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Prove the Practice of Worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son

Can you read?
I already addressed this.

Comment on what I have written. Don't just throw the verse back at me.
Actually you were addressing the other reference in Mattew 24:36 which did not mention the Son in it as that was a new reference in Mark 13:32 that did mention the Son.

Matthew 24:36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


Mark 13:32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Mark 13:32 is a new reference that mentioned the Son as not knowing the day nor the hour but the Father does.
 
Actually you were addressing the other reference in Mattew 24:36 which did not mention the Son in it as that was a new reference in Mark 13:32 that did mention the Son.

Matthew 24:36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


Mark 13:32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Mark 13:32 is a new reference that mentioned the Son as not knowing the day nor the hour but the Father does.

Same response from me about both.
 
False accusation. You know, the Bible forbids bearing false witness.
You had applied the Seven Spirit in Revelation before that throne as being the Holy Spirit to pray to. Do you wish to clarify?
 
NIV "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God."

KJV "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."
I'm not seeing a lot of difference there.
Can you spot a grammatical error in the NIV with His help?

How can "he" that is separate from us in searching our hearts and this same "he" separate from the Spirit to know the mind of the Spirit, be "the Spirit" in the conclusion of that verse 27 in the NIV? The KJV is testifying to Another Person and that Person is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Well! I had been thinking all along that Wescott & Hort were compiling a Greek document. I didn't hear about a translation. This is news.

I believe their involvement in the occult influenced them into translating the Greek of Romans 8:26-27 as if the Holy Spirit can utter sounds from Himself in making His intercessions like the familiar spirits do in mediums & the "gods" thru their priests behind idols in Roman Idolatry.

The History of Tongues: Pagan Practices
 
You had applied the Seven Spirit in Revelation before that throne as being the Holy Spirit to pray to. Do you wish to clarify?

Nope.
The seven Spirits represent the Holy Spirit in all His fulness/completeness.
 
Can you spot a grammatical error in the NIV with His help?

How can "he" that is separate from us in searching our hearts and this same "he" separate from the Spirit to know the mind of the Spirit, be "the Spirit" in the conclusion of that verse 27 in the NIV? The KJV is testifying to Another Person and that Person is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Not wasting my time, because it is irrelevant to the following:

If the Holy Spirit doesn't know the hearts of those praying, then it is impossible for Him to intercede for them.
 
Jesus was 100% clear--This is the way you should pray--Our Father.-- no mention of praying to the son or HS.
Paul mention the Son at that throne of grace that we should feel free to go to and not just to the Father.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me....

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

The Holy Spirit is performing His role as the Comforter dwelling within us and not as another Mediator which is why He is not to be prayed to since it is Jesus that answers any prayer, ours, the Holy Spirit's or the Son's own, by the Father's permission.
 
Not wasting my time, because it is irrelevant to the following:

If the Holy Spirit doesn't know the hearts of those praying, then it is impossible for Him to intercede for them.
When scripture designates the One searching our hearts BECAUSE He is the One we are to answer to, at that throne of grace, go with Jesus.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Why only One Mediator at that throne of grace by how any intercessions comes to the Father? Because He is the One that answers prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me....

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

The Holy Spirit is performing His role as the Comforter dwelling within us and not as another Mediator which is why He is not to be prayed to since it is Jesus that answers any prayer, ours, the Holy Spirit's or the Son's own, by the Father's permission.
 
Nope.
The seven Spirits represent the Holy Spirit in all His fulness/completeness.
Then how can you say I am bearing false witness that you are denying Jesus Christ as the Only Mediator between God & men when you say those Seven Spirits before that throne is the holy Spirit by why you say it is okay to pray to the Holy Spirit for??

What part of that is a false witness? Either Jesus is the Only Mediator or He is not when you add the seven "spirit" before that throne to be the holy Spirit also to be prayed to?

Reminder to Fred & the readers that the seven spirits was not originally capitalized in the 1611 KJV as I believe those are the seven angels instead since each address to each church was sent to the each angel of that church in Revelation.
 
And God is the Father.
The Holy Spirit is God.
Thus, the Holy Spirit is the Father.
They are One God but the Son is not the Father and neither is the Holy Spirit is the Father. The Son is not the Holy Spirit either.
 
Then how can you say I am bearing false witness that you are denying Jesus Christ as the Only Mediator between God & men when you say those Seven Spirits before that throne is the holy Spirit by why you say it is okay to pray to the Holy Spirit for??

Jesus is the only Mediator.

Praying to the Holy Spirit doesn't mean He is the Mediator. Praying to the Holy Spirit is done because He is God.
 
This does not speak against the Triune God but how They are each a separate Person as a separate Witness within the Godhead as it is also specified that it is the Father's will to be done and not the Son's will nor the will of the Holy Spirit.
You would need to explain what you mean by "separate witness." The Bible never says that the Father's will is not the Son's will or the Holy Spirit's will. They all will the same thing and work in unison to bring it about.

When Jesus said He did not come to do His will but the Father's will, He was speaking as Son of man and the aspect of His earthly mission of perfect righteousness----complete unwavering obedience even to the Law that He was born under as Son of man, and for us not for HImself. Of course that was the Father's will but that does not mean that before creation, before His incarnation, it was not also Jesus' will. He came and did what He did, even to the point of death on the cross, willingly.
 
The Holy Spirit fully knows the hearts of all in order to intercede for the people praying.
That is not written in that way.

I know we can grieve Him for why we are warned not to grieve Him. Like sowing to the flesh or stewing in the hatred & malice.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

As we are to stick to what the scripture is saying, it seems to me that when the Holy Spirit makes intercessions for us when we do not know what to pray for, and it is with groanings which cannot be uttered, I would say He prays for us when we are in ignorance of what we are doing in grieving Him when we are in our infirmities or for when we are engaging in the infirmity of the flesh when we should not be doing that.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
 
Jesus is the only Mediator.

Praying to the Holy Spirit doesn't mean He is the Mediator. Praying to the Holy Spirit is done because He is God.
Maybe you should define what a Mediator is and why Jesus is designated as only being that Mediator.
 
That is not written in that way.

Yes, it is.
It's speaking about the intercession of the Holy Spirit.

He can't intercede for those praying if He is unaware of the prayers coming from their hearts.
I know we can grieve Him for why we are warned not to grieve Him.

Thus, another proof for Him knowing our hearts.
He doesn't have to wait until we audibly say something to grieve Him. If we think wicked thoughts about things and/or people, then this will grieve Him - He knows this because Hem knows our hearts!
 
You would need to explain what you mean by "separate witness."
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

Now combine the elements of what makes a false witness from a true witness and e see this happen at Jesus's water baptism.

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

What Jesus meant in Matthew 3:15 was the fulfilling of the prophesy in Isaiah where the Lord God and His Spirit sent God Our Redeemer.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
The Bible never says that the Father's will is not the Son's will or the Holy Spirit's will. They all will the same thing and work in unison to bring it about.
Jesus in His prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane did ask the Father for the cup of His coming crucifixion to be assed from Him but nevertheless His will to be done and not His own.

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
When Jesus said He did not come to do His will but the Father's will, He was speaking as Son of man and the aspect of His earthly mission of perfect righteousness----complete unwavering obedience even to the Law that He was born under as Son of man, and for us not for HImself. Of course that was the Father's will but that does not mean that before creation, before His incarnation, it was not also Jesus' will. He came and did what He did, even to the point of death on the cross, willingly.
I understand your point here but what I had shared does not refute nor take away from that truth that the Son did have His own will to pray like that in the Garden of Gethsemane but He did and still does the will of the Father.
 
Yes, it is.
It's speaking about the intercession of the Holy Spirit.

He can't intercede for those praying if He is unaware of the prayers coming from their hearts.
But their hearts are not always right when they are in their infirmities.

James 4:1From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

I would say this is why God does not hear believers when they pray like that for why the grieving Holy Spirit has to make intercessions for them.
Thus, another proof for Him knowing our hearts.
He doesn't have to wait until we audibly say something to grieve Him. If we think wicked thoughts about things and/or people, then this will grieve Him - He knows this because Hem knows our hearts!
Not when they are engaging in infirmities, defiling the temple of God and thus grieving the Holy Spirit. Is it that kind of intercession alone that He makes for them with groanings which cannot be uttered? You tell me, because it seems to be what scripture is testifying about.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
 
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