Prove the Practice of Worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son

[Keiw1]

Now think about that comment for a moment. Are you saying the Father's image is not the real thing? So let us look at that verse.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

May I submit to you that invisible just mean "not presently seen"? I mean really. If Jesus is the image of the invisible God, then Jesus would be invisible, right? But of course, for me to suggest this to you, I would need a basis for that suggestion in scripture.

Did you know Jesus Christ is considered invisible too?

1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

So there is basis for applying Colossians 1:15 being about how the father is not presently seen yet.

Will we see the Father in Heaven? Jesus said so whereby we will not need Jesus as our Mediator to ask the Father for us any more in that day.

John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. 25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

So when we see this written;

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Jesus as the Word of God had asked the Father & the Father agreed for how the Son made man after His image and after His likeness. Since the request was made in the plural sense, then that testifies that the father has a body just as the Word of god had one before His incarnation.

Yet Jesus came from the bosom of the Father and has seen the Father for why He is not just the Son of man but the Son of God as God.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Let us( YHWH(Jehovah) and his master worker( Prov 8= Jesus.

 

[Fred]

Twisted bull. No image is ever the real thing.

The words of the Bible are properly defined one way, but your heresy teaches the opposite.

 

[Keiw1]

The words of the Bible are properly defined one way, but your heresy teaches the opposite.

The world is going to hate to see this image of the OT God at Rev 19:11 Jesus will show the whole world. He showed all Gods loving side while on earth. The justice side they will not like. 99% will find out they have been mislead by words from blind guides such as in your last post. Rev 19: 11-21 shows the results. Rev 16 describes it--Every kingdom(nation=Govt, armies, supporters) on earth will be mislead to stand in opposition to Gods king.

 

[ChristB4us]

YHWH( Jehovah) is mentioned in verse 48:16

There you go because the God that is speaking in verse 16 is the God Our Redeemer that the Lord God & his Spirit sent.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

God spoke from heaven. No where does it say Jesus is God in those passages about his baptism. Not in a single translation on earth.

But when you connect that prophesy in Isaiah to Jesus's water baptism, that is the fulfilling of righteousness where God the Fatter & the Holy Spirit sent God Our Redeemer. See now?

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 

[Keiw1]

There you go because the God that is speaking in verse 16 is the God Our Redeemer that the Lord God & his Spirit sent.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

But when you connect that prophesy in Isaiah to Jesus's water baptism, that is the fulfilling of righteousness where God the Fatter & the Holy Spirit sent God Our Redeemer. See now?

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Yes the true God spoke from heaven.

 

[ChristB4us]

Yes the true God spoke from heaven.

The Lord God spoke from Heaven with the added witness of the Holy Ghost in sending God Our Redeemer, Whom is speaking here in Isaiah as being sent by the Lord God and His Spirit.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

 

[Agra Man]

I would say because Jesus Christ is the only Mediator between God and men hence according to the will of God. That means the "he" in the KJV is the "he" that searches our hearts and knows the mind of the Spirit and so that he in the conclusion of that verse cannot be "the Spirit".

You had identified Jesus as that "he" that searches our hearts for why it cannot conclude as the Spirit at the end of that verse.

This is why Jesus alone is at that throne of grace to answer prayers for when the father gives permission for the Son to answer that prayer.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Doesn't say that. Still goes to that throne of grace of Whom we have to answer to and that is Jesus Christ.

Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

I do not see that in scripture but I do see that when we do not know what to pray for the Father already knows before we ask because Jesus searches our hearts & knows the mind of the Spirit.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.


The Holy Spirit cannot speak from Himself let alone utter any groanings from Himself.

John 16:13 But when He, (A)the Spirit of truth, comes, He will (B)guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. NASB

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth,(A) comes, he will guide you into all the truth.(B) He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. NIV

John 16:13 When (A)the Spirit of truth comes, (B)he will (C)guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but (D)whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. ESV

John 16:13 When the Holy Spirit, who is truth, comes, he shall guide you into all truth, for he will not be presenting his own ideas, but will be passing on to you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future. TLB

The Holy Spirit is serving as the Spirit of Christ. He cannot use any words on His own for why the Son has to know the mind of the Spirit to make the Spirit's silent intercessions known to the Father.

The NIV does not have Romans 8:26-27 right. John 16:13 below proves it as that is the truth fund in all modern Bibles.

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth,(A) comes, he will guide you into all the truth.(B) He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. NIV

May God help you to see that truth. I know I cannot do it.

You know if you need that much proof to give your point it may not be as solid as you think.

Tell me what do you think of this?

John 14:13-17 NKJV​

And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it. “If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

 

[ReverendRV]

You know if you need that much proof to give your point it may not be as solid as you think.

Tell me what do you think of this?

John 14:13-17 NKJV​

And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it. “If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

Sorry, I thought you needed help...

I'll at least say that Christ's Commandments for the Church are known as the Royal Law of Christ; not the Law of Moses...

I'll Post my Gospel Tract about this. After you read it, and you really need help; I'll keep coming. But I'm not looking for a Debate...

 

[ReverendRV]

Sorry, I thought you needed help...

I'll at least say that Christ's Commandments for the Church are known as the Royal Law of Christ; not the Law of Moses...

I'll Post my Gospel Tract about this. After you read it, and you really need help; I'll keep coming. But I'm not looking for a Debate...

The Royal Law ~ by ReverendRV * November 8

James 2:8 KJV; If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well.

There was a time when Jesus commissioned several disciples and he was instructing them in the way of his ministry. During this time an Expert spoke up and asked Jesus how to inherit Eternal Life, this is what was said; “Behold, a Lawyer stood up to put Jesus to the test. ‘Teacher, what shall I do to inherit Eternal Life?’ Jesus said, ‘What is written in the Law? How does it say?’ The Lawyer answered, ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your Heart and with all your Soul and with all your Strength and with all your Mind, and your neighbor as yourself.’ Jesus said ‘You have answered correctly; do it, and you will live.’ The lawyer desired to justify himself, ‘Who is my neighbor?"’ ~ Saint James taught about Loving your Neighbor, about not showing partiality; which the Expert had in spades! ~ How could you ever keep this Royal Law with all your Heart?

Jesus answered the Lawyer’s question with an example of a foreigner who helped an injured man on a road. A Priest and a Levite wouldn’t stop to help the man. The Lawyer knew that if this ever occurred, Jesus would be right; because those two wouldn’t touch anything unclean. Have you ever helped someone when they were in dire straits? Most people can answer Yes to this; but none can say that they kept the Law of God by doing this! You object, “Saint Paul said Loving your Neighbor as yourself fulfills the Law!” Yes he did; but only a Royal Prince from Heaven can fulfill this Royal Law of God. A Pauper only has a Commoners Law that was given to Sinners; the Ten Commandments. These ten Laws were given to show us that we are guilty as Sin, and that we’re outlaws who will be locked away in a devil’s Hell for all Eternity. ~ The Baptist Theologian John Gill said this of the Royal Law; ‘Which is the Law of love to Man, without distinction of rich and poor, high and low, bond and free; and is so called, because it’s the Law of the King of kings, it is the Law of Christ, who is King of Saints; and because it is a principal Law, the chief of Laws; as Love to God is the sum of the first and great commandment in the Law, and may be called the King of Laws; so Love to the Neighbor is the second and next unto it, and may very well bear the name of the Queen of Laws, and has Royalty in it; and indeed this last is said to be the fulfilling of the Law, and it is also submitted to, and obeyed by such who are made kings and priests to God; and to be done in a Royal manner, with a Princely Spirit, Willingly, and with all readiness:’

What we need is to be made Kings and Priests of God in order to be able to fulfill the Queen of Laws and live! There’s only one way to receive this Coronation and it’s by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ the King of Kings; without Works lest we boast. His shed blood pays our Sin debt for us, but his Resurrection from the dead grants us our Royal title. Repent from Sin, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God; and you will be Forgiven. Gain your commission from him and you’ll be Saved from your Sins; you will be spiritually Born Again with a Prince’s birthright! Jesus will grant it that you rule and reign with him in his Kingdom forever in Eternity. You’re now able to keep the Royal Law of God since you’re under the jurisdiction of Heaven as a citizen who can exercise your new found rights. ~ Give up your life as a dying Pauper and exchange it for the Life of an everlasting Prince; an Heir of the one true King. Read the Bible and find your Kingdom Agenda…

Revelations 1:6 KJV; To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

 

[Keiw1]

The Lord God spoke from Heaven with the added witness of the Holy Ghost in sending God Our Redeemer, Whom is speaking here in Isaiah as being sent by the Lord God and His Spirit.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Is 48:16-- Come near to me, you people. Hear this. From the start i have spoken in no place of concealment at all. From the time of its occurring i have been there.
And now the Sovreign Lord YHWH(Jehovah) has sent me, even his spirit.

 

[Agra Man]

Sorry, I thought you needed help...

I'll at least say that Christ's Commandments for the Church are known as the Royal Law of Christ; not the Law of Moses...

I'll Post my Gospel Tract about this. After you read it, and you really need help; I'll keep coming. But I'm not looking for a Debate...

Sorry I tried to come back sooner. Before responding to anything else when you say I really need help what help do you think I need? I am willing to at least listen but what am I lacking in that requires help?

 

[ChristB4us]

You know if you need that much proof to give your point it may not be as solid as you think.

Tell me what do you think of this?

John 14:13-17 NKJV​

And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it. “If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Note in the bold italics how the world cannot know the Holy Spirit because the world goes after spirits in receiving them by seeing it happen like mediums contacting ghosts and kundalini, an eastern mysticism.

But you will now the real Holy Spirit by Him being in you; not out in the world where the spirits of the antichrist are at. When does this receiving of the promise happen? By believing in Jesus Christ, the calling of the gospel. That is how one is born again of the Spirit.

 

[ChristB4us]

Is 48:16-- Come near to me, you people. Hear this. From the start i have spoken in no place of concealment at all. From the time of its occurring i have been there.
And now the Sovreign Lord YHWH(Jehovah) has sent me, even his spirit.

Again, that is still the Lord Jehovah that is speaking as the Lord God and His Spirit sent Him.

 

[Keiw1]

Again, that is still the Lord Jehovah that is speaking as the Lord God and His Spirit sent Him.

Yes Jehovah sent another.

 

[ChristB4us]

Yes Jehovah sent another.

Jehovah was sent by the Lord God & His Spirit. Read that again.

 

[Keiw1]

Jehovah was sent by the Lord God & His Spirit. Read that again.

No Jehovah was not sent-Michael the archangel was sent to earth by Jehovah and named Jesus as a mortal. There is much bible proof.

 

[ChristB4us]

No Jehovah was not sent-Michael the archangel was sent to earth by Jehovah and named Jesus as a mortal. There is much bible proof.

Do reconsider because if you say that is Jehovah speaking then the Lord God and His Spirit sent Jehovah and thus Jesus is that Jehovah.

 

[Keiw1]

Do reconsider because if you say that is Jehovah speaking then the Lord God and His Spirit sent Jehovah and thus Jesus is that Jehovah.

YHWH(Jehovah) said to my Lord( Jesus) --proves Jesus is not YHWH.

 

[Fred]

YHWH(Jehovah) said to my Lord( Jesus) --proves Jesus is not the Father.

Fixed it for ya - the boldface above is mine.

 

[ChristB4us]

YHWH(Jehovah) said to my Lord( Jesus) --proves Jesus is not YHWH.

According to your changed Bible version I reckon. The Father can very well speak to His Son, Jehovah.

Jehovah is the God men had seen in the O.T. They heard this Jehovah spoke. But Jesus said this;

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

So if that was not the Father seen and heard in the O.T. that appeared to Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob, then who was it?

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

So Jesus Christ was Jehovah before His incarnation.