He fully knows the hearts in order to intercede for the saints (Romans 8:27).
Since He fully knows the hearts of all demonstrates He is the proper recipient of prayer.
1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven...for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men. (NASB)


Fourth proof:
The Holy Spirit is said to be responsible for fulfilling the task of selecting overseers for the church.
His approval is necessary.

Acts 1:20 (episkopē)
Let another take his office.
Acts 20:28 (episkopos)
Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.


Fifth proof:
The Lord was asked in prayer for a replacement of Judas "to take part in this ministry." (Acts 1:25)
To Whom does this ministry belong to? The Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 3:8
how will the ministry of the Holy Spirit not be more glorious?

It is His ministry, so He is responsible for choosing an overseer for it.

 

[ChristB4us]

NASB (1995)
Either way, the Lord refers to the Holy Spirit. It is His ministry (2 Corinthians 3:8), and it is being contrasted with the one given through Moses throughout this text.

So the NASB you have been referencing from?

It is the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ that is being done through the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit gives that credit & glory to that ministry to Jesus Christ because that is what the Holy Spirit will do.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Why?
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

All Three Persons of the Trinity are involved.

Still, according to John 16:13-14, the Holy Spirit defers the credit & glory for anything the Holy Spirit does to Jesus Christ? Why? Because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ.

 

[Fred]

So the NASB you have been referencing from?

Yes.

It is the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ that is being done through the Holy Spirit

Thus, the Holy Spirit is involved.

 

[ChristB4us]

What one hears they all hear.

Then why designate there being only One Mediator between God and men? 1 Timothy 2:5

Why designate that Jesus says He will answer prayers? John 14:13-14

Why would the Father raise that standard of judgment over all believers in John 5:22-23 where the moment we stop honoring the Son, we are no longer honoring the Father?

You go round about through out the scripture to go around Jesus in order to go to the Holy Spirit also in prayers and yet gloss over those scriptures that plainly refutes you for trying to do so. When are you going to address why the Holy Spirit is not mentioned as the another way to the Father but Jesus said but by Me? Why didn't Jesus also mentioned to honor the Holy Spirit also in honoring the Father?

I tell you why.

A brother online from another Christian forum now gone, formerly known as Christian Lampstand Forum, had testified that he never believed in the dramatic manifestations of the Holy Spirit will happen today as it did back in the early days of the church.

Then he testified that one calendar "Pentecost" Sunday, they held a worship service in honoring the Holy Spirit. Then he felt something like liquid nitrogen seeping through his skull and he began confessing against his will, an apology to the Holy Spirit for not believing He did these dramatic manifestations like He did in the early church days.

#1. The Holy Spirit is in him and so what he is feeling coming from outside in seeping through his skull was not the Holy Spirit. 1 John 4:4

#2. God would like a willing apology rather than a forced one as the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets for God is not the author of confusion but of peace in all churches of the saints, that means no loss of self control there; 1 Corinthians 14:32-33

Do you see my concern now? He was honoring the Holy Spirit and this happened. Why? Because that is not how the Father wants us to honor Him by. It is because of the spirits of the antichrist in the world and God is calling them away from those spirits is why all invitations in coming to God the Father is by the only way of the Son; even after salvation so that saved believers can avoid the spirits of the antichrist. Nuff said.

Good night, brother Fred. May God bless you & keep you. May He shine His face upon you & give you His peace.

 

[Fred]

Then why designate there being only One Mediator between God and men? 1 Timothy 2:5

Which doesn't at all contradict what I asserted that what one hears they all hear.

Why designate that Jesus says He will answer prayers?

To prove that He is God.

You go round about through out the scripture to go around Jesus in order to go to the Holy Spirit

Strawman. I never asserted that.

also in prayers and yet gloss over those scriptures that plainly refutes you for trying to do so.

That's like saying Jesus is referred to as the Son of Man more than He is referred to as the Son of God so therefore He is the Son of Man and not the Son of God.



Like your example, don't use a personal experience to allow or disallow something.
God by what the Bible affirms. Will there be abuse? Yes, but that isn't the fault of what God put in the Bible. A wife should be submiussive to her hsuband. Will there be abuse in that? Sadly, yes. But that doesn't give us the authority to eradicate or even water down what the Bible affirms.

Goodnight and thank you for this conversation.

Please see what I posted concerning Acts 1:24-26 in post 69.
There is also quite a bit of evidence that the prayer is to the Father and to the Son as well.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Back in 381 A.D., the Nicene Council modified the creed in 325 A.D. to add the testimony that the Holy Spirit is the Giver of Life and Lord while at the same time introducing the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.

We pray to the Father, through (or in the name of) the Son, by the power of the Holy Spirit. All three are active participants in the believer’s prayer. All three of the persons of God are, in fact, God as there is only one God. It seems to me that this is a false distinction ( not praying to the Spirit ) simply for the fact that prayer to God at all is prayer too all three of the persons. It is also somewhat formulaic and places restrictions where the Bible does not place them.

Do I *have* to pray "Father" or "Jesus" or "Lord Jesus" or simply "Lord" or...where does it end? By who's authority? Certainly not the Scripture as it does not disallow such a thing. It is also not inferred. So the argument is from silence.

Anywho I'll leave you and the group to noodle through this and the following:

Acts 4:31-Acts 5

31 And when they had prayed earnestly, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with confidence.32 And the congregation of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and not one was saying that any of his possessions was his own, but, for them, everything was common.33 And with great power the apostles were bearing witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all.34 For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales35 and lay them at the apostles’ feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need.36 Now Joseph, a Levite of Cyprian birth, who was also called Barnabas by the apostles (which translated means Son of Encouragement),37 and who owned a field, sold it and brought the money and laid it at the apostles’ feet.1 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property,2 and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife’s full knowledge. And bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles’ feet.3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land?4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your authority? Why is it that you laid this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”5 And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard.6 And the young men rose up and wrapped him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.

 

[ChristB4us]

Which doesn't at all contradict what I asserted that what one hears they all hear.

So when Jesus died on the cross, They all died?

To prove that He is God.

John 14:13-14 says why so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers. Nothing about the Holy Spirit.

Strawman. I never asserted that.

But you are when you are deferring from the scriptures that plainly states the only way how we are to approach God the Father by John 14:6 and how we are to only honor the Father by John 5:22-23. Neither references mentions the Holy Spirit as another way to come to God the Father by nor to honor Him by.

That's like saying Jesus is referred to as the Son of Man more than He is referred to as the Son of God so therefore He is the Son of Man and not the Son of God.

Philippians 2:5-13 KJV The only problem with that analogy is that there are no scripture teaching the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son in all of the N.T. but there ae scripture that specifically states how we are to approach God the Father by and how to honor the Father by. Even Paul stress this as the mind of Christ the Philippians were to have in his absence in obedience when in worship.

Like your example, don't use a personal experience to allow or disallow something.
God by what the Bible affirms. Will there be abuse? Yes, but that isn't the fault of what God put in the Bible. A wife should be submiussive to her hsuband. Will there be abuse in that? Sadly, yes. But that doesn't give us the authority to eradicate or even water down what the Bible affirms.

The Bible does not plainly teach the worship of the holy Ghost with the Father & the Son. It does teach specifically how the Father is to be approached by and honored by. It is a narrow way as Jesus is that gate.

By broadening the way in the worship place, prayer, and fellowship, it is a work of iniquity for why God will permit the spirits of the antichrist to come in with their visitations of signs and lying wonders.

When the holy laughter movement happened in 1997 as going across the denominational divide as it was happening in Catholic and Protestant churches and thus no longer a streamlined Pentecostal/Charismatic event as reported by the 700 Club, you really have to wonder why God would allow that to happen and I believe it is because they did not strive to enter thru that straight gate in worship.

When it happens in your church, when honoring or praying to the Holy Spirit, you will have a very hard time convincing any one that phenomenon was not the Holy Spirit since they were honoring or/and praying to the Holy Spirit & so that was "the Holy Spirit". They would say only God answers prayers and the Holy Spirit answered their prayers to come with visitations of signs & lying wonders. Then they would try to silence you by saying you are committing the unforgivable sin by blaspheming the Holy Spirit by saying that was the spirit of the antichrist.

Goodnight and thank you for this conversation.

Good morning, and I hope in Jesus Christ that He is minsitering today cause I know I cannot cause the increase or convince any one the truth.

Please see what I posted concerning Acts 1:24-26 in post 69.
There is also quite a bit of evidence that the prayer is to the Father and to the Son as well.

Acts 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Again no mention of the Holy Spirit and He does not make the choice when He only speaks what He hears from the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Why?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me........13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Believe that Truth.

 

[ChristB4us]

We pray to the Father, through (or in the name of) the Son, by the power of the Holy Spirit. All three are active participants in the believer’s prayer. All three of the persons of God are, in fact, God as there is only one God. It seems to me that this is a false distinction ( not praying to the Spirit ) simply for the fact that prayer to God at all is prayer too all three of the persons. It is also somewhat formulaic and places restrictions where the Bible does not place them.

Thank you for replying.

How is this for restrictions?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me........13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Do I *have* to pray "Father" or "Jesus" or "Lord Jesus" or simply "Lord" or...where does it end? By who's authority? Certainly not the Scripture as it does not disallow such a thing. It is also not inferred. So the argument is from silence.

Not really when scripture is not silent on that at all for why Jesus is the narrow way aka the straight gate that saved believers are being warned to strive to enter into and not by the "broad" way which that ecumenical Nicene creed of 381 A.D. did.

Error is found in both the Nicene creeds of 325 A.D. & 381 A.D. when they designated the glory of the Maker of the Heaven and the Earth to be the Father rather than the Son per the OP. Refutation by the scripture is below;

John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made...... 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Since there can be no lie of the truth, why adhere to any of those two of the Nicene creeds?

Anywho I'll leave you and the group to noodle through this and the following:

Acts 4:31-Acts 5

31 And when they had prayed earnestly, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with confidence.32 And the congregation of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and not one was saying that any of his possessions was his own, but, for them, everything was common.33 And with great power the apostles were bearing witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all.34 For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales35 and lay them at the apostles’ feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need.36 Now Joseph, a Levite of Cyprian birth, who was also called Barnabas by the apostles (which translated means Son of Encouragement),37 and who owned a field, sold it and brought the money and laid it at the apostles’ feet.1 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property,2 and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife’s full knowledge. And bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles’ feet.3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land?4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your authority? Why is it that you laid this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”5 And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard.6 And the young men rose up and wrapped him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.

This was not a prayer to the Holy Ghost but what they were doing in heart by their deed, thinking they can lie to the Holy Ghost and thus to God by with holding a portion from the sale from giving to the assembly of the new community of believers. Apparently, it was revealed that in heart, they were not only lying to the community of believers by that false appearance of giving away all of what they had sold, but they had thought they could fool God as well which was a fatal mistake to do.

As it is, no scripture by @Fred nor you, nulls & voids what has bene plainly written for how God the Father wants us to approach Him by and to honor Him by and if the Holy Spirit was another way to approach God the Father by and to honor God the Father by, Jesus would have said so.

The fact that He stresses that any other way makes the believer a thief as in a worker of iniquity, should warn us that He meant what He said.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber..... 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

 

[Fred]

So when Jesus died on the cross, They all died?

The Bible doesn't teach that, but it does teach the Holy Spirit knows the hearts of all.

The only problem with that analogy is that there are no scripture teaching the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son in all of the N.T.

I already cited Revelation 1:4-5

Acts 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Again no mention of the Holy Spirit

No mention of "the Fathe"r and there is no mention of "the Lord Jesus" either - You completely ignored all the evidence I supplied in post 69.
Why did you ignore it?

 

[ChristB4us]

The Bible doesn't teach that, but it does teach the Holy Spirit knows the hearts of all.

No, it does not plainly and directly testify to that but to Jesus Christ at that throne of grace doing that per Hebrews 4:12-16.

I already cited Revelation 1:4-5

Original 1611 KJV has spirits as small "s" and since there is only One Holy Spirit per Ephesians 4:4 , those seven spirits are the seven angels.

No mention of "the Fathe"r and there is no mention of "the Lord Jesus" either - You completely ignored all the evidence I supplied in post 69.
Why did you ignore it?

I missed it, although some have been addressed anyway in other posts.

I did. The Triune 'Lord' is being prayed to in Acts 1:24-26.

Repeating portion of post # 75 as addressed earlier.

Acts 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Again no mention of the Holy Spirit and He does not make the choice when He only speaks what He hears from the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Why?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me........13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Believe that Truth.

 

[ChristB4us]

In reference to the Holy Spirit:

First proof: He is called "Lord" in 2 Corinthians 3:17. This links with the fifth proof below.

Ask Jesus how you are applying verse 17 wrong.

2 Corinthians 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Fifth proof:
The Lord was asked in prayer for a replacement of Judas "to take part in this ministry." (Acts 1:25)
To Whom does this ministry belong to? The Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 3:8
how will the ministry of the Holy Spirit not be more glorious?

It is His ministry, so He is responsible for choosing an overseer for it.

2 Corinthians 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? KJV

2 Corinthians 3:4 Such is the (I)confidence we have toward God through Christ. 5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves so as to consider anything as having come from ourselves, but (J)our adequacy is from God, 6 who also made us adequate as (K)servants of a (L)new covenant, not of (M)the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but (N)the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the (O)ministry of death, engraved (P)in letters on stones, came [c]with glory (Q)so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? NASB

Definitely see why we are two ships passing in the night on this subject.

Not every Greek word "pneuma" is referring to the Person of the Holy Spirit. It is defined in Strong's Concordance as "from pnew - pneo 4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit:--ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare yuch - psuche 5590Textus Receptus Greek Text King James Bible With Strongs Dictionary."

I believe that the KJV has it right & the NASB has it wrong. Confirmation below per John 6:63.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. KJV

John 6:63 (A)It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh provides no benefit; (B)the words that I have spoken to you are spirit, and are life. NASB

The bold portion in each version proves how the NASB got it wrong for the first half of that verse. Same error found in the NIV but changing the bold portions of the KJV & the NASB.

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life;(A) the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[a] and life. NIV

Only Jesus can convince you as He has done for me to stop using my Ryrie NASB Study Bible and the NIV and rely only on the KJV for the meat aka the truth in His words.

As it is, you have scripture by your NASB Bible that will not agree with the KJV and because scripture cannot go against scripture is why you are doubting His words in your NASB that I have provided to you in the KJV because those other verses sows doubts in the truth of His words in the NASB that it ceases to be meat for you to discern good and evil by His words.

Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I am glad in the Lord Jesus Christ that He has helped me to stop using the NASB & the NIV.

 

[Fred]

No, it does not plainly and directly testify to that but to Jesus Christ at that throne of grace doing that per Hebrews 4:12-16.

Then you contradict Romans 8:27. In order for the Holy Spirit to interceded for the believer He must know their hearts.

Acts 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Again no mention of the Holy Spirit

Since you continue to ignore the evidence I presented in post 69 this conversation is done.

Thank you.