Prove the Practice of Worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son

[ChristB4us]

You made the assertion, so you ought to do it.

By confirming my definition of what that Mediator is by being the only One at that throne of grace IS by how any intercessions comes to the Father because only Jesus answers the prayers.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.....

....13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

 

[Keiw1]

Jesus never taught to pray "only" to the Father.

Matt 6:9--You MUST pray then this way--Our Father.--Matt 6:6--pray to the Father.--Not a single instance in the bible saying to pray to anyone else.

 

[Keiw1]

Paul mention the Son at that throne of grace that we should feel free to go to and not just to the Father.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me....

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

The Holy Spirit is performing His role as the Comforter dwelling within us and not as another Mediator which is why He is not to be prayed to since it is Jesus that answers any prayer, ours, the Holy Spirit's or the Son's own, by the Father's permission.

Yes, pray to the Father, through Jesus name. Not a single instance saying its ok to pray to any but the Father--Matt 6:6-9

 

[Fred]

But their hearts are not always right when they are in their infirmities.

So what!!!

The Holy Spirit knows this!

What can't you see?!

 

[ChristB4us]

Matt 6:9--You MUST pray then this way--Our Father.--Matt 6:6--pray to the Father.--Not a single instance in the bible saying to pray to anyone else.

And

Yes, pray to the Father, through Jesus name. Not a single instance saying its ok to pray to any but the Father--Matt 6:6-9

Who do we call upon to save us? The Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Who do we have to go to when we sin?

1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Who do we go to, to get help to not sin?

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Who is the Mediator that answers prayers when the Father gives permission?

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me...... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

 

[Fred]

By confirming my definition of what that Mediator is by being the only One at that throne of grace IS by how any intercessions comes to the Father because only Jesus answers the prayers.

Only?

The Father doesn't answer them??

 

[ChristB4us]

So what!!!

The Holy Spirit knows this!

What can't you see?!

Who is the Mediator that answers prayers when the Father gives permission?

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me...... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Then why pray to the Holy Spirit when He is not the One that answers prayers from the Father?

 

[Fred]

Matt 6:9--You MUST pray then this way--Our Father.--Matt 6:6--pray to the Father.--Not a single instance in the bible saying to pray to anyone else.

Since you are a Jehovah's Witness then you should know this:

The Watchtower: Jesus did not expect his followers to adhere rigidly to the wording of the model prayer. (Treasure Your Privilege of Prayer, Study Article 31, July 2022, page 21-22)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2022486

 

[Fred]

Who is the Mediator that answers prayers when the Father gives permission?

Irrelevant.
The Holy Spirit knows these hearts.

 

[ChristB4us]

Only?

The Father doesn't answer them??

The Father knows before we ask because Jesus searched our hearts & know the mind of the Spirit to give "our" intercessions to the Father before we, ourselves, ask even silently in secret in prayer.

The Father gave all power unto the Son to answer prayers that He permits so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers and be given thanks in Jesus's name.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me...... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing. 18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Ephesians 5:20Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Colossians 1:3We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
Colossians 1:12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Colossians 3:17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

 

[ChristB4us]

Irrelevant.
The Holy Spirit knows these hearts.

Scripture does testify to when we are grieving Him. It does not testify by knowing our hearts. That job was given to Jesus Christ for a reason.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Note the why in verses 15 & 16.

Stick to testifying of the Son as led by the Holy Spirit in you to do.

 

[Fred]

The Father knows before we ask

Try answering my question this time:

Does the Father answer prayer?

 

[Fred]

Scripture does testify to when we are grieving Him. It does not testify by knowing our hearts.

So the Holy Spirit knows when we are grieving Him, but He doesn't know are our hearts?

This is ludicrous beyond explanation.

 

[Eleanor]

They are One God but the Son is not the Father and neither is the Holy Spirit is the Father. The Son is not the Holy Spirit either.

I am presenting there an analogy of the poster's false logic.

 

[Fred]

I am presenting there an analogy of the poster's false logic.

Which hasn't been proven.

You should be able to figure out the difference between an assertion and proof for that assertion.

 

[Eleanor]

Which hasn't been proven.

You should be able to figure out the difference between an assertion and proof for that assertion.

The analogy is self-evident (proves itself).

 

[Fred]

The analogy self-evident (proves itself).

You haven't specified where it applies in this thread.

Keep up the baseless assertions.

 

[Eleanor]

You haven't specified where it applies in this thread.

Keep up the baseless assertions.

I suspect it would be in the post to which my analogy was responding.

 

[Fred]

I suspect it would be in the post to which my analogy was responding.

And it didn't prove what you asserted.

This what you posted:
And God is the Father.
The Holy Spirit is God.
Thus, the Holy Spirit is the Father.


That fails to take into account the distinction of Persons of the Trinity, so therefore what you wrote about what I allegedly believe is in error.

 

[Arial]

Scripture does testify to when we are grieving Him. It does not testify by knowing our hearts. That job was given to Jesus Christ for a reason.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Note the why in verses 15 & 16.

Stick to testifying of the Son as led by the Holy Spirit in you to do.

You make distinctions where you shouldn't because there are none, and fail to make distinctions where there are distinctions. I am not sure why this happens for in many respects your knowledge of the word is good, and the meanings found. Then in other places it seems to go a bit haywire. From my observation is seems to be in places where the focus is so much directed toward specific things that are really not against the gospel but also not the gospel, (they are pariffial or a different subject,)and begin to make things pertain to that focus that in no way pertain to it. Such as KJV and speaking in tongues. And what you address in this post concerning the jobs of each person of the Trinity. What you say does not produce a unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but completely separates them from one another. As though they are not allowed to overstep certain boundaries, and to have them doing so is iyo antichrist.

The Father knows our hearts, Jesus knows our hearts, the Holy Spirit knows our hearts. To say only Jesus knows our hearts because that is His job is to remove the very character of God from the Father and the Holy Spirit. To say that only Jesus mediates between us and God and therefore the Holy Spirit does not intercede for us in prayer (even though the Bible says He does) is in essence to remove deity from the Holy Spirit. You have them all working separately instead of in unity. The Holy Spirit did not do the work of redemption. Only Jesus did. But that does not remove the Holy Spirit from being an equal participant in redemption with the Father and the Son. They are One. The Father knows our mind and heart, the Holy Spirit knows the Father's mind and intercedes for us accordingly.

And if the Holy Spirit does not know our hearts and is grieved by what He sometimes finds there, them you presume that we have no hidden sins, concealed often even from ourselves (i.e.) speaking kind words towards another while having hatred for them in their heart. Would that grieve the Holy Spirit? It presumes that it is only our outward visible sins that grieve Him.