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Predestination?

Does elect there mean to salvation, or a special purpose?
Elect means elected/chosen.


Salvation was only by faith in the promise (Ge 5:5-6, seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16).
Yep, only those (the wheat/believers) that have chosen to keep the faith and not depart from it will be saved when the harvest of the wheat/believers happens at the 2nd coming and the unbelievers/tares will perish.
 
Are we to not pay any attention the OT?
Does not Paul constantly use the OT to prove what is true?
It was Paul that taught one could fall away, depart from the faith, go astray.
Where do you think he got that concept from?

(Isa 45:4) For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Does that alter its usual meaning in the NT?
 
Absolutely, because "elect" does not = salvation.
The people of the nation of Israel were elected by God, and yet some rebelled and fell into worshipping Baal.
Judas was elected by Jesus but rebelled by betraying Him.
So, not all that were elected are saved unless you believe that betrayers and Baal worshippers end up in God's paradise.
Long story short: "elect" does not = salvation.
You are conflating two different uses in Scripture for "Elect", the one being, at best, analogous or symbolic of the other. What is being discussed here is nothing like the members of the elect nation. In that case, just to clarify, the individual members of that nation were rather obviously not all, "elect according to the foreknowledge of God", in the same way as the Redeemed regenerated are. That the apples have worms is unrelated to whether the oranges are rotten or not.
 
Yep, one can be chosen/elected for any number of reasons


(Isa 45:4) For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

If you only see the elect as being elect unto salvation then you have to assume that every Israelite that chose to worship Baal will be in God's paradise, because we know that people of the elect Israel chose to worship Baal and other gods.
I think that @1Thess521 's use of "elect" there, was pretty particularly not the same thing as Old Testament Israel's "God's chosen people".
 
right!!
in the NT : The Elect is used as The Elect unto Salvation
As also elect unto various things that are particular to believers, such as [true] good works, in keeping with their new status with God.
 
Does that alter its usual meaning in the NT?
Why would one need to alter the meaning?
Jesus said He came to fulfil the law and prophets, and the prophets didn't say "elect" meant salvation.
In fact, we see that it didn't mean that because we know that according to the prophets the elect Israel could rebel against God.
 
I think that @1Thess521 's use of "elect" there, was pretty particularly not the same thing as Old Testament Israel's "God's chosen people".
No kidding.
The question is "Why would it not be the same since Jesus said He came to fulfil the law and prophets, and the prophets didn't say "elect" meant salvation.?".
 
You are conflating two different uses in Scripture for "Elect", the one being, at best, analogous or symbolic of the other. What is being discussed here is nothing like the members of the elect nation. In that case, just to clarify, the individual members of that nation were rather obviously not all, "elect according to the foreknowledge of God", in the same way as the Redeemed regenerated are. That the apples have worms is unrelated to whether the oranges are rotten or not.
Then show me any scripture that say "elect unto salvation" or that "elect means salvation".
 
Then show me any scripture that say "elect unto salvation" or that "elect means salvation".
To God’s elect,....who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:
- Peter
 
is it possible that God's Elect unto salvation will not be saved?
Not even nearly. And the self-determinist's notion that Reformed Theology teaches that the Elect's salvation, or, in particular, the Perseverance of the Saints, is "automatic" ("---so why should the believer try to do anything..."), is so full of mistaken [supposed] principles as to suggest a basic misunderstanding of the ways of God and of his power. Their notion is superstitious, in my assessment, with a superstitious take of how God does what he does. They, like the NT fickle Jews, think in terms of sudden great intervention of what would otherwise be natural, ignoring that the Creator is the God of the natural, and that the natural is of his design. (See, I put all that in parenthesis so I can't be accused of departing from the OP).)

The fact of the Elect's eventual salvation is entirely secure; the fact of whether or not one is of the elect is not guaranteed anyone who does not obey.

But the fact that the Elect will ALL be saved is not only stated outright and specifically in Scripture, but it is as logical as the fact that only God is omnipotent. If God sets out to do something, we can be entirely sure that he will accomplish it, no matter what other thoughts we may want to throw at it.
 
Then show me any scripture that say "elect unto salvation" or that "elect means salvation".
Why? If there is none of that particular wording does it mean it is not there? I should think you know better than that.
 
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