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Predestination?
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Balls in the air, & you move the goal posts!
Un-level playing field!
Double standards!
No response, ignore most of my points!
Six against one!
Rude people butting when we are trying to have a discussion!
Your understanding, interpretation, meaning is valid and acceptable mine in not!
Sick and tired of being on the down side of these and at the bottom of the pile!
Just saying
Un-level playing field!
Double standards!
No response, ignore most of my points!
Six against one!
Rude people butting when we are trying to have a discussion!
Your understanding, interpretation, meaning is valid and acceptable mine in not!
Sick and tired of being on the down side of these and at the bottom of the pile!
Just saying
Who are you talking to??
Just answer the questions asked.
again
is it possible for the "Elect" to not be saved?
Anyone
It is not possible for the elect to not be saved.
Election is a guarantee that they will be.
Maybe you should be posting at CARM where there are more Catholics participating:
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And the regenerate become willing God seekers.
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or at ChristianForums where they seem to rule the roost?
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Hi Don. I just enjoy these topics. Don’t mean to be rude or butt in. If you rather just discuss this with one person, I understand.
As long as you are alive you have free will to choose good or evil!
To abide in Christ & endure to the end or not Jn 15:4-6 matt 24:13
Possible to fall from grace
Acts judas
Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect,
fallen from grace.
Matt 24:13 he who endures to the end shall be saved.
Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness
Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"
Colossians 2:5
For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"
Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away
Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".
Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end
John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"
John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ
Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"
2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"
1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"
1 Thessalonians 3:5
For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.
1 Timothy 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"
Thanks
That is not what I asked
This is
is it possible for the "Elect" to not be saved?
Why won't you answer the question asked?
Here are the possible answers for you
Yes . is it possible for the "Elect" to not be saved
No. it is NOT possible the "Elect" will not be saved
Ideas to help kids Restate the Question in the Answer
Ideas and resources for teaching students to Restate the Question in the Answer: PQA, TTQA, RACE acronyms are included.
www.talesfromoutsidetheclassroom.com
You complained to me you want an honest conversation : then step up and answer the question asked.
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I would offer
Other than Christ's labor of love that work in us with us . . No
Two is the one witness God has spoke. Used throughout the bible . . The witness or finger of God who hewn out two tablets writen on both sides .No room for oral traditons of dying mankind. Moving Moses to smash them when seeing the oral tradition of dying men .The second time he had Moses hewn out the two tablets then again with his finger re-wrote
Two books of comparison. One with all the creatures (all of mankind) And another with the elected alone . Names will be erased. Both books "perfect match" The two become one .The Father and the Son displaying the powerful love of the Father. Raising believers to new born again level of life
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 20:12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Scripture answered for meThat is not what I asked
This is
is it possible for the "Elect" to not be saved?
Why won't you answer the question asked?
Here are the possible answers for you
Yes . is it possible for the "Elect" to not be saved
No. it is NOT possible the "Elect" will not be saved
Ideas to help kids Restate the Question in the Answer
Ideas and resources for teaching students to Restate the Question in the Answer: PQA, TTQA, RACE acronyms are included.
You complained to me you want an honest conversation : then step up and answer the question asked.
And im not a kid
As we do not interpret Scripture the same way
Just clearly answer this question:
is it possible for the "Elect" to not be saved?
yes or no?
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you seem stuck
Here is the correct answer.
Q: is it possible for the "Elect" to not be saved?
A: It is impossible for the "Elect" to not be saved
(that is what a direct answer looks like to a direct question)
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Greetings donadams~Every man alive wakes up every morning and makes a free will decision on how they will live their life, but it is based on the nature they have to make that decision. Even godly men make bad decisions when they walk under the power of the old man. Only born again children of God have the power to walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh~all others who are in the flesh and have not the Spirit of God, cannot make spiritual decisions to please God, impossible.
Don, you have none, and neither does any other man have any, when comparing all scriptures and proper sense is applied to them.
Free will, meaning free to please God in the flesh apart from first being quickened to life.
Agreed, and this is true of all men when left to themselves.
Choose to? You are adding to what the verse said. Very briefly consider:
"But as many as received him"~This scripture is declaring a bible truth taught all through the scriptures, do we hear what John is saying, you certainly are not.
"to them gave he power"~Some did receive Christ, and John tells us why they did~ listen carefully.....gave he power to become the sons of God. Don here is why some receive not Christ, while others like Peter, John and James did! The power/right/authority was given to them.
John 1:13 is a commentary on John 1:12 given to us by the Holy Ghost!
John 1:13
“Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, (there goes your false theology) nor of the will of man, but of God.”Enough for now.
When God changes our nature we make different "free will" decisions .
God cannot make a decision that is contrary to His nature: and neither can you.
ex God cannot chose to lie.
The unregenerate cannot chose to follow God:
those regenerated (born-again) cannot chose to abandon God..
There will be no-one born again who will end up in Hell.
Whereas you have agreed that Catholicism allows for the possibility that an infant can be baptized and grow up to be a lifelong atheist; never once in their entire life believing in God
IOW Catholicism allows for the possibility of a born-again, life-long atheist to exist; actually rejecting God for their entire conscious life.
Being born again and never believing in God!!!
I know you think it is true in Catholicism: but do you think that is biblically true?
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