Prove the Practice of Worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son

[Eleanor]

No Jesus was never Jehovah.

The NT disagrees with you:

Mt 3:3, Lk 1:67-68, 76 (Isa 40:3) - Jesus is the YHWH of whom the voice calling in the wilderness (John the Baptist) prepared the way.

Ro 10:9, 13 (Joel 2:32) - Paul teaches Jesus is the YHWH of Joel's prophecy that "everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved."

Heb 1:6 (Dt 32:43) - Heb quotes Moses' song referring to YHWH and says it applies to Jesus.

 

[Eleanor]

God created all other things through his master worker( Prov 8:30)- All creation occurred at the beginning. The being God sent and named Jesus as a mortal is the FIRSTBORN of all creation.( Coll 1:15)--- Created direct-first and last( Prov 8:22-25= only begotten son.

You didn't answer the question of where he was between the time he created everything and the time he was conceived in Mary's womb.

And then there is the whole issue of his existence starting from scratch again in Mary's womb.

 

[ChristB4us]

No man has ever seen God, so obviously it was one sent in Gods name to speak for God.

Is Jehovah a liar when He said He appeared unto Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob & had spoken to them? And even Moses?

May God help you to see the truth that the JW were not successful in changing enough of the scripture to fit their new ideology. Even your NWT was not changed to match what scriptures plainly proves that Jesus is the Jehovah that men had seen in the O.T. for Jesus to say Moses had written about Him.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Go ahead and check the NWT and see that Jesus's words matched the KJV to prove that they did not change everything to fit their ideology.

To be disciples of Jesus Christ is to testify of the son in seeking the glory of the Son as led by the Holy spirit to do because that is what the Holy Spirit is to do also.

john 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Believe it or not, most Christian churches today do not see the offense by worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son because the Holy Spirit in us would not lead us to do that, but that is what that ecumenical Nicene creed of 381 A.D. did in leading many astray. although there is a triune God but they apply the Trinity doctrine wrong as if they can approach God the father in worship by honoring the Holy Spirit or the blessed Trinity ignoring what Jesus said was the only way to honor the Father by was by honoring the Son because the moment they stop honoring the Son, they are no longer honoring the Father per John 5:22-23.

 

[Eleanor]

You throw away factual reasoning and twist 1 line. Rev 1:1 proves 100% Jesus is not God--A revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him.---See 1 being, God, gave another being-Jesus a revelation. 2 beings 1 is God 1 is not. There is only 1 God.

The NT presents Jesus as the YHWH of the OT in

Mt 3:3, Lk 1:67-68, 76 (Isa 40:3) - Jesus is the YHWH of whom the voice calling in the wilderness (John the Baptist) prepared the way.

Ro 10:9, 13 (Joel 2:32) - Paul teaches Jesus is the YHWH of Joel's prophecy that "everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved."

Heb 1:6 (Dt 32:43) - Jesus is the YHWH of Moses' song.

Looks like your church had it right the first time.

All your reasonings, objections and unbelief do not unseat the testimony of the above Scriptures.

Scriptures does not contradict itself, but your reasonings, ojections and unbelief do.

 

[Keiw1]

The NT disagrees with you:

Mt 3:3, Lk 1:67-68, 76 (Isa 40:3) - Jesus is the YHWH of whom the voice calling in the wilderness (John the Baptist) prepared the way.

Ro 10:9, 13 (Joel 2:32) - Paul teaches Jesus is the YHWH of Joel's prophecy that "everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved."

Heb 1:6 (Dt 32:43) - Heb quotes Moses' song referring to YHWH and says it applies to Jesus.

No it's YHWH,s will that is accomplished through Jesus.
YHWH(Jehovah) s name belongs at Joel 2:21-22 and at Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13-- In the Divine name kjv his name is in those spots. You assume its Jesus because your bible says Lord.
The actual translating of (Greek) Proskenaue for Jesus is Obeisance, not worship. Obeisance to Gods appointed king.

 

[Keiw1]

You didn't answer the question of where he was between the time he created everything and the time he was conceived in Mary's womb.

And then there is the whole issue of his existence starting from scratch again in Mary's womb.

He is Michael the archangel, he was in heaven.

 

[Keiw1]

Is Jehovah a liar when He said He appeared unto Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob & had spoken to them? And even Moses?

May God help you to see the truth that the JW were not successful in changing enough of the scripture to fit their new ideology. Even your NWT was not changed to match what scriptures plainly proves that Jesus is the Jehovah that men had seen in the O.T. for Jesus to say Moses had written about Him.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Go ahead and check the NWT and see that Jesus's words matched the KJV to prove that they did not change everything to fit their ideology.

To be disciples of Jesus Christ is to testify of the son in seeking the glory of the Son as led by the Holy spirit to do because that is what the Holy Spirit is to do also.

john 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Believe it or not, most Christian churches today do not see the offense by worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son because the Holy Spirit in us would not lead us to do that, but that is what that ecumenical Nicene creed of 381 A.D. did in leading many astray. although there is a triune God but they apply the Trinity doctrine wrong as if they can approach God the father in worship by honoring the Holy Spirit or the blessed Trinity ignoring what Jesus said was the only way to honor the Father by was by honoring the Son because the moment they stop honoring the Son, they are no longer honoring the Father per John 5:22-23.

God didnt lie, your misunderstanding makes it seem that way. Since the NT teaches no man has ever seen God-you know its true, thus an alternate meaning like one was sent in Jehovah's name to Abraham. All true servants do it all in Jehovah's name. Even Jesus did that.

 

[Keiw1]

The NT presents Jesus as the YHWH of the OT in

Mt 3:3, Lk 1:67-68, 76 (Isa 40:3) - Jesus is the YHWH of whom the voice calling in the wilderness (John the Baptist) prepared the way.

Ro 10:9, 13 (Joel 2:32) - Paul teaches Jesus is the YHWH of Joel's prophecy that "everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved."

Heb 1:6 (Dt 32:43) - Jesus is the YHWH of Moses' song.

Looks like your church had it right the first time.

All your reasonings, objections and unbelief do not unseat the testimony of the above Scriptures.

Scriptures does not contradict itself, but your reasonings, ojections and unbelief do.

Only by your teachers twisting what is actually said.

 

[Eleanor]

No it's YHWH,s will that is accomplished through Jesus.
YHWH(Jehovah) s name belongs at Joel 2:21-22 and at Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13-- In the Divine name kjv his name is in those spots. You assume its Jesus because your bible says Lord.

Well, that explains a lot, that is totally contrary to the grammar.

 

[Eleanor]

He is Michael the archangel, he was in heaven.

Previously Biblically demonstrated not to be.

 

[Eleanor]

Only by your teachers twisting what is actually said.

So think everyone's understanding comes from teachers like yours does?

 

[Alive]

He is Michael the archangel, he was in heaven.

I am at a loss to understand what you mean here. Who is Michael?
thank you in advance.

 

[Keiw1]

Well, that explains a lot, that is totally contrary to the grammar.

Acts 2:21 and Romans are both quotes of Joel.

 

[Eleanor]

Acts 2:21 and Romans are both quotes of Joel.

Correct. And who does Ro 10:9-13 present is the YHWH in the fulfillment of Joel 2:32?

 

[ChristB4us]

God didnt lie, your misunderstanding makes it seem that way. Since the NT teaches no man has ever seen God-you know its true, thus an alternate meaning like one was sent in Jehovah's name to Abraham. All true servants do it all in Jehovah's name. Even Jesus did that.

Yet His disciples were all baptized in Jesus's name in being disciples of Jesus Christ.

I shall stop discussing with you now since obviously the Lord is not using me to minister to you.

I hope you have a good day, but I pray the Father will reveal His Son to you that Jesus is Jehovah, the God men had seen and heard in the O.T..

 

[Eleanor]

Yet His disciples were all baptized in Jesus's name in being disciples of Jesus Christ.

I shall stop discussing with you now since obviously the Lord is not using me to minister to you.

I hope you have a good day, but I pray the Father will reveal His Son to you that Jesus is Jehovah, the God men had seen and heard in the O.T..

And there is a lot on the table in post #383 to be dealt with.

 

[ChristB4us]

And there is a lot on the table in post #383 to be dealt with.

May God cause the increase. I thank the Lord for what He has shared through you.

May God bless you & keep you. May He shine His face upon you & give you His peace.

 

[Keiw1]

Correct. And who does Ro 10:9-13 present is the YHWH in the fulfillment of Joel 2:32?

Yes it speaks of YHWH not Jesus. Most are being mislead by the word Lord present in their translation, thinking its Jesus one must call on to be saved.

 

[Keiw1]

Yet His disciples were all baptized in Jesus's name in being disciples of Jesus Christ.

I shall stop discussing with you now since obviously the Lord is not using me to minister to you.

I hope you have a good day, but I pray the Father will reveal His Son to you that Jesus is Jehovah, the God men had seen and heard in the O.T..

YHWH said to my Lord(Jesus) proves Jesus is not YHWH. Jesus is not his own Father now is he? He didn't sit at his own right hand did he?
No Israelite that ever lived served a trinity while serving the Abrahamic God.

 

[Eleanor]

Yes it speaks of YHWH not Jesus. Most are being mislead by the word Lord present in their tranaslation, thinking its Jesus one must call on to be saved.

YHWH is the LORD of Joel 2:32, which quotation Paul uses in reference to Jesus, thereby stating that Jesus is YHWH.